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Post by knicksaint on Jan 29, 2015 20:41:28 GMT -5
De la Rosa signed before Ronald had played one minute of college ball. Have to think he would not have come to Siena if he had signed late.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 29, 2015 20:53:11 GMT -5
I agree Knicksaint but coaches usualky skip a year when recruiting a position
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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 21:35:34 GMT -5
No need to feed into her she just wants attention. I don't hate Siena or any other program. I"m not Siena fan or Marist/Qpac/Fairfield etc. I'm fan of the kids I coached and want to see all them do well, so I follow them and there prespectives Conferences. As mentor and Coach I take pride in learning every Conf and as many programs as possible. Siena fans are diehards and I respect that , and will continue to give you guys any insight about the kids/prospects I know. Too bad some don't approve. Lol No you want attention and that's why you are here....to start trouble...not a Siena fan nor MAAC supporter. You said all you cared about was Hearst not Qpac nor the MAAC.... You talk bad about Siena and Patsos because he doesn't want anymore of your players If you are a fan of the players from MAS why don't you talk about Doug Chappell that sits on FF bench the past 2 years. Have you visited their board at all? How about Mount Saint Mary's where Glover sits.. Another member of that 2013 MAS team...I don't see any post on him nor the NEC from you. Truth is you come here to cause trouble because you have said yourself you don't like PPC We are debating Bball and talking about MAAC Bball and Isaiah Lamb. Everything your saying is hot air. Tony- please move this elsewhere it has nothing to do with this thread. Thanks!
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Post by saintsandeagles on Jan 29, 2015 21:38:34 GMT -5
I don't get how you can say Fran got lucky because he recruited great players. By that logic there are no bad coaches, only unlucky recruiters.
It's one of the coach's main jobs to be able to recognize talent, intangibles, fit within the system, etc. Fran was and still is exceptional at this (not to mention coaching the players well enough for them to reach their potential).
A coach would be doing a terrible job recruiting if he chose his targets based on what other schools have interest in them.The number and quality of offers can be an indicator of the quality of recruits, but it's far from a perfect one. There are too many high school basketball players for coaches to watch all of them, so kids can easily fly under the radar if they don't play for a great high school team, or if his coaches don't have good connections with college coaches.
Looking at offers can be a useful shortcut, but many of you rely on it too much. I'm sure no one will complain if Jimmy recruits all MAAC level talent even if they have no other offers. It seems to me he's doing this. In his first class Jimmy likely brought in 2.5 eventual all MAAC players in Long, Wright, and JO (who is only half his recruit). In his second class, I certainly wouldn't be surprised if either WB or JP were among the top 10-20 players in the league by the time they are seniors. Regardless of their offers Jimmy is bringing in players with lots of potential. If anything he needs to do a better job of helping them get better and to play well as a team.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 29, 2015 22:27:10 GMT -5
One more time and we will get our 3peat
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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 23:29:25 GMT -5
MTS - we need a poll. Does anyone on THIS board give a shit about any of the above? Slim is a valuable source of info for us re kids we are interested in and his views or comments on other kids he's placed or helped get placed are not germane to our needs so why anyone would question why he isn't talking about THEM is beyond me. Why is this crap being allowed? He has not helped anyone lol Its all a front to come here and cause trouble. Slim is not even a bmore guy. He is in the DMV but closer to DC... Most of the players from his neighborhood org go mid to low major if not prep. . Now back to the thread. Marist is getting a good one in Isaiah Lamb from Baltimore, MD!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 29, 2015 23:38:23 GMT -5
He has not helped anyone lol Its all a front to come here and cause trouble. Slim is not even a bmore guy. He is in the DMV but closer to DC... Most of the players from his neighborhood org go mid to low major if not prep. . Now back to the thread. Marist is getting a good one in Isaiah Lamb from Baltimore, MD! Who's Isaiah Lamb?? lol
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Post by yankee on Jan 29, 2015 23:50:10 GMT -5
He has not helped anyone lol Its all a front to come here and cause trouble. Slim is not even a bmore guy. He is in the DMV but closer to DC... Most of the players from his neighborhood org go mid to low major if not prep. . Now back to the thread. Marist is getting a good one in Isaiah Lamb from Baltimore, MD! IYO, do you think Marist would be better off redshirting him next year or is his an injury he could be ready by start of next season?
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Post by slim on Jan 29, 2015 23:55:34 GMT -5
. Now back to the thread. Marist is getting a good one in Isaiah Lamb from Baltimore, MD! IYO, do you think Marist would be better off redshirting him next year or is his an injury he could be ready by start of next season? Prob too early to tell right now. Will depend on his rehab. I believe his rehab will go well being though he's been threw it before and knows what to expect. Missing all summer and most of the preseason Red shirting could make the most sense long term.
