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Post by gorvy on Apr 1, 2015 17:36:24 GMT -5
JO, by all accounts, is the type of person Siena wants to represent the College. He has overcome a personal tragedy and has clearly made significant strides as a player. He is a "homegrown" connection for the program. Also, I believe that JP said that JO had the highest GPA on the team. If as MP has suggested, the fact is that he just did not want to play for Jimmy any more, I have even more serious reservations about the direction of the program than I already had (JP was not my first choice, Toole was). While Jimmy has said a lot of the right things since the season ended, the fact of the matter is that his conduct, whether viewed during practices, games or in the post-game pressers, has left much to be desired. While I like Jimmy on a personal level, there needs to be a turnaround not only in terms of wins and losses but also in terms of his performance as the most public face of the College before I can endorse his continuing as coach beyond next year. I completely agree but this is a tall order. His demeanor and the defeatist antics (IE the Davidson stunt and sitting in the stands boil down to a defeatist act) are the reasons why I never wanted him here. I was told that his players all loved playing for him, and he wouldn't pull stunts at Siena. The first part is obviously not true, the second part isn't true either considering he has turned us into Loyola north and thinks the program is no different than UAlbany. I believe that it is only a matter of time before an incident goes viral; we already know the refs sure don't enjoy his act. As much as people are sick of me doubting Jimmy, I am sick of the apologists picking apart all of our players' faults, whether they are still playing for us or not. Good coaches win, and bad coaches have a lot of excuses. Nothing has happened so far that leads me to believe that year three will be any different than years one and two.
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Post by Tony on Apr 1, 2015 18:01:12 GMT -5
JO, by all accounts, is the type of person Siena wants to represent the College. He has overcome a personal tragedy and has clearly made significant strides as a player. He is a "homegrown" connection for the program. Also, I believe that JP said that JO had the highest GPA on the team. If as MP has suggested, the fact is that he just did not want to play for Jimmy any more, I have even more serious reservations about the direction of the program than I already had (JP was not my first choice, Toole was). While Jimmy has said a lot of the right things since the season ended, the fact of the matter is that his conduct, whether viewed during practices, games or in the post-game pressers, has left much to be desired. While I like Jimmy on a personal level, there needs to be a turnaround not only in terms of wins and losses but also in terms of his performance as the most public face of the College before I can endorse his continuing as coach beyond next year. I completely agree but this is a tall order. His demeanor and the defeatist antics (IE the Davidson stunt and sitting in the stands boil down to a defeatist act) are the reasons why I never wanted him here. I was told that his players all loved playing for him, and he wouldn't pull stunts at Siena. The first part is obviously not true, the second part isn't true either considering he has turned us into Loyola north and thinks the program is no different than UAlbany. I believe that it is only a matter of time before an incident goes viral; we already know the refs sure don't enjoy his act. As much as people are sick of me doubting Jimmy, I am sick of the apologists picking apart all of our players' faults, whether they are still playing for us or not. Good coaches win, and bad coaches have a lot of excuses. Nothing has happened so far that leads me to believe that year three will be any different than years one and two. Unfortunately I agree ..I keep waiting for Jimmy to prove me wrong, and so far he has been consistent in his Loyola North approach ( which basically makes him 500 Jimmy,mediocre Jimmy etc) So far he hasn't raised his game one iota. I am willing to give him next year- I'm not holding my breath , I am hoping for best but have very little confidence we see any changes in Jimmy's coaching, demeanor, recruiting scheduling
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Post by MTS on Apr 1, 2015 18:03:12 GMT -5
At the risk of being a Jimmy apologist how many games was he suppose to win in year one? He had a winning conference record. He was left with Rob Poole and not much else. This year fire away he didn't do a good job. Next year is the hit or miss year.
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Post by tcbaseball on Apr 1, 2015 18:05:08 GMT -5
shes been awfully quiet, not her "m.o." something is going on and there are other rumblings but usually where there is smoke there is fire. Guess i should have continued to read farther down to where PPC posted....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 18:08:56 GMT -5
At the risk of being a Jimmy apologist how many games was he suppose to win in year one? He had a winning conference record. He was left with Rob Poole and not much else. This year fire away he didn't do a good job. Next year is the hit or miss year. Jimmy lover!!! Hey that sounds dirty.
