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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 4:36:29 GMT -5
I would agree that JO starting at the 5 is the most likely scenario. You could make a case for Brandwijk starting but he is still a frosh. I think Imoh's minutes will go way down. Patrick Cole will play starters minutes but come off the bench as the 6th man. Wright, Poole, Long, Bisping and JO as your starting 5 with Cole, White, Oliver and Brandwijk rounding out your top 9 in the rotation that's pretty good. And where does JP fit in? JP is in the top 10. This team will be able to throw quite a few different looks at the opposition.
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Post by Papi on Aug 26, 2014 6:43:48 GMT -5
What about Hymes? He will see plenty of time. If you want points he's the guy.
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Post by SaintsFan on Aug 26, 2014 9:23:18 GMT -5
What about Hymes? He will see plenty of time. If you want points he's the guy. for both sides
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 9:48:36 GMT -5
The key to the frontcourt battle is which offensive guy (WB/Wolfe) plays good defense, or which defensive guy (Silas, JO) improves their offense.
People want to write off Silas and assume he'll never play but for all of his offensive struggles...he is still one of the elite rebounders and shot blockers in the league. JO did not rebound well at all last year and he couldn't make a basket. He just turns the ball over less.
If I had to chose between the 2 in order to shore up the defense, I pick Silas all day. And just 2 years ago he had a 60% FG%.
Now if Brandwijk or Wolfe can defend inside at least as well as JO, you start them all day.
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Post by $cott on Aug 26, 2014 10:57:49 GMT -5
The key to the frontcourt battle is which offensive guy (WB/Wolfe) plays good defense, or which defensive guy (Silas, JO) improves their offense. People want to write off Silas and assume he'll never play but for all of his offensive struggles...he is still one of the elite rebounders and shot blockers in the league. JO did not rebound well at all last year and he couldn't make a basket. He just turns the ball over less. If I had to chose between the 2 in order to shore up the defense, I pick Silas all day. And just 2 years ago he had a 60% FG%. Now if Brandwijk or Wolfe can defend inside at least as well as JO, you start them all day. I actually wouldn't be shocked if Imoh starts and then only averages 8 to 10 minutes a game. Who actually starts is really not that big of a deal and you can usually tell within about two minutes if it is going to be a good game or a bad one for Silas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 12:38:56 GMT -5
The key to the frontcourt battle is which offensive guy (WB/Wolfe) plays good defense, or which defensive guy (Silas, JO) improves their offense. People want to write off Silas and assume he'll never play but for all of his offensive struggles...he is still one of the elite rebounders and shot blockers in the league. JO did not rebound well at all last year and he couldn't make a basket. He just turns the ball over less. If I had to chose between the 2 in order to shore up the defense, I pick Silas all day. And just 2 years ago he had a 60% FG%. Now if Brandwijk or Wolfe can defend inside at least as well as JO, you start them all day. I actually wouldn't be shocked if Imoh starts and then only averages 8 to 10 minutes a game. Who actually starts is really not that big of a deal and you can usually tell within about two minutes if it is going to be a good game or a bad one for Silas. Imoh averaged under 17 mpg last year and had over 60 blocks. He doesn't need to play a ton of minutes to make his presence felt. Give him his 15 minutes and he'll block his 2 shots and get you 5 or 6 boards. Nothing wrong with that at all. Still, JO has more time left so you don't want to piss him off either. There will be players people want to see or are used to seeing who will be sitting the bench this year. The math just doesn't work out. I think you have to pick either Silas or JO. Can't play both with this team makeup unless it's like 7 mins a piece. Not if Lavon or Paige play any PF ..ever. And one of the scholarship guards isn't going to play at all especially if Lavon plays the three. After Wright and Poole...there's only scraps if we go big. Our guards are good rebounders, I'd rather play small a lot ...but we still need the interior defense to come from somewhere. Jimmy has a lot of guys to keep happy and he's probably going to fail at it.
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Post by $cott on Aug 26, 2014 12:55:25 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't be shocked if Imoh starts and then only averages 8 to 10 minutes a game. Who actually starts is really not that big of a deal and you can usually tell within about two minutes if it is going to be a good game or a bad one for Silas. Imoh averaged under 17 mpg last year and had over 60 blocks. He doesn't need to play a ton of minutes to make his presence felt. Give him his 15 minutes and he'll block his 2 shots and get you 5 or 6 boards. Nothing wrong with that at all. Still, JO has more time left so you don't want to piss him off either. There will be players people want to see or are used to seeing who will be sitting the bench this year. The math just doesn't work out. I think you have to pick either Silas or JO. Can't play both with this team makeup unless it's like 7 mins a piece. Not if Lavon or Paige play any PF ..ever. And one of the scholarship guards isn't going to play at all especially if Lavon plays the three. After Wright and Poole...there's only scraps if we go big. Our guards are good rebounders, I'd rather play small a lot ...but we still need the interior defense to come from somewhere. Jimmy has a lot of guys to keep happy and he's probably going to fail at it. That is a big part of the reason I think Silas and Hymes wind up the odd men out. At least with Silas he can throw him a bone and let him start even if his minutes are limited. Hymes can ride the bench until the days the offense isn't flowing and then you send him in there to try and spark them.