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Post by yankee on Jan 30, 2015 0:08:17 GMT -5
Yeah, would be nice to get him going right away, but I could see him sitting a year and getting experience with the college life and the team could be extremely beneficial. Hart for example had to sit a year out and had a great freshman year.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 30, 2015 8:39:36 GMT -5
Franklin had an offer from Lasalle and late interest from VCU (although VCU wasn't the VCU that we know today) Moore had little interest and mostly because he weighed about 140 lbs coming out of highschool. Ubiles was considering between Seton Hall Rhode Island and UMass. again.... seeing as you are struggling with grasping my point.... nearly every kid we seem to recruit right now falls in the panning for an unearthed gem category. Whereas you see above that Fran was recruiting up, as did Lanier before him. Yes... every now and then they would take a gamble on a kid... but for the most part battled with good programs for good kids Nobody mentioned Ubiles, I mentioned Hasbrouck. Ubiles was one of those "unique" guys well worth recruiting even though he was better than us. He lived close by, played for the City Rocks, spent alot of time up here because of that. Made it clear he wanted to get out of Po'town but not too far. Great get, and well worth the time. the other three were gifts. *I don't remember Alex having any other scholarships. LaSalle may have recruited him, but we got him for the same resons we got the other stars. They had warts. Alex's was being a 6'5" PF. How'd Marquis work out? We didn't beat out any "good schools" for him did we? Lavon falls into your criteria (A-10 interest), and so does Wolfe. Lavon wasnt going to any A10 team unless he was going to sit/play the 4. This was the only coach who was going to let him be a "guard". His four official visits were Loyola, Kennesaw State, Wagner and Rider. That list should say it all. Wright was the Maryland POY, a tad undersized for the big time D1, he signed early with Loyola before he blew up his senior year. After getting his release from Loyola, he had interest from Fairfield, Quinnipiac, Hofstra and Tulane, a step up from Loyola, Keensaw State, Wagner and Rider. Wright is that MAAC+ kind of recruit i talked about. Patsos I believe was DAMN lucky to have grabbed him as early as he did before he blew up his senior year. Its funny that Lavon took an official to Rider because he has always reminded me of guys like Gadson etc that are big men who really want to be guards. Rider always seems to have them on their roster. Ive never gotten the full skinny on Hasbrouck as to who else was looking at him. Kid came here and started every game of his career... almost as if he was told that would happen from day 1. of course the kid was that damn good from the get-go. I still believe there is more to that signing that we dont know about. Fran has openly said he hasnt been more excited about a signing ever. Strangely enough the kid goes on to get a shot at the NBA. Was that luck by Fran? the fact he knew how big/important that signing was before Hasbrouck even played a game?? Regarding Franklin... I saw him in a couple practices BEFORE he even played a game and he was destroying the current Siena bigs... Haddix included. I really wanted to see him get a ton of playing time and felt he should really be stealing Haddix's time. Not to mention he was MUCH more of a team player. Whereas Mike was the proverbial black hole with the ball. Cementing my observations of Alex was the kickoff to that season @stanford. Fran recruited for his system and to win the MAAC... and character/leadership were all things he felt were important. It was no accident/luck he wound up with guys that fit that role. He and his staff went and LOOKED for those guys. Had Fran stayed Basabe wouldve stayed as well. Bryon Allen wouldve committed as soon as Fran said he was staying. I do not doubt that Basabe was making sure that if Fran moved up, that he would take Basabe with him. I really havent felt that Patsos has been recruiting to his system/win the maac. There are guys in roles, in this system, that i would not have in those roles and frankly feel its a detriment to the team. Some guys were here when he got here and we already knew had talent limitations. I continue to give Patsos time to recruit his own roster ... but make no mistake... i havent been happy with many of the targets thus far. and to PPC... patsos has never won the MAAC. It can be said that after 10 years in the league (11 this year?) that he may not know what it takes, despite all of his HM MM experience you reference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 8:46:08 GMT -5
Put up the steel umbrellas folks, it's going to start raining posts any time now!
