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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 8:16:30 GMT -5
Wow! That would be interesting. If he is even considering returning, is it safe to assume he would not have to sit a year if we even had an available scholarship? That would be ironic if we didn't have one and he wanted to come back. I was sad to hear of him leaving back in April. Good kid who's been through a lot and he showed a lot of improvement last year. I was looking forward to even greater production. JO has great grades, and a real bad parent/earning situation, which could equal some money outside of the basketball program. Maybe he doesn't need an athletic scholarship during the year he sits out (IF he enrolled at BU)?? Interesting concept - essentially come back as a walk-on under an academic scholarship while serving the one year transfer no-play period if he had enrolled at BU! Lots of "if's" for sure (OBTW, the BU site did not have the 2015-2016 roster up, so him not showing on it means nothing of and by itself). I would be shocked if that scenario wouldn't be problematic re NCAA rules. Paying his own way might be ok but the academic (wink - athletic) scholarship idea seems questionable at best.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 7, 2015 9:40:22 GMT -5
JO has great grades, and a real bad parent/earning situation, which could equal some money outside of the basketball program. Maybe he doesn't need an athletic scholarship during the year he sits out (IF he enrolled at BU)?? Interesting concept - essentially come back as a walk-on under an academic scholarship while serving the one year transfer no-play period if he had enrolled at BU! Lots of "if's" for sure (OBTW, the BU site did not have the 2015-2016 roster up, so him not showing on it means nothing of and by itself). I would be shocked if that scenario wouldn't be problematic re NCAA rules. Paying his own way might be ok but the academic (wink - athletic) scholarship idea seems questionable at best. There's more money out there for youths, besides academics, that can't afford to go college. And his academic success is a proven commodity. It's very possible, especially because he isn't on the team next year. ps--ESPN has the BU roster up for '15-'16. No JO, but like I said earlier, kids that are sitting out, aren't usually listed.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Aug 7, 2015 10:24:50 GMT -5
I think it's unlikely that he comes back to begin with, but virtually no chance he would do it if he had to pay tuition for a year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Aug 7, 2015 11:54:23 GMT -5
"If" JO wanted to come back, why would he have to sit out a yr? I'm not up with all the rules.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 7, 2015 14:25:19 GMT -5
"If" JO wanted to come back, why would he have to sit out a yr? I'm not up with all the rules. He'd ony have to sit out if he actually enrolled at BU I think. Not sure if he did or not. Again, not sure JO woud have to, "pay his own way." Underprivledged minorites that excel in the classroom usually qualify for plenty of aid. Even if they're 6'8"
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Post by IndianSaint on Aug 7, 2015 15:13:05 GMT -5
Thanks HJ.
As for the ship, I still believe Cam will do the right thing and give it up "for the Team". He obviously doesn't "need" a ship (regardless of what "deals" were made).
If his dad can't see that and holds Jimmy to a "deal" I lose all respect for Cam & Cam's dad.
Sometimes situations occur that might impact an original "deal" and might lead to a renegotiation. That's what reasonable people do especially when it benefits an entire team over one player.
Just my two cents. I never liked the ship deal for the walk on in the first place so of course I'm biased. If you give him one for his Sr yr that'd be fine (like Connor).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 15:20:10 GMT -5
D1 basketball is defined as a "head count" sport when talking about scholarships. A player may receive an academic scholarship/financial aid but that will be counted the same as an athletic scholarship - 13, and only 13, D1 men's basketball players can receive aid, whatever the color, in any given year. That rule is to prevent big time boosters (like HJ ) from salting a team with funded "walk-ons". Bottom line - JO's fantasy return for next year would require him or his family to pay ALL costs and I'm quite sure there is a very thorough verification process that Siena would have to put them through. Having already played two years on an athletic scholarship, i.e., he's already pregnant, would eliminate the possibility to mask himself as a preferred walk-on, IMO. Thanks for the idea HJ, it's been the only worthwhile Siena hoops related item worth discussion in some time. Now if someone suddenly decided to move closer to their sick grandmother and gave up their ship, the fantasy shifts to semi-reality!
