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Post by OneIndian on Oct 14, 2013 11:51:59 GMT -5
Easy in no particular order Silas, JO, Bisping, Long, Poole, White, Hymes, Wright – with Oliver as 9th man ..if Cole is eligible then drop Oliver out of top 9 I think that is quite obviously the playing rotation. If Cole gets his waiver (he won't) then they play 10. There's no way Oliver doesn't play. He's probably the team's best 3 point shooter. You don't not use that weapon. I also see a possibility that Hymes's hands are a problem all season, allowing someone else into the rotation. Doesn't anyone find it worrisome that the hand not in a cast suddenly went bad and now he has issues with both? I said it a couple if weeks back.... I find the entire issue w/ both hands very odd.. You mean to tell me you have an issue w/ one hand and the other is bothering you and it's not evaluated until weeks after or was the other hand not injured at the same time?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 14, 2013 11:55:18 GMT -5
i liked #10, reminded me of Faison as a young pup, disruption on the court. A LOT of people liked #10 (White) at the scrimmage. He and Cole got he most love from where we were sitting. Both do things we've lacked on our perimeter for the past few years, so it was refreshing to see what they bring to the table. *and yes Cole shot too much, but he also created for his undermanned green team several times. I'd like to see him with the first team talent around him, and he def needs to get in better shape.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Oct 14, 2013 14:17:13 GMT -5
I don't think any coach is going to tell a parent what his true thoughts are as if they are part of the coaching staff. Also, I don't think White being in the green jersey has anything to do with where he will fall in the pecking order on this team. He is their best option at the 2 when it comes to a complete game (defense, rebounding, scoring, toughness). He has been at Siena for 2 months and you constantly mention about him showing up late as a factor. Jimmy probably uses White and Coles on the green team to make practice more competitive. You get nothing out of practice having your best 7 in the same jersey unless you are deep in talent 1-13.
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Post by siena95 on Oct 14, 2013 15:03:48 GMT -5
What did Rossiter weigh his freshman year? we often times get too hung up on the #'s..... I am also of the mind that if a kid can play, PLAY him.... i mean with the rate of attrition in college basketball and the # of kids who transfer every year, its a good bet 2 or 3 guys we are discussing now aren't even here in two years, much less FIVE years down the road. If you are a loaded team or have a kid who will never see the floor, red-shirt is an option, but for a team just struggling to get back to par, you play your best players, end of story..... some of you make it seem like it is beneficial that we store or stockpile players for 4 years from now, when in fact this program needs an infusion of every bit of talent it can get NOW.... if this kid is as athletic as some say, how can it hurt him in his maturation to play 15 min a game as a freshman?? no one is asking him to play the 5 for 30 minutes against seniors etc.... but there is NO middle ground with some of you... i think more would be learned playing in games then riding the pine and playing the same guys in practice every day.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 15:27:17 GMT -5
It really does not matter what happened last year...Patsos is judging them this year with a clean slate and they have worked their way into the top 7...you can't tell Oliver had knee problems and Rich did score off the bounce sat. Oliver has the best stroke on the team...this in not emotion these are facts...Patsos is pleased with both of them...And I would add that Audu, Oliver, and White handle the ball on equal levels. ..and as of Sat Audu and Oliver were in the top 7... If you paid attention to more than just the scrimmage you would have seen how efficient the white team ran through the plays and the drills....when they did the full court shooting did you notice who Patsos told to go to the layup line because they missed all of their jumpshots....it does not matter if you get a hot streak during the scrimmage. ..Oliver has proven to Patsos that he is a shooter so there will be a place for him... You're not seriously going to use that scrimmage as a plus for Audu and Oliver are you? The difference at the PG position between the white/green teams is like the difference between