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Post by jamalblack on Nov 30, 2013 12:26:46 GMT -5
How can you have confidence when you keep getting taken out the game every 1 minutes. You got to be allowed to make mistakes to overcome your mistakes.You can not get the rhythm of the game if you keep getting take out the game.
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Post by siena7127 on Nov 30, 2013 12:30:42 GMT -5
A great shooter would be nice (i.e. Scott Knapp) but Fran's great teams really did not have one either unless you want to count Tay who was a senior on the first of the three MAAC championship teams. This schedule is brutal but the good thing is it will prepare us for the conference slate and show us (and most importantly the coaching staff) what we need to get back to being an elite mid-major program nationally. Fran may not have had a great 3 point shooters but Kenny and Edwin had tremendous mid range games, they buried the open shots when given to them. Siena does not need a great shooter just a consistent one that hits when he is left wide open on the rotation.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 30, 2013 12:56:47 GMT -5
How can you have confidence when you keep getting taken out the game every 1 minutes. You got to be allowed to make mistakes to overcome your mistakes.You can not get the rhythm of the game if you keep getting take out the game. I understand your frustration. However, things are very different at this level. In HS, Maurice was likely the best player on the court in many if not most of his games. No way would the coach pull him for a couple of mistakes, and if he missed a point blank shot, he had a great chance to grab the rebound and put it back in. That is no longer the case, especially in these up games where the defense and rebounding inside is so strong. Coach P also has a bench to go to that is not a big drop off in ability; a big difference from HS. He will be fine in the MAAC if he keeps his head up and maintains focus. I expect more games like his UA game in the future. I think most of us love the young man's game and expect big things from him going forward.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Nov 30, 2013 15:02:23 GMT -5
The way Jimmy was using time outs it seemed he was using them as teaching moments ... MAAC play will determine if the strategy to date is working ... By next season I hope players will spend as much time w Hammer in the summer as Rossiter did ... Team needs to beef up ... Would not count on more then one addition plus Cole ... What we are seeing is the core of next's year team ... What we are not seeing is the level of play they are capable of ... Let's not forget that this board was in harmony that this was a rebuilding year ... Anything more is gravy for this year and dessert for next season
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 30, 2013 15:23:14 GMT -5
I sure hope we end up with 2 ships to give because we need to upgrade talent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 15:56:21 GMT -5
The way Jimmy was using time outs it seemed he was using them as teaching moments ... MAAC play will determine if the strategy to date is working ... By next season I hope players will spend as much time w Hammer in the summer as Rossiter did ... Team needs to beef up ... Would not count on more then one addition plus Cole ... What we are seeing is the core of next's year team ... What we are not seeing is the level of play they are capable of ... Let's not forget that this board was in harmony that this was a rebuilding year ... Anything more is gravy for this year and dessert for next season Completely agree on the TO's. Have to be teaching moments - so many fouls get called, coach can be assured of one next trip down to make a sub. Dan Taylor, not Hammer, is the strength and conditioning coach. Hammer is the trainer and, for the most part, there for injury rehab only. How quick those on this board forget the term "rebuilding" - especially given the hype as our new talent got unveiled. We will be fine - just takes time and these up games give us the best shot. These kids don't have fragile psyches so an ass kicking is not likely to push them backwards too much, IMO. Important lesson, beyond the size/athleticism aspect, is focus/concentration for the FULL 40 minutes. Not like HS anymore - a play taken off is one more you have to make just to stay even. The up teams' players play at 100+% almost all of the time.
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Post by billmurray on Nov 30, 2013 15:56:58 GMT -5
71 is right here. This is a rebuilding year, you can't expect freshmen to immediately and consistently play like upperclassmen. I also agree there is always need for a talent upgrade, particularly more depth at PG and consistent outside shooting.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 30, 2013 15:59:36 GMT -5
A great shooter would be nice (i.e. Scott Knapp) but Fran's great teams really did not have one either unless you want to count Tay who was a senior on the first of the three MAAC championship teams. This schedule is brutal but the good thing is it will prepare us for the conference slate and show us (and most importantly the coaching staff) what we need to get back to being an elite mid-major program nationally. This isn't Frans team. Never will be. Not sure you realize how lucky we were to have the caliber of players we had all at once. Ubiles was GREAT. Moore was GREAT. Franklin was GREAT. Kenny was GREAT. All at once. With bench players like, Rossiter, Tay, OD and CJ in that era. There's no "great" on this team yet. A couple of them have a chance at it, but it's a ways away. THIS group of recruits needs a dead eye shooter. It'll help all of them be successful.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 30, 2013 16:01:02 GMT -5
You become limited in skills required at positions. Poole is a catch and shoot 3. That means you need a slashing scorer at preferably two of the other four spots OR a slasher and a very good back to the basket post up player.
