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Post by skipc on Jan 16, 2017 21:17:39 GMT -5
I'd even venture to say it'll only take one close win against a not so good team where Siena held a lead most of the game to only barely win it in the end for those comments to reappear. I would agree with many of the harshest posters that things could be fixed/better; it's just that I don't let those things get (me down or) in the way of cheering the team on or my general Siena fandom. I'm more like Dory in "Finding Nemo" except instead of "just keep swimming" I "just keep cheering". m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hkn-LSh7esWith all due respect, I wish you would at least try and see that many of us don't lump all of Siena Basketball into one small crystal jar placed on our mantles and highlighted with bright lights- the Program has many facets and pieces. I have stated repeatedly that all of us support (i.e., root for, cheer for, attend as many games as possible) the team, i.e., the players. We are one with you on that. Many of us have issues with the HC - the issues are his and a win, even at the Sweet Sixteen level isn't going to change them just due to that achievement. I think John D'Argenio has done a great job with the Athletic Department as a whole throughout his career - he has grown it while living within the guidelines afforded him, i.e., academic standards, budgets, facilities, etc. The hire of our current HC was driven largely by those higher in rank than John. I like the staff - they have to be amazing people to tolerate the issues this HC portrays on a regular basis - they have to walk a fine line between doing what their boss says and keeping the kids in the fold, that can't be easy. I am sure none of them enjoy being publicly berated while sitting on the bench at home or on the road. I couldn't work for that man but many can...so be it. I still am a fan, want the team to win, am disappointed when they don't and furious when the loss is REALLY on him as HC. I think you will agree I was cheering as loudly and as honestly as you yesterday right from the start. I believe your wrong- it was John’s decision to not convene a search committee for the new coach and I believe that he would/should take ownership of his decision even if it was supported/endorsed by his boss. I like John and respect the difficult job that he has. Don’t know many teams that would/should fire their coach after a Sweet Sixteen win.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 5:30:51 GMT -5
With all due respect, I wish you would at least try and see that many of us don't lump all of Siena Basketball into one small crystal jar placed on our mantles and highlighted with bright lights- the Program has many facets and pieces. I have stated repeatedly that all of us support (i.e., root for, cheer for, attend as many games as possible) the team, i.e., the players. We are one with you on that. Many of us have issues with the HC - the issues are his and a win, even at the Sweet Sixteen level isn't going to change them just due to that achievement. I think John D'Argenio has done a great job with the Athletic Department as a whole throughout his career - he has grown it while living within the guidelines afforded him, i.e., academic standards, budgets, facilities, etc. The hire of our current HC was driven largely by those higher in rank than John. I like the staff - they have to be amazing people to tolerate the issues this HC portrays on a regular basis - they have to walk a fine line between doing what their boss says and keeping the kids in the fold, that can't be easy. I am sure none of them enjoy being publicly berated while sitting on the bench at home or on the road. I couldn't work for that man but many can...so be it. I still am a fan, want the team to win, am disappointed when they don't and furious when the loss is REALLY on him as HC. I think you will agree I was cheering as loudly and as honestly as you yesterday right from the start. I believe your wrong- it was John’s decision to not convene a search committee for the new coach and I believe that he would/should take ownership of his decision even if it was supported/endorsed by his boss. I like John and respect the difficult job that he has. Don’t know many teams that would/should fire their coach after a Sweet Sixteen win. I believe you're wrong, so I guess we should just agree to disagree. I was told John's boss (no longer at Siena) was pulling the strings re this hire. We will likely never know the full story unless one or the other of them write an autobiography re their years at Siena. I never said a team should fire JP should he win a Sweet Sixteen game, I said the issues many of us have would not be mitigated simply due to such a win.
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Post by glen on Jan 17, 2017 7:28:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure who has the most culpability re: coaching hires. In many cases it is the AD but that may not be the case at Siena...or it may, who knows. All I know is that we've had a really bad coach and now a mediocre coach. Someone in our athletic dept. really needs to call up the folks at Xavier and find out what the heck their process is. They've had as much turnover as Siena but have consistently hired outstanding coaches. They're doing something right.
If Jimmy gets the team to the sweet 16 then he's earned another year. The odds of that happening given that we would be entering as a 15- or 16-seed are super slim. At this point Jimmy has squandered this season. If he runs the table I think the record would be 23-11. That's not bad but he blew every opportunity to boost the RPI. There's legit difference of opinion as to what the goals of the program are but IMO just getting to the dance isn't it.
I also think there's a reason some get so down on the coach and I believe the reason is the fear that without a major uprising from the fans, the admins will take the easy way out and just keep extending the coach. That may or may not be true but I would bet the most vociferous among us (fans) all fear the administration will say, "he isn't doing great but the fans aren't screaming so..."