Shaker HS and Duke. Even with Audu and Oliver playing alongside Wright (he's the Duke:), Cole and White STILL OUYPLAYED THEM with the handicap of Cruz "running" the point. What's the scrimmage outcome if Cole and White played on the white, and Audu and Oliver played on the green with Cruz and Hopper?? lol And Tony is right about you putting way too much stock into what JP says publicly.. What do you expect him to do? If he was as happy as you think with the sophomore guards he inherited from Mitch why would he need to recriuit any guards for next year, like he's been actively doing?? We've got 5 very capable (according to you) guards all coming back in '14-'15. So why recruit more guards? I look at the entire practice including when they broke up and ran through the plays. ..up to this point Oliver and Audu have a better grasp of the offense..they both have game experience with Patsos and Oliver was starting in the last 2 games I think....Cole controlled the ball more than cruise and White hit 3 3's in the corner....Wright ran the pg the way it will be run with the 2gs that have the best grasp of their position on his team...White will be in the group before the season starts but I doubt Cole gets a waiver. .. As for believing Patsos' public statements the guy is honest to a fault. ...the truth can change with him but he believes what he says to be true at the time....Never said Oliver and Audu are All conference players....but the fact is they are top 7 right now or they were Sat....I believe what I see and hear till I see or hear differently
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 15:30:58 GMT -5
What did Rossiter weigh his freshman year? we often times get too hung up on the #'s..... I am also of the mind that if a kid can play, PLAY him.... i mean with the rate of attrition in college basketball and the # of kids who transfer every year, its a good bet 2 or 3 guys we are discussing now aren't even here in two years, much less FIVE years down the road. If you are a loaded team or have a kid who will never see the floor, red-shirt is an option, but for a team just struggling to get back to par, you play your best players, end of story..... some of you make it seem like it is beneficial that we store or stockpile players for 4 years from now, when in fact this program needs an infusion of every bit of talent it can get NOW.... if this kid is as athletic as some say, how can it hurt him in his maturation to play 15 min a game as a freshman?? no one is asking him to play the 5 for 30 minutes against seniors etc.... but there is NO middle ground with some of you... i think more would be learned playing in games then riding the pine and playing the same guys in practice every day. Boom, out of the park with this one siena95. Perfectly said.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 15:36:01 GMT -5
I don't think any coach is going to tell a parent what his true thoughts are as if they are part of the coaching staff. Also, I don't think White being in the green jersey has anything to do with where he will fall in the pecking order on this team. He is their best option at the 2 when it comes to a complete game (defense, rebounding, scoring, toughness). He has been at Siena for 2 months and you constantly mention about him showing up late as a factor. Jimmy probably uses White and Coles on the green team to make practice more competitive. You get nothing out of practice having your best 7 in the same jersey unless you are deep in talent 1-13. I never claimed to get info from the coaches....I do not get involved in that way....and whether you want to accept it or not white jerseys are the playing group and that's how it is done esp on the DI level....I bring up that White had a late start becausr he did....the team played 5 games together and practiced for 2 weeks....I have also said he will catch up..his late start gave them a jump ...as soon as he shows consistency and learns the system he could start but right now he isn't and neither is Cole for his own reasons
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 15:39:30 GMT -5
If Patsos believes that Wolfe can give this team 15 mins per game he would not redshirt...that is right at the mark...if you look at Montreal it does not look like he would play that much hence the redshirt will more than likely happen.
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Post by th24 on Oct 14, 2013 16:46:30 GMT -5
Looking at this team on Saturday the big question mark for me was Silas! I could not help but think ..time and time again.. has this kid improved enough to start? Is Long or JO better?