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 1, 2015 18:41:07 GMT -5
At the risk of being a Jimmy apologist how many games was he suppose to win in year one? He had a winning conference record. He was left with Rob Poole and not much else. This year fire away he didn't do a good job. Next year is the hit or miss year. Uh... Should we dig back and point out how people insisted they had plenty of talent to compete...including yourself? Athleticism / defense is being addressed but then ... defections
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Post by sg97 on Apr 1, 2015 20:17:26 GMT -5
shes been awfully quiet, not her "m.o." something is going on and there are other rumblings but usually where there is smoke there is fire. We better not lose anyone else (especially anymore starters). Because the Jimmy "watch" is going to start. I've been optimistic and remain so but I'm quickly losing patience. Bad coaches have a high turnover rate (see Lanier and Mitch) good coaches usually do not. mike i just go by the smell test. lanier and mitch smelled like turds by the second year and they turned out to be turds. im not ready to call jimmy a turd yet but he has definitely sharted. unfortunately I see an incredibly mediocre team next year. its been said on here previously and the posters nailed it, hes dave magarity 2.0.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 1, 2015 20:29:29 GMT -5
We better not lose anyone else (especially anymore starters). Because the Jimmy "watch" is going to start. I've been optimistic and remain so but I'm quickly losing patience. Bad coaches have a high turnover rate (see Lanier and Mitch) good coaches usually do not. mike i just go by the smell test. lanier and mitch smelled like turds by the second year and they turned out to be turds. im not ready to call jimmy a turd yet but he has definitely sharted. unfortunately I see an incredibly mediocre team next year. its been said on here previously and the posters nailed it, hes dave magarity 2.0. Lanier won 21 games and 2 of the programs 4 wins, all time, against the Big East. They went to the 3rd round of the NIT. The scored 75 points a game which made them the 65th highest scoring team in the country.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 1, 2015 20:30:42 GMT -5
At the risk of being a Jimmy apologist how many games was he suppose to win in year one? He had a winning conference record. He was left with Rob Poole and not much else. This year fire away he didn't do a good job. Next year is the hit or miss year. Uh... Should we dig back and point out how people insisted they had plenty of talent to compete...including yourself? Athleticism / defense is being addressed but then ... defections So, the guy that was all over the place saying that the team was full of d2 talent and freshman now holds it against Patsos that they did not win more?
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Post by hockeyguy on Apr 1, 2015 20:32:59 GMT -5
For everyone's careful consideration. Projected starters for the season just completed...
Silas Bisping Poole Long Wright
We all get that Silas and Bisping were lost for the season.
Poole got hurt during the season to the extent that he will need surgery and was "game to game" most of the second half and maybe even worse at the very end. Jimmy should not have yelled at his ankle so loud.
Long, missed several games mid-year and may or may not have ever been fully recovered, the margin of error is slim at the D1 level and being "off just a little" can be huge. He probably would have been 100% if Jimmy didn't hook him a couple times when he couldn't make the move to stop his man without fouling.
And then there is Wright, all he had to do was be a superhero 38 minutes a game, game in and game out, as a sophmore. He might have done better if he could have played all 40 minutes.
Maybe I an too much from the "I like Jimmy" club, but he is anything but a "defeatist", he is a competitor. Yes, he gets angry, and frustrated, and exasperated, but that is not the mark of a defeatist, who hangs their head and endures their beating. Contrary to what some other posters have said, it has been widely reported that at least some of the players would walk through a wall for him, both here and at Loyola.
I make no claim to know anything about the guys who left other than the ovious. JO was not Jimmy's recruit, may never have been, had JP been here 2 years earlier, just don't know. Cole appears to have been an obvious mistake. Wolfe, other than a sky-high flyer just seemed (the little bit we saw him) to just be a kid who wasn't yet built for the level of the game and may turn out to be a stud somewhere, you just never know, but he saw JO and he saw WB and he could figure out where he was on the depth chart. White? a total mystery to me, but clearly he too is looking for greener pastures. If this is "explaining away" the past season and the defections, so be it. I am keeping the faith in JP. (besides, I want him to go halves, maybe a third, on stakes grade horse with me).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 21:02:21 GMT -5
John Dunne has to fill 6 more scholarships in the late period. It was 7.
Siena's problems, not so bad.
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Post by sg97 on Apr 1, 2015 21:16:20 GMT -5
mike i just go by the smell test. lanier and mitch smelled like turds by the second year and they turned out to be turds. im not ready to call jimmy a turd yet but he has definitely sharted. unfortunately I see an incredibly mediocre team next year. its been said on here previously and the posters nailed it, hes dave magarity 2.0. Lanier won 21 games and 2 of the programs 4 wins, all time, against the Big East. They went to the 3rd round of the NIT. The scored 75 points a game which made them the 65th highest scoring team in the country. i forgot about that nit run,so it was year 1 then when the team went rogue on him during the maac tournament? year 2 was just give to the haddix black hole offense. then he recruited 27 guards the next year. irregardless he was a turd.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 1, 2015 21:48:53 GMT -5
Lanier won 21 games and 2 of the programs 4 wins, all time, against the Big East. They went to the 3rd round of the NIT. The scored 75 points a game which made them the 65th highest scoring team in the country. i forgot about that nit run,so it was year 1 then when the team went rogue on him during the maac tournament? year 2 was just give to the haddix black hole offense. then he recruited 27 guards the next year. irregardless he was a turd. No, that was Prosper's senior year when he, haddix and Mitchell all scored more than 13 points per game. Plus, they had Antoine Jordan, Justin Miller, Austin Andrews in key roles. That was a fun team to follow. The Lanier "rogue" year was 1) his first and 2) an urban legend. The light went on for Prosper late that season and it was his play at the point in the MAAC tournament that led that team to their run. (Setting up Archbold to have the most prolific scoring maac tourney ever) His final year sucked but prior to that Lanier's run was mediocre at worst.
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Post by th24 on Apr 2, 2015 6:08:11 GMT -5
I still cant wrap by head around why JO is leaving - especially when this kid is starting! And I'm kinda pissed when Siena bent over backwards for this kid both on and off the court!
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 2, 2015 6:49:53 GMT -5
I still cant wrap by head around why JO is leaving - especially when this kid is starting! And I'm kinda pissed when Siena bent over backwards for this kid both on and off the court! I have to think Siena and the Siena community do a lot for most players on and off the court. BTW-,with Garrett gone who is making sure certain players get go class?
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