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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 14:43:38 GMT -5
The recruited kids that Patsos brought with him from Loyola, were solid players in the DC/MD/VA area, but not at the top for their position. They will eventually help Siena win games, but I don't see them overwhelming seasoned talent in the MAAC their first year. Remember, these kids would be coming off the bench if they had stayed at Loyola. The expectations might be a little high this year. Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. And I'm not so sure why you think these kids would be coming off the bench at Loyola. They were recruited to play, not watch. I said that Siena is going to overwhelm the seasoned world beaters. Does that count?
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Sept 16, 2013 14:54:03 GMT -5
The recruited kids that Patsos brought with him from Loyola, were solid players in the DC/MD/VA area, but not at the top for their position. They will eventually help Siena win games, but I don't see them overwhelming seasoned talent in the MAAC their first year. Remember, these kids would be coming off the bench if they had stayed at Loyola. The expectations might be a little high this year. Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. Magic my comment was in general not directed towards you specifically. I've seen these new kids play, and I have an idea of how they fit in the MAAC from watching Loloya since Patsos coached. I don't see them as first year college players who can turn a bottom level program around instantly. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 15:04:02 GMT -5
Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. Magic my comment was in general not directed towards you specifically. I've seen these new kids play, and I have an idea of how they fit in the MAAC from watching Loloya since Patsos coached. I don't see them as first year college players who can turn a bottom level program around instantly. Just my thoughts. I guarantee Siena comes in 11th or better.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 16, 2013 15:08:27 GMT -5
lol, that's because they only sign McDonalds HS All-Americans!! all our kids signed with a MAAC conference foe.....HUGE difference! ....and anyone thinking we can win 20 games this year, should put the bottle down. I'll say it again, we won't favored in a a game until Dec 23 vs Hofstra!!! that's hard to believe, but we have a really tough schedule. program is going in the right direction, but this year will be a tough one, so be prepared. Thanks for proving my point. It's about talent, not experience. If they can be #1 in the nation with only freshman and soph's, Siena can contend in the MAAC with 3 Juniors, 3 (or 4 if Cole plays) Soph's , and 5 freshman. Comparing KY w/ the best recruits in the country has no bearing on what Siena Is or is not capable if doing .. period!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 15:10:39 GMT -5
Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. Magic my comment was in general not directed towards you specifically. I've seen these new kids play, and I have an idea of how they fit in the MAAC from watching Loloya since Patsos coached. I don't see them as first year college players who can turn a bottom level program around instantly. Just my thoughts. Your comment wasn't directed to me? You quoted me in your comment. Sorry I somehow thought that you were addressing me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 15:14:11 GMT -5
Thanks for proving my point. It's about talent, not experience. If they can be #1 in the nation with only freshman and soph's, Siena can contend in the MAAC with 3 Juniors, 3 (or 4 if Cole plays) Soph's , and 5 freshman. Comparing KY w/ the best recruits in the country has no bearing on what Siena Is or is not capable if doing .. period! Not true. The best recruits in the country are a lot like KY. They are slippery and hard to hold on to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 15:14:23 GMT -5
Thanks for proving my point. It's about talent, not experience. If they can be #1 in the nation with only freshman and soph's, Siena can contend in the MAAC with 3 Juniors, 3 (or 4 if Cole plays) Soph's , and 5 freshman. Comparing KY w/ the best recruits in the country has no bearing on what Siena Is or is not capable if doing .. period! It has bearing on whether the question is talent or experience. Teams all over the country are winning with underclassmen, but you all seem to think it can't happen at Siena. If Kentucky can compete nationally with freshman, Siena can compete in the MAAC with freshman. It's not asking these freshmen to compete with Kentucky, they are competing with other MAAC level players.