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 18:14:49 GMT -5
Looking at this team on Saturday the big question mark for me was Silas! I could not help but think ..time and time again.. has this kid improved enough to start? Is Long or JO better? The 5 is the biggest question mark...JO, Bisping, and Silas are the options there and all 3 have been up and down so far...Silas did not have a good day Sat..JO looks to be in the lead now since Bisping struggled on Sat as well
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 14, 2013 18:20:07 GMT -5
What did Rossiter weigh his freshman year? we often times get too hung up on the #'s..... I am also of the mind that if a kid can play, PLAY him.... i mean with the rate of attrition in college basketball and the # of kids who transfer every year, its a good bet 2 or 3 guys we are discussing now aren't even here in two years, much less FIVE years down the road. If you are a loaded team or have a kid who will never see the floor, red-shirt is an option, but for a team just struggling to get back to par, you play your best players, end of story..... some of you make it seem like it is beneficial that we store or stockpile players for 4 years from now, when in fact this program needs an infusion of every bit of talent it can get NOW.... if this kid is as athletic as some say, how can it hurt him in his maturation to play 15 min a game as a freshman?? no one is asking him to play the 5 for 30 minutes against seniors etc.... but there is NO middle ground with some of you... i think more would be learned playing in games then riding the pine and playing the same guys in practice every day. Boom, out of the park with this one siena95. Perfectly said. Not if your still developing physically and he's young. How many more wins w/ MW playing 5-10 mpg ... not many, if any. From everything I've read and heard I think the kid wants to RS. The kid really wanted to prep or RS at Loyola, I don't think anything has changed his mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 18:25:41 GMT -5
Boom, out of the park with this one siena95. Perfectly said. Not if your still developing physically and he's young. How many more wins w/ MW playing 5-10 mpg ... not many, if any. From everything I've read and heard I think the kid wants to RS. The kid really wanted to prep or RS at Loyola, I don't think anything has changed his mind. I can go back and find the post probably. Someone said they spoke to Wolfe at one of the events and he said he's playing. I'm not sure why everyone thinks a "possible" redshirt comment before his senior season means he wants to redshirt now.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 14, 2013 18:49:53 GMT -5
Not if your still developing physically and he's young. How many more wins w/ MW playing 5-10 mpg ... not many, if any. From everything I've read and heard I think the kid wants to RS. The kid really wanted to prep or RS at Loyola, I don't think anything has changed his mind. I can go back and find the post probably. Someone said they spoke to Wolfe at one of the events and he said he's playing. I'm not sure why everyone thinks a "possible" redshirt comment before his senior season means he wants to redshirt now. I know Wolfe well and the bottom line is he would rather RS than waste a year barely playing. .I think during the summer he was playing well in pickup and it became a wait and see for him while he lifted and worked to gain the strength he knew he lacked...And the lack if PT in Montreal caused some concern I am sure....once real practice began I think Wolfe and the staff saw where he is in the rotation and a decision was made....
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Post by gorvy on Oct 14, 2013 19:35:48 GMT -5
One thing I do agree with is the talent has been upgraded. The videos of wright and long were encouraging, and multiple sources are praising white. Now Wolfe seems to be the real deal, whether it is now or later. At least these are better "problems" to have. Looking forward to the season.
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 14, 2013 20:06:26 GMT -5
What did Rossiter weigh his freshman year? we often times get too hung up on the #'s..... I am also of the mind that if a kid can play, PLAY him.... i mean with the rate of attrition in college basketball and the # of kids who transfer every year, its a good bet 2 or 3 guys we are discussing now aren't even here in two years, much less FIVE years down the road. If you are a loaded team or have a kid who will never see the floor, red-shirt is an option, but for a team just struggling to get back to par, you play your best players, end of story..... some of you make it seem like it is beneficial that we store or stockpile players for 4 years from now, when in fact this program needs an infusion of every bit of talent it can get NOW.... if this kid is as athletic as some say, how can it hurt him in his maturation to play 15 min a game as a freshman?? no one is asking him to play the 5 for 30 minutes against seniors etc.... but there is NO middle ground with some of you... i think more would be learned playing in games then riding the pine and playing the same guys in practice every day. People have a short memory. Rossiter HAD to play as a Frosh. Yes, we had Josh Duell but he needed someone to spell him. He couldn't play the mins needed (knees). Without Rossiter we were left with: Cory Magee, Erik Harris (walk-on) & James Carr. Rossiter was basically our #2 center behind Duell. Yes, Cory played the same mins per game but Rossiter HAD to play. This year' team is a little deeper at center. Wolfe may not be needed if it's in his interest to sit out a year. We have Imoh, JO, & Bisping. We have the luxury of red shirting Wolf if needed. We didn't have the luxury of red shirting Rossiter . I don't view that team & Rossiter comparable to this team & Wolfe (big men wise). Who knows, Wolfe may not redshirt & we're debating this for nothing.
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