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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 3, 2015 11:58:15 GMT -5
Excellent post. The return of Brett and Imoh will help Lavon more than anyone. He needs to play with size and not be the size. His fouls are big man fouls and he is doubled in the post with no room to work. He has more success with the ball in his hands creating for himself and his teammates He will continue to work on weaknesses. I think that the development of Brandwijk is huge for next season. This allows the team to stay big with Bisping or Imoh out if they choose to do so and not be forced to go smaller. For me that is an important option to have, especially if you are playing an opponent where size matters more (I'll let you guys take it from here...) like a quality OOC team. Another great post. We are limited in our options with the major injuries. Patsos is not able to dictate the lineups now. We are too thin inside so now we play small by necessity rather than choice
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 3, 2015 12:06:20 GMT -5
The top 20 foulers in the country are mostly PFs and centers. There is one other guard on the list with Lavon. I don't know about that player but Lavon gets his big man fouls. Brett averaged 4.2 fouls per game before he went down this season. And with Imoh already gone Lavon and JO pick up the fouls inside. JO has had 4 fouls in the last couple games and has almost the same amount of fouls Lavon has in 4 more games. Fouls are called inside a lot in MM basketball I think Lavon is an equal opportunity fouler guards, bigs, out of position, reaching, fouls 70' from the basket etc... if there's away to foul and a position to foul he's done it ... to say his fouls are big man fouls is just ridiculous and an over simplification of a much bigger issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 12:10:42 GMT -5
The top 20 foulers in the country are mostly PFs and centers. There is one other guard on the list with Lavon. I don't know about that player but Lavon gets his big man fouls. Brett averaged 4.2 fouls per game before he went down this season. And with Imoh already gone Lavon and JO pick up the fouls inside. JO has had 4 fouls in the last couple games and has almost the same amount of fouls Lavon has in 4 more games. Fouls are called inside a lot in MM basketball That was for a limited 6 game sample. Last year, he was around 3.4. Bisping plays PF and Center, and will continue to do so. Playing SF and fouling that much is a completely different story altogether. So, let's put it up to a vote: If Lavon is a full time small forward next year, who here thinks his fouls per game will be cut in half to coincide with the typical SFs of the world who average say 2 to 2.5 fouls per game?
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Post by gosaints on Mar 3, 2015 12:12:28 GMT -5
We've seen Long get into beast mode and has the potential to carry the team. This year has been disappointing, but with a better team around him it should open him up more. Remember he has some range on his shot and gives the team some different options at SF with his ability to play inside or outside the paint. Yes, the foul situation is at a point where it is almost intolerable. I hope the off-season and the additions to next year's team help with that. I don't think Siena is going to have a better SF than Long the next couple of years, but they do need someone to jump in and be able to play some quality minutes if the foul situation does not improve. Excellent post. The return of Brett and Imoh will help Lavon more than anyone. He needs to play with size and not be the size. His fouls are big man fouls and he is doubled in the post with no room to work. He has more success with the ball in his hands creating for himself and his teammates He will continue to work on weaknesses. Please stop with the "big man fouls". Lavon commits at least two dumb fouls a game, which if he didn't would mean he would be around for the end of more games and be more of a contributor. What I've seen this year is that typically at least one of these fouls are the result of frustration and the other is because he is trying to do to much. Hopefully when Bret and Imoh return next year this won't e the case.