Re the Basabe move - I was told that was a clear understanding when he signed - if Fran left, he wouldn't be coming to Siena. Wish I knew that back then, but that's another story.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 30, 2015 9:12:46 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned Ubiles, I mentioned Hasbrouck. Ubiles was one of those "unique" guys well worth recruiting even though he was better than us. He lived close by, played for the City Rocks, spent alot of time up here because of that. Made it clear he wanted to get out of Po'town but not too far. Great get, and well worth the time. the other three were gifts. *I don't remember Alex having any other scholarships. LaSalle may have recruited him, but we got him for the same resons we got the other stars. They had warts. Alex's was being a 6'5" PF. How'd Marquis work out? We didn't beat out any "good schools" for him did we? Lavon falls into your criteria (A-10 interest), and so does Wolfe. Lavon wasnt going to any A10 team unless he was going to sit/play the 4. This was the only coach who was going to let him be a "guard". His four official visits were Loyola, Kennesaw State, Wagner and Rider. That list should say it all. Wright was the Maryland POY, a tad undersized for the big time D1, he signed early with Loyola before he blew up his senior year. After getting his release from Loyola, he had interest from Fairfield, Quinnipiac, Hofstra and Tulane, a step up from Loyola, Keensaw State, Wagner and Rider. Wright is that MAAC+ kind of recruit i talked about. Patsos I believe was DAMN lucky to have grabbed him as early as he did before he blew up his senior year. Its funny that Lavon took an official to Rider because he has always reminded me of guys like Gadson etc that are big men who really want to be guards. Rider always seems to have them on their roster. Ive never gotten the full skinny on Hasbrouck as to who else was looking at him. Kid came here and started every game of his career... almost as if he was told that would happen from day 1. of course the kid was that damn good from the get-go. I still believe there is more to that signing that we dont know about. Fran has openly said he hasnt been more excited about a signing ever. Strangely enough the kid goes on to get a shot at the NBA. Was that luck by Fran? the fact he knew how big/important that signing was before Hasbrouck even played a game?? Regarding Franklin... I saw him in a couple practices BEFORE he even played a game and he was destroying the current Siena bigs... Haddix included. I really wanted to see him get a ton of playing time and felt he should really be stealing Haddix's time. Not to mention he was MUCH more of a team player. Whereas Mike was the proverbial black hole with the ball. Cementing my observations of Alex was the kickoff to that season @stanford. Fran recruited for his system and to win the MAAC... and character/leadership were all things he felt were important. It was no accident/luck he wound up with guys that fit that role. He and his staff went and LOOKED for those guys. Had Fran stayed Basabe wouldve stayed as well. Bryon Allen wouldve committed as soon as Fran said he was staying. I do not doubt that Basabe was making sure that if Fran moved up, that he would take Basabe with him. I really havent felt that Patsos has been recruiting to his system/win the maac. There are guys in roles, in this system, that i would not have in those roles and frankly feel its a detriment to the team. Some guys were here when he got here and we already knew had talent limitations. I continue to give Patsos time to recruit his own roster ... but make no mistake... i havent been happy with many of the targets thus far. and to PPC... patsos has never won the MAAC. It can be said that after 10 years in the league (11 this year?) that he may not know what it takes, despite all of his HM MM experience you reference. I think JP is hitting .500 each year, including this one, so far in his recruiting, and he needs to do better. There better be 2 impact kids coming in, or it could be a tough year scoring the ball in '15-'16.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 30, 2015 12:34:20 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned Ubiles, I mentioned Hasbrouck. Ubiles was one of those "unique" guys well worth recruiting even though he was better than us. He lived close by, played for the City Rocks, spent alot of time up here because of that. Made it clear he wanted to get out of Po'town but not too far. Great get, and well worth the time. the other three were gifts. *I don't remember Alex having any other scholarships. LaSalle may have recruited him, but we got him for the same resons we got the other stars. They had warts. Alex's was being a 6'5" PF. How'd Marquis work out? We didn't beat out any "good schools" for him did we? Lavon falls into your criteria (A-10 interest), and so does Wolfe. Lavon wasnt going to any A10 team unless he was going to sit/play the 4. This was the only coach who was going to let him be a "guard". His four official visits were Loyola, Kennesaw State, Wagner and Rider. That list should say it all. Wright was the Maryland POY, a tad undersized for the big time D1, he signed early with Loyola before he blew up his senior year. After getting his release from Loyola, he had interest from Fairfield, Quinnipiac, Hofstra and Tulane, a step up from Loyola, Keensaw State, Wagner and Rider. Wright is that MAAC+ kind of recruit i talked about. Patsos I believe was DAMN lucky to have grabbed him as early as he did before he blew up his senior year. Its funny that Lavon took an official to Rider because he has always reminded me of guys like Gadson etc that are big men who really want to be guards. Rider always seems to have them on their roster. Ive never gotten the full skinny on Hasbrouck as to who else was looking at him. Kid came here and started every game of his career... almost as if he was told that would happen from day 1. of course the kid was that damn good