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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 28, 2014 8:05:19 GMT -5
Agreed taking a 25 pt beat down is not helpful. I doubt any DI team is 25 pts better than our jrs and sr led team
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Post by greenblood on Nov 28, 2014 8:28:59 GMT -5
On the flip side, Fran's dream teams went through some beat downs that made them into the Championship Team that they became. I believe scheduling up makes these kids aware of the kind of bodies they need to strive for to dominate the competition (MAAC) and have a chance at success if they are fortunate enough to punch their tickets to the dance. The $$$ doesn't hurt either.
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 28, 2014 8:53:45 GMT -5
Agreed taking a 25 pt beat down is not helpful. I doubt any DI team is 25 pts better than our jrs and sr led team Memphis crushed s during the Fran years. There are multiple teams that could put the beat down on
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Post by CellarRat on Nov 28, 2014 8:59:43 GMT -5
Agreed taking a 25 pt beat down is not helpful. I doubt any DI team is 25 pts better than our jrs and sr led team Forget about bcs schools, I'm worried about Iona giving us a beat down.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 28, 2014 9:18:56 GMT -5
Three things: 1. Happy thanksgiving to all 2. I'm fine with the 2 year Loyola series as I feel a coach who leaves for a better job should always give his old school a gift of at least a 1-1 series. Thanks Fran..... 3. I agree with Tony that the scheduling has to improve. I'm happy that the Loyola series is when our guys will be younger. When this series ends I would like to see Loyola replaced with Mason, GW or even Richmond. Even better I would like to see us schedule perennial bottom of the barrel big east teams like a seton hall (I know Willard has some good recruits going there now). I'm not sure our program should be taking a guarantee game with GT or MD. I don't know how taking a 25 point beat on their court in front of recruits helps us. I agree. I don't mind the two yr Loyola scheduling and agree that I'd prefer to see Jimmy scheduling better games going forward. He's really only had one full yr of scheduling since most of last yrs OOC I thought were already in place by Mitch. Regarding guaranteed games. I like them in a limited basis because they provide the money for those summer trips plus provide valuable experience against up competition. The only "beat downs" I can remember (without looking it up) is the Memphis game & Syracuse game from like 25 yrs ago (the 140 something to 90 something) game. Fran went to MD New Years day (2nd yr) and up until the last 3 mins of the game were hanging with them (4 freshmen & a Beers with playing time). We almost beat KS at KS (down 4 with 2 mins to go - that after digging ourselves into a 25-3 early hole). Pitt, OKS, and TN didn't even provide a beat down in FL. We were in all those games w/o One of our centers McGee. Erik Harris had to play some time in FL. So I don't mind some guaranteed games, we tend not to get blown out. May lose by 15 but be in the game until the end. That's not a beat down. A beat down is what happened to us at Memphis and Rider last night. That being said I'd also prefer the Home & Home series with up teams.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Nov 28, 2014 11:14:56 GMT -5
Three things: 1. Happy thanksgiving to all 2. I'm fine with the 2 year Loyola series as I feel a coach who leaves for a better job should always give his old school a gift of at least a 1-1 series. Thanks Fran..... 3. I agree with Tony that the scheduling has to improve. I'm happy that the Loyola series is when our guys will be younger. When this series ends I would like to see Loyola replaced with Mason, GW or even Richmond. Even better I would like to see us schedule perennial bottom of the barrel big east teams like a seton hall (I know Willard has some good recruits going there now). I'm not sure our program should be taking a guarantee game with GT or MD. I don't know how taking a 25 point beat on their court in front of recruits helps us. I agree. I don't mind the two yr Loyola scheduling and agree that I'd prefer to see Jimmy scheduling better games going forward. He's really only had one full yr of scheduling since most of last yrs OOC I thought were already in place by Mitch. Regarding guaranteed games. I like them in a limited basis because they provide the money for those summer trips plus provide valuable experience against up competition. The only "beat downs" I can remember (without looking it up) is the Memphis game & Syracuse game from like 25 yrs ago (the 140 smoothing 90 something) game. Gram went to MD New Years day (2nd yr) and up until the last 3 mins of the game were hanging with them (4 freshmen & a Beers with playing time). We almost beat KS at KS (down 4 with 2 mins to go - that after digging ourselves into a 25-3 early hole). Pitt, OKS, and TN didn't even provide a beat down in FL. We were in all those games w/o One of our centers McGee. Erik Harris had to play some time in FL. So I don't mind some guaranteed games, we tend not to get blown out. May lose by 15 but be in the game until the end. That's not a beat down. A beat down is what happened to us at Memphis and Rider last night. That being said I'd also prefer the Home & Home series with up teams. Good post. Siena has shown over the years to be competitive rather than someones punching bag. I like the Home and Home up games as well. Wouldn't it be nice to have GT or MD return a visit? Syracuse was already asked
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Post by hooligan on Nov 28, 2014 14:56:19 GMT -5