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Post by JK on Mar 3, 2015 12:21:11 GMT -5
The top 20 foulers in the country are mostly PFs and centers. There is one other guard on the list with Lavon. I don't know about that player but Lavon gets his big man fouls. Brett averaged 4.2 fouls per game before he went down this season. And with Imoh already gone Lavon and JO pick up the fouls inside. JO has had 4 fouls in the last couple games and has almost the same amount of fouls Lavon has in 4 more games. Fouls are called inside a lot in MM basketball That was for a limited 6 game sample. Last year, he was around 3.4. Bisping plays PF and Center, and will continue to do so. Playing SF and fouling that much is a completely different story altogether. So, let's put it up to a vote: If Lavon is a full time small forward next year, who here thinks his fouls per game will be cut in half to coincide with the typical SFs of the world who average say 2 to 2.5 fouls per game? I see Long's foul issue less of a position thing than a development thing. Pushing Long into the role of playing PF would naturally increase his number of fouls just by position alone, but not by a whole lot. Strictly playing SF does not greatly reduce the number of fouls he will have in a game either. He would (my opinion of course) naturally have fewer fouls at the SF position, but I think he still would be much above the average for fouls in that positions well. It's an area he needs to work on. He has a lot of good to give, but needs to be on the floor to do it.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 3, 2015 12:28:14 GMT -5
The top 20 foulers in the country are mostly PFs and centers. There is one other guard on the list with Lavon. I don't know about that player but Lavon gets his big man fouls. Brett averaged 4.2 fouls per game before he went down this season. And with Imoh already gone Lavon and JO pick up the fouls inside. JO has had 4 fouls in the last couple games and has almost the same amount of fouls Lavon has in 4 more games. Fouls are called inside a lot in MM basketball I think Lavon is an equal opportunity fouler guards, bigs, out of position, reaching, fouls 70' from the basket etc... if there's away to foul and a position to foul he's done it ... to say his fouls are big man fouls is just ridiculous and an over simplification of a much bigger issue. PFs and Centers foul the most #Facts Lavon starts at the 3 but with the injuries he actually defends PFs and centers more than SFs and guards. That is a fact. Bisping averaged 4.2 fouls per game and fouled out of 4 of his 6 games I believe....while Lavon did not foul out in those games playing more perimeter D than inside.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 3, 2015 12:30:20 GMT -5
The top 20 foulers in the country are mostly PFs and centers. There is one other guard on the list with Lavon. I don't know about that player but Lavon gets his big man fouls. Brett averaged 4.2 fouls per game before he went down this season. And with Imoh already gone Lavon and JO pick up the fouls inside. JO has had 4 fouls in the last couple games and has almost the same amount of fouls Lavon has in 4 more games. Fouls are called inside a lot in MM basketball That was for a limited 6 game sample. Last year, he was around 3.4. Bisping plays PF and Center, and will continue to do so. Playing SF and fouling that much is a completely different story altogether. So, let's put it up to a vote: If Lavon is a full time small forward next year, who here thinks his fouls per game will be cut in half to coincide with the typical SFs of the world who average say 2 to 2.5 fouls per game? You will see when our size comes back Lavon will be more comfortable playing his natural position and that will help him not foul as much.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 3, 2015 12:34:11 GMT -5
That was for a limited 6 game sample. Last year, he was around 3.4. Bisping plays PF and Center, and will continue to do so. Playing SF and fouling that much is a completely different story altogether. So, let's put it up to a vote: If Lavon is a full time small forward next year, who here thinks his fouls per game will be cut in half to coincide with the typical SFs of the world who average say 2 to 2.5 fouls per game? I see Long's foul issue less of a position thing than a development thing. Pushing Long into the role of playing PF would naturally increase his number of fouls just by position alone, but not by a whole lot. Strictly playing SF does not greatly reduce the number of fouls he will have in a game either. He would (my opinion of course) naturally have fewer fouls at the SF position, but I think he still would be much above the average for fouls in that positions well. It's an area he needs to work on. He has a lot of good to give, but needs to be on the floor to do it. Another good post. I agree its not just the position he plays but his tendencies and aggression that get him into trouble. Defending PFs will give you more fouls than defending SFs and guards normally
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 3, 2015 12:36:09 GMT -5
I think Lavon is an equal opportunity fouler guards, bigs, out of position, reaching, fouls 70' from the basket etc... if there's away to foul and a position to foul he's done it ... to say his fouls are big man fouls is just ridiculous and an over simplification of a much bigger issue. PFs and Centers foul the most #Facts Lavon starts at the 3 but with the injuries he actually defends PFs and centers more than SFs and guards. That is a fact. Bisping averaged 4.2 fouls per game and fouled out of 4 of his 6 games I believe....while Lavon did not foul out in those games playing more perimeter D than inside. Folks from Bmore posted 2 years ago that Lavon was foul prone and you vehemently denied it ... Based solely on what I've watched the past 2 seasons I think it's an issue he's been dealing with his entire career. He's the leading fouler in the county and as a Soph is breaking fouling records. How can you keep making silly excuses. Bisping career foul avg 2.5 per game and 3.4 last season. #the numbers don't lie ... FACTS
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 3, 2015 12:39:22 GMT -5
