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Post by Tony on Mar 6, 2014 6:41:53 GMT -5
And I should add if Siena ever does make a jump to A10- it won’t be all wine and roses for fans- Siena has all the ingredients to be successful in the A10 – but make no mistake about it- it costs money to successfully compete at that level- you cannot go to A10 and expect to compete with a 2.7 million dollar budget- season ticket prices will go up- might see some sort of seat licensing for better seats in arena. At that level ( or any level in D1 for that matter) commitment = money
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Post by gorvy on Mar 6, 2014 8:11:48 GMT -5
And I should add if Siena ever does make a jump to A10- it won’t be all wine and roses for fans- Siena has all the ingredients to be successful in the A10 – but make no mistake about it- it costs money to successfully compete at that level- you cannot go to A10 and expect to compete with a 2.7 million dollar budget- season ticket prices will go up- might see some sort of seat licensing for better seats in arena. At that level ( or any level in D1 for that matter) commitment = money I agree with this and will add that I am still not sure of Siena's commitment or the level of interest of the A10. I do know one thing though and that is if the fans don't want the A10 then we won't be in the A10. And right now we pay two to three times the ticket prices of other MAAC level teams for the same inferior product. If the admin doesn't think the fans will support a move to the A10 then they won't join, even if asked.
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Post by th24 on Mar 6, 2014 8:18:29 GMT -5
I bet polls would show that an overwhelming number of alumni, students, donors and community partners would support a move to the A10! And if Davidson can can make the move ..so can we! Davidson's move to A-10 can be positive game-changer "It's going to be a challenge, let me tell you," McKillop said. "But one of the exhilarating things has been to see the way our players have rolled their sleeves up. We know we need to elevate the level of talent that we're pursuing. I believe we have a different calling card now than we've had in the past. "We still will certainly highly value those characteristics that have been such an important part of our program: work ethic, toughness, coachability. Now, maybe size, strength and athleticism will be added to that." www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-05-15/davidson-move-to-a-10-steph-curry-bob-mckillop-southern-conference-ncaa
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Post by sienasaint3 on Mar 6, 2014 9:20:25 GMT -5
What is guaranteed? Success in the MAAC- last 3 years showed that isnt true.Nothing in life is guaranteed so your argument holds no water. Some of you people amaze me- what would it take to be successful in the A10-- facilities, budget, fan base media coverage? What makes a good program- what is the ceiling of this program? Is Siena better off in communist MAAC ? IF so why--instead of taking pot shots SS3 explain why it would be a bad move other than your statement Siena couldn't compete- something I disagree with by the way - what does Siena lack that LaSalle- St Joe's George Mason, Davidson Richmond etc have Competent leadership? Taking pot shots? I am agreeing with you here. I never said stay in the MAAC because the MAAC is great, I think that Siena should move to the A-10, but people shouldnt act like if Siena goes to the A-10 that they will automatically become a top tier program. My point is that fans here should focus on winning the MAAC again before they all start talking about the A-10. Siena does seem to have everything that the other programs have but lets not act like having a good arena and having good fans guarantee winning. Because you and everyone here know that having the wrong coach can ruin that, as weve seen for the past 3 years. Realistically, the key to every program in America is the coaching. If you have the right coach the players will come and then the wins will come and the fans will come. Look at Butler with Brad Stevens. Tony, I agree with the majority of what you say because you are realistic, many people here are not realistic. Just from reading on here some people think that Siena is guaranteed to get every recruit and that with Jimmy here Siena will win the MAAC 15 straight years.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 6, 2014 9:26:29 GMT -5
There are any number of ways that the league could protect its one bid champion--- double byes, home sites, denial of lower tier entry--- etc. instead all teams are entered and the lower tier teams even get a day off on a neutral site --- ridiculous. You say it is an unfair advantage--- why because we happen to have the best fans that actually support the program? Fans that pour thousands of dollars into league coffers that help subsidize the rest of the teams? To be clear I don't need the maac to hold it at Siena every year but the current format is uninspired. And yes the current location is a boneheaded move that we all knew would fail miserably. for lower rated leagues and even mid-majors to some degree..................said this many times BEFORE...................BEST way to protect your BEST team, just go ahead and award your regular season championship the automatic bid (like the Ivy), makes your conference stand the best chance to represent themselves....................really, the ONLY reason post season conference tournaments are held across the nation is MONEY, sure they tack on winner gets the auto-bid, but for major conferences it really doesn't matter, most of the solid teams are going to the NCAA tournament anyway, not so much in mid-major or lower rated leagues...........better to prove yourself over the course of 30 games, then getting hot the last 3/4 games in a weekend end of season league tourmanment, IMHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sienasaint3 on Mar 6, 2014 9:31:09 GMT -5
for lower rated leagues and even mid-majors to some degree..................said this many times BEFORE...................BEST way to protect your BEST team, just go ahead and award your regular season championship the automatic bid (like the Ivy), makes your conference stand the best chance to represent themselves....................really, the ONLY reason post season conference tournaments are held across the nation is MONEY, sure they tack on winner gets the auto-bid, but for major conferences it really doesn't matter, most of the solid teams are going to the NCAA tournament anyway, not so much in mid-major or lower rated leagues...........better to prove yourself over the course of 30 games, then getting hot the last 3/4 games in a weekend end of season league tourmanment, IMHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well sure there are plenty of people who agree with this theory but the reason for conference tournaments is money, and March Madness loses some of its luster without conference tournaments leading to auto bids.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Mar 6, 2014 9:31:16 GMT -5
This is an odd debate. I don't think I've ever seen a single person say we would take the A-10 by storm in any way. Some fans simply want the chance.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 6, 2014 9:33:27 GMT -5
and we should make every possible effort to get to the A10...............as much as folks say this is NOT the same league without Temple and company, overall they are 8th rated league (MAAC is currently 15th) with 7 teams under 100 (cha ching)...........what's not to like, and sure transition would be an issue for Siena, but once they get their feet wet and are committed, it would be the best option for their athletic profile............