Right now the starters are
Pg - distributor. Tentative shooter Sg - open with options of a young slasher with a lot to learn, a spot up shooter unwilling to take open shots, a mediocre talent Sf - catch and shoot shooter Pf - undersized developing tweener C - defensive presence with limited offense
As I look at the above after writing this. .. I believe Wright needs to look for his own shot a little more. Poole and white or Oliver camping out at the 3. Silas playing baseline and long playing some pick n roll with Wright
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 30, 2013 16:12:25 GMT -5
The yo yoing of white now coupled with his not starting has hit his confidence. I really found it unfair that Oliver gets the start and looks off two wide open shots and had two extremely horrible turnovers in all of 3 or 4 mins before getting yanked and white gets yanked the moment he makes one mistake[/quote] I want White in the game, too, but those layups he's missing should be automatic - they are momentum killers and should be made regardless of his confidence level. Oliver is not confident either, but he is not making as many glaring mistakes, so he gets a little more leeway. Maurice is Jimmy's recruit, so he is pretty secure in his position on the team, but he needs to reel in some of the wide open misses. Seriously, why did he slow down to a crawl and then try to dunk that ball? I expect him to get that sorted out and, at the same time, I understand the pressure that Jimmy is trying to put on him to GET that sorted out. As a D1 player, he needs to be able to handle that pressure. He still has the confidence to attack the defense, and he had a nice catch and shoot after running the baseline last night. He just needs to stop missing the bunnies; hopefully that comes soon. Just to be clear, I want him on the floor - but he needs to help himself stay out there![/quote] Who has missed the most layups? White, Bisping, or Silas? The later two have missed far more bunnies. Hell bisping pulls a Haddix and grabs half his rebounds off his own misses and hes heralded for it. A lot of missed layups for this team.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 30, 2013 16:14:47 GMT -5
I agree White makes way too many bonehead plays- he is shooting 27% for the year.. mainly because he has horrible shot selection. I'm all for a kid getting confidence, but I agree with Big Fan-- kid has to earn that time and he hasn't done that- and again I'm another that WANTS White on floor...but kid has to get his head out of his a$$. Until then carry on with way Jimmy has handled it-- all part of the learning process Siena fans. Maurice is too talented not to finally 'get" the message, I'm guessing he gets it sooner rather than later Actually a lot of his misses have sent him to the line for fts
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Post by Gaskan on Nov 30, 2013 17:09:38 GMT -5
I agree White makes way too many bonehead plays- he is shooting 27% for the year.. mainly because he has horrible shot selection. I'm all for a kid getting confidence, but I agree with Big Fan-- kid has to earn that time and he hasn't done that- and again I'm another that WANTS White on floor...but kid has to get his head out of his a$$. Until then carry on with way Jimmy has handled it-- all part of the learning process Siena fans. Maurice is too talented not to finally 'get" the message, I'm guessing he gets it sooner rather than later Actually a lot of his misses have sent him to the line for fts misses aren't counted in the stats when a foul is called. Makes do count on and 1
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Post by Tony on Nov 30, 2013 18:00:30 GMT -5
Who has missed the most layups? White, Bisping, or Silas? The later two have missed far more bunnies. Hell bisping pulls a Haddix and grabs half his rebounds off his own misses and hes heralded for it. A lot of missed layups for this team. Bzzzt Please stop the insanity --I like White, I want him on the floor-- but he HAS to get under control-- way too many whacky out of control shots- I realize its a fine line between aggressive and out of control but Maurice needs to find that line As for who has missed more bunnies-- you must be a radio listener... otherwise you would know Maurice has missed more shots than Bisping has even attempted in fact Bisping ( who is shooting 57%)has 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts than White or how about Silas shooting 55% and who has also made 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts I know you like Maurice as do I but shooting 14-59 ( 27%) isn't going to get it done. Maurice is a freshmen and will improve-- but sorry you dont ignore shooting stats like those.. and you certainly dont try to compare him to leading pct shooters on team I like the idea of starting White-- but as soon as he takes a stupid shot ( not a good shot he misses) he should be pulled
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 30, 2013 18:06:04 GMT -5
Who has missed the most layups? White, Bisping, or Silas? The later two have missed far more bunnies. Hell bisping pulls a Haddix and grabs half his rebounds off his own misses and hes heralded for it. A lot of missed layups for this team. Bzzzt Please stop the insanity --I like White, I want him on the floor-- but he HAS to get under control-- way too many whacky out of control shots- I realize its a fine line between aggressive and out of control but Maurice needs to find that line As for who has missed more bunnies-- you must be a radio listener... otherwise you would know Maurice has missed more shots than Bisping has even attempted in fact Bisping ( who is shooting 57%)has 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts than White or how about Silas shooting 55% and who has also made 7 more field goals in 20 less attempts I know you like Maurice as do I but shooting 14-59 ( 27%) isn't going to get it done. Maurice is a freshmen and will improve-- but sorry you dont ignore shooting stats like those.. and you certainly dont try to compare him to leading pct shooters on team I like the idea of starting White-- but as soon as he takes a stupid shot ( not a good shot he misses) he should be pulled Step back friend. I asked who missed more bunnies
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 30, 2013 18:14:06 GMT -5
Let it be known that Jimmy was in White's face for this game. He yelled at him for not passing the ball and missing shots. He said to him "play with confidence." " ... Not passing the ball and missing shots." Those weren't Jimmy's exact words, but sounds way better than what he said. Jimmy sounded like Fran when yelling (teaching) White. I like White & think he'll be a very good player, but he has missed at least 4-5 dunks in games & many more in practice/scrimmages. If he simply shot an easy lay-up in those dunk attempts he should have made them (like Mike Wilson did last night). Also he needs to stop those Drives to the basket with a wild shot, & try and put up a shot that has a chance to go in. He'll learn and be fine .
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