He may be averaging the same numbers as last year right now, but here are Lavon's averages over the last 7 games: MIN FG% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 24.57 0.27 0.73 4.43 1.00 0.57 0.43 4.86 2.29 5.0 Clearly his production is way down at this point, and as Tony mentioned it's obvious that he isn't 100% right now. While I agree that Lavon has to overcome some glaring weaknesses (improve ambidexterity, agility, foul situation), if you're basing his potential solely on the past half-dozen games or so, you're being shortsighted in knowing what he can bring to this team when at 100%. Not shortsighted. In fact, the opposite, -We have a PG who doesn't shoot 3's well. The perimeter shooting has to come from somewhere. He needs to shoot and score more...not less. -Also, can we afford turnovers and needless fouls out of the SF position? Many teams are playing guys who don't foul, shoot threes, and take care of the ball at that position. If he can't defend the position much better than say a Ryan Oliver anyway, why give up the turnovers and fouls on top of it and compound the issues? Look at a guy like Jamal Reynolds of Canisius. Plays 24 mins, averages 6 & 6 and takes care of the ball (2 to 1 assist ratio)...yet doesn't foul (53 in more mins while Lavon has 104). So he doesn't turn it over, rebounds more, and fouls way less. By the numbers, he beats Lavon in team contribution. And he's just 6-4. I think people are falling too much for the Lavon hype and not realizing that most MAAC teams have better overall options playing the SF right now. You CAN'T disregard the monumental impact of Lavon's fouls on the game. He's committing 2x as many fouls as your typical MAAC small forward. This has nothing to do with injury either as he set a record of 148 when he was healthy. Lavon Long has scoring talent but he is putting this team at a disadvantage in most other facets of the game. He should no longer be trusted with a blank check. KK - dropping some hard facts. Lavon seems like a great kid, his mom is a passionate supporter of his and from time to time provides good info on the board. B U T no player is bigger than the team, the program, the school or the alums, donors and sponsors who deserve nothing but the best from the head coach even if it requires some difficult decisions, changes, etc....
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Post by billmurray on Mar 3, 2015 13:07:54 GMT -5
It has been noted that the point guard position lacks consistent three point shooting range, yet no one seems to suggest that Wright work on that aspect of his game. He has shown the ability to hit the shot and I'm sure he will be working in the off season to become more consistent in that aspect of his game. If he can improve to .400 that would open things up significantly and improve the team immensely. It is obvious, but everyone on the team needs to work on their game. JO and WB need to get stronger and be more of a force on the boards, White and Paige need to improve offensively, Oliver needs to improve his dribble drive and mid range game. Their is not one player that can afford to sit still. The team and the staff have a lot of off season work to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 13:13:48 GMT -5
It has been noted that the point guard position lacks consistent three point shooting range, yet no one seems to suggest that Wright work on that aspect of his game. He has shown the ability to hit the shot and I'm sure he will be working in the off season to become more consistent in that aspect of his game. If he can improve to .400 that would open things up significantly and improve the team immensely. It is obvious, but everyone on the team needs to work on their game. JO and WB need to get stronger and be more of a force on the boards, White and Paige need to improve offensively, Oliver needs to improve his dribble drive and mid range game. Their is not one player that can afford to sit still. The team and the staff have a lot of off season work to do. Wright was a 29% shooter over 271 attempts in highschool. It was the only thing he was never able to improve on throughout. I think most people don't bring it up in almost the same way they don't tell Anosike to shoot more threes. Sometimes you just call it like it is.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 3, 2015 13:24:19 GMT -5
It has been noted that the point guard position lacks consistent three point shooting range, yet no one seems to suggest that Wright work on that aspect of his game. He has shown the ability to hit the shot and I'm sure he will be working in the off season to become more consistent in that aspect of his game. If he can improve to .400 that would open things up significantly and improve the team immensely. It is obvious, but everyone on the team needs to work on their game. JO and WB need to get stronger and be more of a force on the boards, White and Paige need to improve offensively, Oliver needs to improve his dribble drive and mid range game. Their is not one player that can afford to sit still. The team and the staff have a lot of off season work to do. Don't need him to be, see Ronald Moore. Need assists and low turnovers. Any scoring is a bonus.
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Post by musicman on Mar 3, 2015 13:25:13 GMT -5
It has been noted that the point guard position lacks consistent three point shooting range, yet no one seems to suggest that Wright work on that aspect of his game. He has shown the ability to hit the shot and I'm sure he will be working in the off season to become more consistent in that aspect of his game. If he can improve to .400 that would open things up significantly and improve the team immensely. It is obvious, but everyone on the team needs to work on their game. JO and WB need to get stronger and be more of a force on the boards, White and Paige need to improve offensively, Oliver needs to improve his dribble drive and mid range game. Their is not one player that can afford to sit still. The team and the staff have a lot of off season work to do. Well said Bill.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 3, 2015 13:47:47 GMT -5
Wright is never going to be a 40-% guy and Oliver is not a slasher shot creator, white offensively forget about it. Be realistic and play to players strengths not weekneases that's what a good coach will do.......
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