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Post by Tony on Aug 26, 2014 15:42:07 GMT -5
Silas has to stop turning ball over either with walks or his silly illegal screens ( that he seems to get every game) But I agree Silas will get some time. Unless he starts chucking it-- expect Hymes to get 5 to 8 min a game backing up Wright ( unless Cole can effectively do it) Cole and White have looked very..very good over summer... White is shooting better is taller and stronger and heavier than last year. Brandwijk looked good the few weeks he was here.. JO looks improved Paige and Gottfried are not quite ready yet IMHO.. besides Other than "special" Defenses I dont see Jimmy playing a 6'4" power forward when we have Bisping,Brandwijk and Long all that can play and defend that position
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Post by CellarRat on Aug 26, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -5
Silas has to stop turning ball over either with walks or his silly illegal screens ( that he gets every game) But I agree Silas will get some time. Unless he starts chucking it-- expect Hymes to get 5 to 8 min a game backing up Wright ( unless Cole can effectively do it) Cole and White have looked very..very good over summer... White is shooting better is taller and stronger and heavier than last year. Brandwijk looked good the few weeks he was here.. JO looks improved Paige and Gottfried are not quite ready yet IMHO.. besides Other than "special" Defenses I dont see Jimmy playing a 6'4" power forward when we have Bisping,Brandwijk and Long all that can play and defend that position Glad to hear white is getting bigger and stronger. He's my bet for most improved by end of this coming season.
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Post by MTS on Aug 26, 2014 20:49:36 GMT -5
Imoh averaged under 17 mpg last year and had over 60 blocks. He doesn't need to play a ton of minutes to make his presence felt. Give him his 15 minutes and he'll block his 2 shots and get you 5 or 6 boards. Nothing wrong with that at all. Still, JO has more time left so you don't want to piss him off either. There will be players people want to see or are used to seeing who will be sitting the bench this year. The math just doesn't work out. I think you have to pick either Silas or JO. Can't play both with this team makeup unless it's like 7 mins a piece. Not if Lavon or Paige play any PF ..ever. And one of the scholarship guards isn't going to play at all especially if Lavon plays the three. After Wright and Poole...there's only scraps if we go big. Our guards are good rebounders, I'd rather play small a lot ...but we still need the interior defense to come from somewhere. Jimmy has a lot of guys to keep happy and he's probably going to fail at it. That is a big part of the reason I think Silas and Hymes wind up the odd men out. At least with Silas he can throw him a bone and let him start even if his minutes are limited. Hymes can ride the bench until the days the offense isn't flowing and then you send him in there to try and spark them. I agree with this. Hymes didn't make my top 9 but it doesn't mean he won't contribute. He will spell Wright for a few minutes and if the team is struggling he is a good relief pitcher to bring out of the bullpen. Sometimes nothing is going in the basket...and Hymes is the type of player who could come off the bench and give the offense a jolt. He certainly will see spot duty his senior season.
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Post by Papi on Aug 27, 2014 0:07:27 GMT -5
I guarantee Hymes plays more than 5 to 8 minutes. He will be good for 8 to 10 points a game you can't keep one of your scoring options on the bench and JP knows that.
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Post by SaintsFan on Aug 27, 2014 6:47:23 GMT -5
I guarantee Hymes plays more than 5 to 8 minutes. He will be good for 8 to 10 points a game you can't keep one of your scoring options on the bench and JP knows that. going to come down to three things. The same three things since he arrived at Siena. - how well is he shooting - how often is he turning the ball over - can he guard his man I agree with Tony on Silas. You cant miss layup after layup plus turn the ball over and expect to see a lot of minutes.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 27, 2014 6:53:53 GMT -5
Silas looked good this summer. Plus he is a senior and won't lie down and give up his spot without a fight
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Post by bigsaintg on Aug 27, 2014 7:18:50 GMT -5
These off season informal practice observations tend to be overblown. When Silas was a freshman he was being touted as possibly the best big man ever at a Siena. - games are what matter
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Post by DelmartianEd on Aug 27, 2014 7:27:23 GMT -5
The other thing to remember when it comes to Silas is that he lost his freshman year eligibility, so his "junior" year campaign last year was really in effect a sophomore season. The results seem more expected of a sophomore than of a junior. This upcoming season will be his third and final year of eligibility. I would expect him to continue to develop.
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