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Post by james on Aug 7, 2015 19:10:56 GMT -5
(If)JO is having second thoughts about leaving and wishes to come back Siena should welcome him with open arms.His maturity on the court in the second half of the season certainly raised more than a few eyebrows,including mine.He would put Siena near the top of the MAAC with their frontcourt.Maybe JO is starting to mature on and off the court after possibly making a rash decision to leave after one of his best friend left after last season.I,for one would be very happy to have him back as he would help Siena return to the top of the league where we want Siena to be.Go Saints!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 19:32:41 GMT -5
(If)JO is having second thoughts about leaving and wishes to come back Siena should welcome him with open arms.His maturity on the court in the second half of the season certainly raised more than a few eyebrows,including mine.He would put Siena near the top of the MAAC with their frontcourt.Maybe JO is starting to mature on and off the court after possibly making a rash decision to leave after one of his best friend left after last season.I,for one would be very happy to have him back as he would help Siena return to the top of the league where we want Siena to be.Go Saints!! I would agree with you if there was an open slot for him to return to. Absent a gift from the magi elicited from endless petitioners praying in the new Grotto, it would take a miracle to "create" the scenario that would permit him to return. Figuratively speaking, he burned his bridge when he left and the void was filled. Can't imagine pulling the ship back from Cam and I can't envision his dad telling him to "do the right thing" and that he'll send a check in ASAP to cover another year. It was reported that JO wasn't exactly a big fan of our HC so it is really a stretch to think he'd come back into an "I told you so" environment that would have to be created by some unpleasant and overt actions by JP.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 7, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
D1 basketball is defined as a "head count" sport when talking about scholarships. A player may receive an academic scholarship/financial aid but that will be counted the same as an athletic scholarship - 13, and only 13, D1 men's basketball players can receive aid, whatever the color, in any given year. That rule is to prevent big time boosters (like HJ ) from salting a team with funded "walk-ons". Bottom line - JO's fantasy return for next year would require him or his family to pay ALL costs and I'm quite sure there is a very thorough verification process that Siena would have to put them through. Having already played two years on an athletic scholarship, i.e., he's already pregnant, would eliminate the possibility to mask himself as a preferred walk-on, IMO. Thanks for the idea HJ, it's been the only worthwhile Siena hoops related item worth discussion in some time. Now if someone suddenly decided to move closer to their sick grandmother and gave up their ship, the fantasy shifts to semi-reality! You're assumming if he came back he'd be on the team. In my scenerio, he coudn't practice with the team this year either. You're 100% right about the head count, but if he's a student, and not a player.....the great student part isnt a normal situation either. Now BU had to offer him a scholarship to get him to commit to their team. They were bidding for him against other programs. We're not. He's coming to us, and we have no athletic money left. It's def a unique situation. Not sure how the NCAA woud look upon this. I guess one could ask, why can't BU have them on their campus, have him apply for aid, and not count him against their scholarship count? Not many kids would agree to this without being able to practice, workout with the team either. He'd have to be like any other student for a year.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 7, 2015 20:19:20 GMT -5
(If)JO is having second thoughts about leaving and wishes to come back Siena should welcome him with open arms.His maturity on the court in the second half of the season certainly raised more than a few eyebrows,including mine.He would put Siena near the top of the MAAC with their frontcourt.Maybe JO is starting to mature on and off the court after possibly making a rash decision to leave after one of his best friend left after last season.I,for one would be very happy to have him back as he would help Siena return to the top of the league where we want Siena to be.Go Saints!! I would agree with you if there was an open slot for him to return to. Absent a gift from the magi elicited from endless petitioners praying in the new Grotto, it would take a miracle to "create" the scenario that would permit him to return. Figuratively speaking, he burned his bridge when he left and the void was filled. Can't imagine pulling the ship back from Cam and I can't envision his dad telling him to "do the right thing" and that he'll send a check in ASAP to cover another year. It was reported that JO wasn't exactly a big fan of our HC so it is really a stretch to think he'd come back into an "I told you so" environment that would have to be created by some unpleasant and overt actions by JP. It's funy that people think JO hated JP. Why do you think Vermont and George Washington were two of his final 3? (Becker and Lonergan are his boys) Jimmy helped the kid. He really wanted to leave town, and now he's having second thoughts about it. Wouldn't be the first kid to think like this. I still think it's a 25% chance he actually comes back. I do wish I knew if he enrolled their or not. If he didn't, the odds would go up for us without having to RS (which may be a factor in all this too?!)
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Post by IndianSaint on Aug 7, 2015 21:00:12 GMT -5
Ye of little faith. If JO wants to come back, Cam will do the right thing. A ship will open. He's a class act.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:02:07 GMT -5
I would agree with you if there was an open slot for him to return to. Absent a gift from the magi elicited from endless petitioners praying in the new Grotto, it would take a miracle to "create" the scenario that would permit him to return. Figuratively speaking, he burned his bridge when he left and the void was filled. Can't imagine pulling the ship back from Cam and I can't envision his dad telling him to "do the right thing" and that he'll send a check in ASAP to cover another year. It was reported that JO wasn't exactly a big fan of our HC so it is really a stretch to think he'd come back into an "I told you so" environment that would have to be created by some unpleasant and overt actions by JP. It's funy that people think JO hated JP. Why do you think Vermont and George Washington were two of his final 3? (Becker and Lonergan are his boys) Jimmy helped the kid. He really wanted to leave town, and now he's having second thoughts about it. Wouldn't be the first kid to think like this. I still think it's a 25% chance he actually comes back. I do wish I knew if he enrolled their or not. If he didn't, the odds would go up for us without having to RS (which may be a factor in all this too?!) For the record, I never used the word "hate" - saying JO hated JP is a long (no pun intended) way from my saying JO was not a big fan of our HC! Hadn't given consideration to his returning to be just a student. Since he's a very bright student that would predict graduation on time in '17 and he'd (assuming he rejoined the team for the 2016-2017 season) still have a year of eligibility remaining. Not sure if a "regular" student can take a reduced class load like athletes can (and do) carry to postpone graduation a year. Like I said, interesting discussion. The discussion took off based on the hope of some that if he returned he'd be playing alongside Imoh THIS YEAR - now it's morphed to a potential return to the area but NOT playing. Not sure how he would maintain his conditioning and skill set doing it "on his own" !
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 8, 2015 10:52:34 GMT -5
He'd have 5 months (May-Oct) to get in "game shape" next year, and he'd still have 2 years eligibility.
The real question is if he ever enrolled at BU. It determines everything. We are al saying he might not want to leave home afterall. Maybe he doesn't want to red-shirt?? That would help our cause obviously...IF he never enrolled.
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Post by bigsaintg on Aug 8, 2015 11:10:24 GMT -5
Hate to interrupt the debate but do we have any kids scheduled for visits?
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