I agree. I don't mind the two yr Loyola scheduling and agree that I'd prefer to see Jimmy scheduling better games going forward. He's really only had one full yr of scheduling since most of last yrs OOC I thought were already in place by Mitch. Regarding guaranteed games. I like them in a limited basis because they provide the money for those summer trips plus provide valuable experience against up competition. The only "beat downs" I can remember (without looking it up) is the Memphis game & Syracuse game from like 25 yrs ago (the 140 smoothing 90 something) game. Gram went to MD New Years day (2nd yr) and up until the last 3 mins of the game were hanging with them (4 freshmen & a Beers with playing time). We almost beat KS at KS (down 4 with 2 mins to go - that after digging ourselves into a 25-3 early hole). Pitt, OKS, and TN didn't even provide a beat down in FL. We were in all those games w/o One of our centers McGee. Erik Harris had to play some time in FL. So I don't mind some guaranteed games, we tend not to get blown out. May lose by 15 but be in the game until the end. That's not a beat down. A beat down is what happened to us at Memphis and Rider last night. That being said I'd also prefer the Home & Home series with up teams. Good post. Siena has shown over the years to be competitive rather than someones punching bag. I like the Home and Home up games as well. Wouldn't it be nice to have GT or MD return a visit? Syracuse was already asked The problem ppc is that when you get established as a solid mid major many big teams don't want to schedule you because they have nothing to gain from it. If the BCS school thrashes the MM school then people say it is expected. If the MM wins its almost an embarrassment. So why schedule a solid MM program when you can take a lower end one. It can get tough the better you become as a MM
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Post by MTS on Nov 28, 2014 15:00:29 GMT -5
Agreed taking a 25 pt beat down is not helpful. I doubt any DI team is 25 pts better than our jrs and sr led team Forget about bcs schools, I'm worried about Iona giving us a beat down. Don't read into too much the other night... Iona is good but they aren't as good as they were last year. They aren't going to shoot the ball like that all year. If they do we'll tip our caps to them and move on but I doubt it. Delaware St is not a very good team. Their win at Wake Forest was impressive (bad ACC team or not to win on the road is very good). But they were life and death with Cleveland St (who was missed their starting PG) at home and were hammered at a decent but not great Wofford team. The MAAC will be a dog fight this year... Iona might win the conference but it will be very competitive.
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Post by Papi on Nov 28, 2014 22:43:29 GMT -5
Good post. Siena has shown over the years to be competitive rather than someones punching bag. I like the Home and Home up games as well. Wouldn't it be nice to have GT or MD return a visit? Syracuse was already asked The problem ppc is that when you get established as a solid mid major many big teams don't want to schedule you because they have nothing to gain from it. If the BCS school thrashes the MM school then people say it is expected. If the MM wins its almost an embarrassment. So why schedule a solid MM program when you can take a lower end one. It can get tough the better you become as a MM If you're a good team you're a good team period. It doesn't matter where or what conference you're in. Those days have past. That's just a lame excuse when mids play shit schedules and don't have any guarantee games.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 29, 2014 8:51:14 GMT -5
The problem ppc is that when you get established as a solid mid major many big teams don't want to schedule you because they have nothing to gain from it. If the BCS school thrashes the MM school then people say it is expected. If the MM wins its almost an embarrassment. So why schedule a solid MM program when you can take a lower end one. It can get tough the better you become as a MM If you're a good team you're a good team period. It doesn't matter where or what conference you're in. Those days have past. That's just a lame excuse when mids play shit schedules and don't have any guarantee games. False. It is still very hard to get a game against against a Major team when your team is "up". If the major sees you are doing well and are going to be veteran laden... most majors will avoid even guarantee games where they can stack the deck. Being a syracuse fan... I understand why you can't see nor understand it
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Post by Tony on Nov 29, 2014 8:56:56 GMT -5
Some of the better, deeper pocket BCS team actually like playing better mids in guarantee games, it helps their RPI more than playing a crappy mid. - Ohio state and Kansas come to mind, they will pay a mid with a good team upwards of 100K for guarantee games.. the lower level BCS teams usually shy away from senior laden or good mids
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Post by Papi on Nov 29, 2014 9:48:56 GMT -5
If you're a good team you're a good team period. It doesn't matter where or what conference you're in. Those days have past. That's just a lame excuse when mids play shit schedules and don't have any guarantee games. False. It is still very hard to get a game against against a Major team when your team is "up". If the major sees you are doing well and are going to be veteran laden... most majors will avoid even guarantee games where they can stack the deck. Being a syracuse fan... I understand why you can't see nor understand it False back at you. With the expansion of the big conferences, the bottom feeders in the ACC and others are far worse than a decent mid. Scheduling a good mid will be done a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 10:10:35 GMT -5
Just look at Wake Forest, they lost at home last night to Delaware St. Who IJC beat by 50 earlier in the week. Schedule some decent MAC or CAA teams and stay away from the Patriot/AE/NEC.
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