from the get-go. I still believe there is more to that signing that we dont know about. Fran has openly said he hasnt been more excited about a signing ever. Strangely enough the kid goes on to get a shot at the NBA. Was that luck by Fran? the fact he knew how big/important that signing was before Hasbrouck even played a game?? Regarding Franklin... I saw him in a couple practices BEFORE he even played a game and he was destroying the current Siena bigs... Haddix included. I really wanted to see him get a ton of playing time and felt he should really be stealing Haddix's time. Not to mention he was MUCH more of a team player. Whereas Mike was the proverbial black hole with the ball. Cementing my observations of Alex was the kickoff to that season @stanford. Fran recruited for his system and to win the MAAC... and character/leadership were all things he felt were important. It was no accident/luck he wound up with guys that fit that role. He and his staff went and LOOKED for those guys. Had Fran stayed Basabe wouldve stayed as well. Bryon Allen wouldve committed as soon as Fran said he was staying. I do not doubt that Basabe was making sure that if Fran moved up, that he would take Basabe with him. I really havent felt that Patsos has been recruiting to his system/win the maac. There are guys in roles, in this system, that i would not have in those roles and frankly feel its a detriment to the team. Some guys were here when he got here and we already knew had talent limitations. I continue to give Patsos time to recruit his own roster ... but make no mistake... i havent been happy with many of the targets thus far. and to PPC... patsos has never won the MAAC. It can be said that after 10 years in the league (11 this year?) that he may not know what it takes, despite all of his HM MM experience you reference. Yup! Spot on on all accounts.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 30, 2015 16:09:16 GMT -5
Nobody mentioned Ubiles, I mentioned Hasbrouck. Ubiles was one of those "unique" guys well worth recruiting even though he was better than us. He lived close by, played for the City Rocks, spent alot of time up here because of that. Made it clear he wanted to get out of Po'town but not too far. Great get, and well worth the time. the other three were gifts. *I don't remember Alex having any other scholarships. LaSalle may have recruited him, but we got him for the same resons we got the other stars. They had warts. Alex's was being a 6'5" PF. How'd Marquis work out? We didn't beat out any "good schools" for him did we? Lavon falls into your criteria (A-10 interest), and so does Wolfe. Lavon wasnt going to any A10 team unless he was going to sit/play the 4. This was the only coach who was going to let him be a "guard". His four official visits were Loyola, Kennesaw State, Wagner and Rider. That list should say it all. Wright was the Maryland POY, a tad undersized for the big time D1, he signed early with Loyola before he blew up his senior year. After getting his release from Loyola, he had interest from Fairfield, Quinnipiac, Hofstra and Tulane, a step up from Loyola, Keensaw State, Wagner and Rider. Wright is that MAAC+ kind of recruit i talked about. Patsos I believe was DAMN lucky to have grabbed him as early as he did before he blew up his senior year. Its funny that Lavon took an official to Rider because he has always reminded me of guys like Gadson etc that are big men who really want to be guards. Rider always seems to have them on their roster. Ive never gotten the full skinny on Hasbrouck as to who else was looking at him. Kid came here and started every game of his career... almost as if he was told that would happen from day 1. of course the kid was that damn good from the get-go. I still believe there is more to that signing that we dont know about. Fran has openly said he hasnt been more excited about a signing ever. Strangely enough the kid goes on to get a shot at the NBA. Was that luck by Fran? the fact he knew how big/important that signing was before Hasbrouck even played a game?? Regarding Franklin... I saw him in a couple practices BEFORE he even played a game and he was destroying the current Siena bigs... Haddix included. I really wanted to see him get a ton of playing time and felt he should really be stealing Haddix's time. Not to mention he was MUCH more of a team player. Whereas Mike was the proverbial black hole with the ball. Cementing my observations of Alex was the kickoff to that season @stanford. Fran recruited for his system and to win the MAAC... and character/leadership were all things he felt were important. It was no accident/luck he wound up with guys that fit that role. He and his staff went and LOOKED for those guys. Had Fran stayed Basabe wouldve stayed as well. Bryon Allen wouldve committed as soon as Fran said he was staying. I do not doubt that Basabe was making sure that if Fran moved up, that he would take Basabe with him. I really havent felt that Patsos has been recruiting to his system/win the maac. There are guys in roles, in this system, that i would not have in those roles and frankly feel its a detriment to the team. Some guys were here when he got here and we already knew had talent limitations. I continue to give Patsos time to recruit his own roster ... but make no mistake... i havent been happy with many of the targets thus far. and to PPC... patsos has never won the MAAC. It can be said that after 10 years in the league (11 this year?) that he may not know what it takes, despite all of his HM MM experience you reference. Patsos won the MAAC tournament and went to the NCAAs....that's what I want and he has proven he can do it As for Lavon's college options he had 20 and 3 were A10 schools. He also signed before he blew up senior year. He took visits to the schools that loved him after Jr year. Had he waited till after his senior year where he played everywhere and led his team in every category he prob would be in the big Ten.
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