Rank Atlantic 10 Conf All Index SOS Rk SOS 9 Saint Louis 12-2 24-4 79.30 87 53.86 29 Massachusetts 9-5 22-6 60.43 49 55.79 34 VA Commonwealth 10-4 22-7 55.43 51 55.77 35 St. Joseph's 11-3 21-7 54.40 79 54.37 40 Geo. Washington 9-5 21-7 54.04 92 53.68 48 Dayton 8-6 20-9 52.51 66 54.78 73 Richmond 8-6 18-11 50.01 71 54.57 111 La Salle 6-8 14-14 46.90 24 56.66 113 St. Bonaventure 6-9 16-13 46.70 102 52.82 168 Rhode Island 4-12 12-17 43.28 54 55.44 193 George Mason 4-11 10-18 42.07 18 56.90 199 Duquesne 4-10 12-15 41.71 155 50.40 239 Fordham 2-12 9-18 39.68 85 53.92
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Post by th24 on Mar 6, 2014 9:37:21 GMT -5
It would take time- However, Siena would be recruiting players at a higher level than they are presently! And you would like Siena's chances with a coach like Jimmy or Fran pinned with the T.U. Center!
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Post by sienasaint3 on Mar 6, 2014 9:37:44 GMT -5
This is an odd debate. I don't think I've ever seen a single person say we would take the A-10 by storm in any way. Some fans simply want the chance. I would say it is more implied then explicitly stated, same with some people talking about recruits and the way that they post about the program. Wanting to go to the A-10 is fine, and I wouldn't disagree with the chance to go to the A-10. But the fact that people even brought up the argument of the A-10 with Siena going to the MAAC tournament is my point. The focus should be on winning the MAAC again.
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Post by th24 on Mar 6, 2014 9:39:15 GMT -5
I agree!
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Mar 6, 2014 9:47:25 GMT -5
This is an odd debate. I don't think I've ever seen a single person say we would take the A-10 by storm in any way. Some fans simply want the chance. I would say it is more implied then explicitly stated, same with some people talking about recruits and the way that they post about the program. Wanting to go to the A-10 is fine, and I wouldn't disagree with the chance to go to the A-10. But the fact that people even brought up the argument of the A-10 with Siena going to the MAAC tournament is my point. The focus should be on winning the MAAC again. It's implied? I couldn't disagree more. I wanted the US to make the World Cup this year, does that mean I'm implying that now that they're in it, they're going to be one of the best teams there? People only brought it up right now because the Patsos and Wyland discussed it recently. Besides this one instance, I've seen little conversation on the topic. (And a post with multiple exclamation points isn't what I'd qualify as a "conversation")
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Post by sienasaint3 on Mar 6, 2014 9:48:25 GMT -5
I would say it is more implied then explicitly stated, same with some people talking about recruits and the way that they post about the program. Wanting to go to the A-10 is fine, and I wouldn't disagree with the chance to go to the A-10. But the fact that people even brought up the argument of the A-10 with Siena going to the MAAC tournament is my point. The focus should be on winning the MAAC again. It's implied? I couldn't disagree more. I wanted the US to make the World Cup this year, does that mean I'm implying that now that they'r ein it, they're going to be one of the best teams there? People only brought it up right now because the Patsos and Wyland discussed it recently. Besides this one instance, I've seen little conversation on the topic. (And a post with multiple exclamation points isn't what I'd qualify as a "conversation") I said some posters on here. Does not mean you said it. And no off the top of my head I couldnt quote the exact posts I am talking about. And to put it another way. Why do you think fans of other teams think that Siena fans are a joke on the MAAC hoops board. 1) I would say because they are scared of the success that Siena had in the past and that Patsos has them playing decently in year 1 (although some of them probably dont think Siena has a shot to be good again). The other reason is because of the A-10 talk. It would be like having a Kia and not being able to drive it but then wanting to get a Ferari just because its nicer. I am not saying that I agree with this because as a school Siena should take an opportunity to the A-10 if it were given, but to speculate that it is coming is what is stupid. That was what the whole argument started with. To which I replied lets win the MAAC before we focus on the A-10.
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Post by vi52 on Mar 6, 2014 10:24:26 GMT -5
A 10: AVG STUDENT POP=7000; AVG BASKKETBALL BUDGET=$3.3 mill(RI leads with 4.6); AVG ARENA CAP=7000
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Post by siena95 on Mar 6, 2014 10:58:10 GMT -5
What is Siena's academic profile compared to these schools? above and beyond sports and the upgrades across the board (could the womens team win a game at this point?) how do we match up academically? Siena would be recruiting against schools with the same or better facilities and fan support, so that "advantage" is negated.... and I am guessing they fall to the back of the back academically vs peer schools in the A-10. Things to consider vs just going for basketball.
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