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Post by skipc on Jan 17, 2017 10:32:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure who has the most culpability re: coaching hires. In many cases it is the AD but that may not be the case at Siena...or it may, who knows. All I know is that we've had a really bad coach and now a mediocre coach. Someone in our athletic dept. really needs to call up the folks at Xavier and find out what the heck their process is. They've had as much turnover as Siena but have consistently hired outstanding coaches. They're doing something right. If Jimmy gets the team to the sweet 16 then he's earned another year. The odds of that happening given that we would be entering as a 15- or 16-seed are super slim. At this point Jimmy has squandered this season. If he runs the table I think the record would be 23-11. That's not bad but he blew every opportunity to boost the RPI. There's legit difference of opinion as to what the goals of the program are but IMO just getting to the dance isn't it. I also think there's a reason some get so down on the coach and I believe the reason is the fear that without a major uprising from the fans, the admins will take the easy way out and just keep extending the coach. That may or may not be true but I would bet the most vociferous among us (fans) all fear the administration will say, "he isn't doing great but the fans aren't screaming so..." Agree with many of your points. Difficult to compare Xavier to Siena as Xavier is a ultimate destination job for an up and coming coach vs. Siena which is a stepping stone job for the same person. Our last two hires have been "in the system" for many years so I'm not sure if Siena didn't want to go the route of hiring an up and comer and knowing that, if they were successful, would have to replace in a few years or felt that the candidates they selected were the best available. Obviously that hasn't played out. I've always been of the opinion that a current assistant coach, with strong recruiting ties/skills with a successful program, is the way to go. I know that there is risk but the rewards could be much better than what we've seen the last 7 years. Even if the coach moves on, we have a strong chance of keeping his recruits for the full four years. As for expectations beyond making the dance and possibly winning a game- that scenario would be enhanced by taking the program to a stronger league which would require a huge amount of financial support from the alumni which does not exist at this point. IMO, Siena is struggling to breakeven and isn't in a position to throw more money at athletics at this juncture.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 17, 2017 10:55:11 GMT -5
I'd even venture to say it'll only take one close win against a not so good team where Siena held a lead most of the game to only barely win it in the end for those comments to reappear. I would agree with many of the harshest posters that things could be fixed/better; it's just that I don't let those things get (me down or) in the way of cheering the team on or my general Siena fandom. I'm more like Dory in "Finding Nemo" except instead of "just keep swimming" I "just keep cheering". m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hkn-LSh7esWith all due respect, I wish you would at least try and see that many of us don't lump all of Siena Basketball into one small crystal jar placed on our mantles and highlighted with bright lights- the Program has many facets and pieces. I have stated repeatedly that all of us support (i.e., root for, cheer for, attend as many games as possible) the team, i.e., the players. We are one with you on that. Many of us have issues with the HC - the issues are his and a win, even at the Sweet Sixteen level isn't going to change them just due to that achievement. I think John D'Argenio has done a great job with the Athletic Department as a whole throughout his career - he has grown it while living within the guidelines afforded him, i.e., academic standards, budgets, facilities, etc. The hire of our current HC was driven largely by those higher in rank than John. I like the staff - they have to be amazing people to tolerate the issues this HC portrays on a regular basis - they have to walk a fine line between doing what their boss says and keeping the kids in the fold, that can't be easy. I am sure none of them enjoy being publicly berated while sitting on the bench at home or on the road. I couldn't work for that man but many can...so be it. I still am a fan, want the team to win, am disappointed when they don't and furious when the loss is REALLY on him as HC. I think you will agree I was cheering as loudly and as honestly as you yesterday right from the start. Sorry MP, wasn't referring to you. There's other harsher critics who've given up and no longer support the team (by not going to games, cancelling their season tickets, stopped donating, appears to know exact cause(s) of the coach's deficiencies but won't help correct). Now I'll get hate mail from them. I agree with many of the harsh posters when it comes to Jimmy could coach/recruit better but my only point I will continue to stand by is; I won't change my support (in the stands or financial) simply because Siena is my favorite team and I support my favorite team. You're that way too (meaning you still attend games and support in other ways too). Some fans express the criteria they use in order to determine if they'll attend games, donate, cheer the team on, etc.. I'm not bound by any of that, and that's obviously the reason why I can (and choose to) continue supporting my favorite team in spite of everything that's happening or has happened over the past 6-7 years PS: I'm glad to hear that maybe John's not to blame. I too am one of the few on this board that believe he's done a good job (over his entire career at Siena). Now maybe some of the harsher posters that blame John might understand his hands were tied.
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