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Post by Tony on Sept 16, 2013 15:29:20 GMT -5
OK magic--- what does “competitive “ mean to you? What is your realistic win total for Siena both MAAC and overall
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 16, 2013 15:32:16 GMT -5
The recruited kids that Patsos brought with him from Loyola, were solid players in the DC/MD/VA area, but not at the top for their position. They will eventually help Siena win games, but I don't see them overwhelming seasoned talent in the MAAC their first year. Remember, these kids would be coming off the bench if they had stayed at Loyola. The expectations might be a little high this year. Actually Wright was at the top for his position. He was first team DMV all-met and the Gatorade MD player of the year. And USA Today just chose Long as their preseason MAAC rookie of the year. He was 4th team all-met.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 16:06:34 GMT -5
OK magic--- what does “competitive “ mean to you? What is your realistic win total for Siena both MAAC and overall There are a lot of mid pack MAAC teams. You could be competitive and still finish anywhere from 4th to 8th. Realistically, I would say anywhere from 7 to 12 MAAC wins, possibly 3-6 OOC, so anywhere from 10 to 18 wins. I would expect toward the higher end, but if the games are close, 10 wouldn't be horrible. I can't see the team finishing 10th or 11th.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 16:14:17 GMT -5
OK magic--- what does “competitive “ mean to you? What is your realistic win total for Siena both MAAC and overall There are a lot of mid pack MAAC teams. You could be competitive and still finish anywhere from 4th to 8th. Realistically, I would say anywhere from 7 to 12 MAAC wins, possibly 3-6 OOC, so anywhere from 10 to 18 wins. I would expect toward the higher end, but if the games are close, 10 wouldn't be horrible. I can't see the team finishing 10th or 11th. Siena has a shot against UAlbany, Vermont, Bonnie, Cornell, Hofstra, and Fordham in the OOC. They could get 2 against Monmouth, 2 against SPC, 2 against Niagara, Split with Qunnipiac, possible split with Fairfield and Rider, thats 8 MAAC wins. Steal a couple others, you're mid pack or better.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 16, 2013 17:25:31 GMT -5
The recruited kids that Patsos brought with him from Loyola, were solid players in the DC/MD/VA area, but not at the top for their position. They will eventually help Siena win games, but I don't see them overwhelming seasoned talent in the MAAC their first year. Remember, these kids would be coming off the bench if they had stayed at Loyola. The expectations might be a little high this year. Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. And I'm not so sure why you think these kids would be coming off the bench at Loyola. They were recruited to play, not watch. "Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters?" So because those 2 started on a 8-24 team that gives us the false hope that this team can win 18-20 games agaisnt a monster schedule? Okay........ ...and the "freshman" at UK play in the league in their sophomore season. Our guys are working at the track.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 16, 2013 17:27:59 GMT -5
OK magic--- what does “competitive “ mean to you? What is your realistic win total for Siena both MAAC and overall There are a lot of mid pack MAAC teams. You could be competitive and still finish anywhere from 4th to 8th. Realistically, I would say anywhere from 7 to 12 MAAC wins, possibly 3-6 OOC, so anywhere from 10 to 18 wins. I would expect toward the higher end, but if the games are close, 10 wouldn't be horrible. I can't see the team finishing 10th or 11th. I got Siena winning anywhere from 6 to 19 games this year, so we're not that far off!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 17:55:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's how you or hoopjunkie choose to interpret what people say, instead of just reading it. Nobody said anything about "overwhelming" seasoned talent (as you just did) or being "world beaters", as hoopjunkie did. Some people believe they can be competitive. That's all that was said. Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters. A few decent pieces around them should make the team competitive. And I'm not so sure why you think these kids would be coming off the bench at Loyola. They were recruited to play, not watch. "Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters?" So because those 2 started on a 8-24 team that gives us the false hope that this team can win 18-20 games agaisnt a monster schedule? Okay........ ...and the "freshman" at UK play in the league in their sophomore season. Our guys are working at the track. No shit, genius. Maybe that has to do with talent and not experience? A freshman has the same experience whether he's in the SEC or the MAAC.
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Post by hockeyguy on Sept 16, 2013 23:03:47 GMT -5
There are a lot of mid pack MAAC teams. You could be competitive and still finish anywhere from 4th to 8th. Realistically, I would say anywhere from 7 to 12 MAAC wins, possibly 3-6 OOC, so anywhere from 10 to 18 wins. I would expect toward the higher end, but if the games are close, 10 wouldn't be horrible. I can't see the team finishing 10th or 11th. I got Siena winning anywhere from 6 to 19 games this year, so we're not that far off! Well between 6 and 19 is better than between 0 and 32, but what do you really think? I agree 20 and 14 is possibly a little unrealistic, but I don't think 18-16 is unatainable, maybe near the outside edge, but possible. So what is your assesment, keep it to a couple of games +/- if you can. BTW, my 34 games assume a 32 game R/S and a win in the first round of the MAAC Tournament and a 2nd round loss.
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