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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 16, 2013 23:14:20 GMT -5
"Poole and Hymes are proven MAAC starters?" So because those 2 started on a 8-24 team that gives us the false hope that this team can win 18-20 games agaisnt a monster schedule? Okay........ ...and the "freshman" at UK play in the league in their sophomore season. Our guys are working at the track. No shit, genius. Maybe that has to do with talent and not experience? A freshman has the same experience whether he's in the SEC or the MAAC. Obviously you're not a genius, because the "freshman talent" at UK is off the charts to the point that their kids go in the top ten of the NBA draft every year. When you're NBA-good, you're right, experience doesn't matter as much. On our little lower level, IT DOES. Let me know the last time a freshman dominated team was top 4 in the MAAC.
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Post by MTS on Sept 16, 2013 23:28:44 GMT -5
No shit, genius. Maybe that has to do with talent and not experience? A freshman has the same experience whether he's in the SEC or the MAAC. Obviously you're not a genius, because the "freshman talent" at UK is off the charts to the point that their kids go in the top ten of the NBA draft every year. When you're NBA-good, you're right, experience doesn't matter as much. On our little lower level, IT DOES. Let me know the last time a freshman dominated team was top 4 in the MAAC. I don't think we'll be in the top 4 because our best players (or most talented players) will be freshman. I agree at the mid-major level upperclassmen (and guards) win. However if these guys have the talent we think they do we won't be a 10th place team as the coaches predicted. It's likely we'll be under .500 overall because of the toughness of the OOC schedule and playing so many new guys. But I think we'll manage to be .500 in the conference. Remember the MAAC is a solid league but a good coach and good PG play means you'll be competitive. I've said the key to this season is how quickly Marquis Wright acclimates to D1 basketball. Can he give us what Ronald Moore produced as a freshmen in 2006-07? Of course Moore had (in addition to his stud frosh) two senior in Dave Ryan and Mike Haddix. Whereas Wright will only have Rob Poole and Evan Hymes as upperclassmen to lean on. Ronald Moore as a frosh started 27 of 32 games 31.1 MPG.. .377 FG .319 3% FG .. .550 FT% 7.4 PPG.. 3.5 RPG .. 4.9 APG, 2.2 TO ..1.5 SPG Can Wright give us those numbers? If he does we'll be in pretty good shape IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 5:42:48 GMT -5
No shit, genius. Maybe that has to do with talent and not experience? A freshman has the same experience whether he's in the SEC or the MAAC. Obviously you're not a genius, because the "freshman talent" at UK is off the charts to the point that their kids go in the top ten of the NBA draft every year. When you're NBA-good, you're right, experience doesn't matter as much. On our little lower level, IT DOES. Let me know the last time a freshman dominated team was top 4 in the MAAC. When did Siena become a "freshman dominated team"? Freshmen will play less than half the available minutes. There are 200 minutes. Juniors will play between 70 and 85 minutes, Soph's will play about 45-50 (more if Cole plays).
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Post by jamalblack on Sept 17, 2013 6:24:34 GMT -5
It comes down who produced on the floor.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 17, 2013 7:00:18 GMT -5
Obviously you're not a genius, because the "freshman talent" at UK is off the charts to the point that their kids go in the top ten of the NBA draft every year. When you're NBA-good, you're right, experience doesn't matter as much. On our little lower level, IT DOES. Let me know the last time a freshman dominated team was top 4 in the MAAC. When did Siena become a "freshman dominated team"? Freshmen will play less than half the available minutes. There are 200 minutes. Juniors will play between 70 and 85 minutes, Soph's will play about 45-50 (more if Cole plays). IF the freshman don't earn half of your 200 minutes a game by Christmas, it's going to be a longgggg year. (that's assumming no Cole and Wolfe doesn't redshirt......which hopefully, both will happen)
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 17, 2013 8:50:49 GMT -5
When did Siena become a "freshman dominated team"? Freshmen will play less than half the available minutes. There are 200 minutes. Juniors will play between 70 and 85 minutes, Soph's will play about 45-50 (more if Cole plays). IF the freshman don't earn half of your 200 minutes a game by Christmas, it's going to be a longgggg year. (that's assumming no Cole and Wolfe doesn't redshirt......which hopefully, both will happen) Are you declaring that because you have actuallywatched the freshman play against college level competition or just saying that because you have already saw what we have and hope they are better than that?
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 17, 2013 9:31:17 GMT -5
IF the freshman don't earn half of your 200 minutes a game by Christmas, it's going to be a longgggg year. (that's assumming no Cole and Wolfe doesn't redshirt......which hopefully, both will happen) Are you declaring that because you have actuallywatched the freshman play against college level competition or just saying that because you have already saw what we have and hope they are better than that? we pretty much know what we have with the returning players. Yes, i expect some improvement but some of the limitations went beyond coaching. I agree with junkie that if the rookies arent garnering the larger portion of minutes then the season will indeed be more of a rebuilding year and could mean a slower recovery overall. It is not absurd to have a wide range or even no expectations at all in a situation like this. I would hope the team could get to double digit wins... but anything from 8 or 9 wins all the way to 18 wins could happen. obviously the closer to 18 and beyond would be a pleasant change. .500 would be a relatively reasonable goal. If hymes is playing the majority of the two minutes and silas struggles to stay on the floor. Expectations should probably be tempered a bit.
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 17, 2013 12:49:50 GMT -5
Are you declaring that because you have actuallywatched the freshman play against college level competition or just saying that because you have already saw what we have and hope they are better than that? we pretty much know what we have with the returning players. Yes, i expect some improvement but some of the limitations went beyond coaching. I agree with junkie that if the rookies arent garnering the larger portion of minutes then the season will indeed be more of a rebuilding year and could mean a slower recovery overall. It is not absurd to have a wide range or even no expectations at all in a situation like this. I would hope the team could get to double digit wins... but anything from 8 or 9 wins all the way to 18 wins could happen. obviously the closer to 18 and beyond would be a pleasant change. .500 would be a relatively reasonable goal. If hymes is playing the majority of the two minutes and silas struggles to stay on the floor. Expectations should probably be tempered a bit. If there's ever a wildcard it's Maurice white..really want to see him play at this level. He seems like a tougher Audu with more offense and a slightly better handle. The thing that worries me most with the team is the guards who can handle the ball are tiny and the guards who have size are mostly defensive.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 17, 2013 13:07:59 GMT -5
we pretty much know what we have with the returning players. Yes, i expect some improvement but some of the limitations went beyond coaching. I agree with junkie that if the rookies arent garnering the larger portion of minutes then the season will indeed be more of a rebuilding year and could mean a slower recovery overall. It is not absurd to have a wide range or even no expectations at all in a situation like this. I would hope the team could get to double digit wins... but anything from 8 or 9 wins all the way to 18 wins could happen. obviously the closer to 18 and beyond would be a pleasant change. .500 would be a relatively reasonable goal. If hymes is playing the majority of the two minutes and silas struggles to stay on the floor. Expectations should probably be tempered a bit. If there's ever a wildcard it's Maurice white..really want to see him play at this level. He seems like a tougher Audu with more offense and a slightly better handle. The thing that worries me most with the team is the guards who can handle the ball are tiny and the guards who have size are mostly defensive. only 2 are tiny....we have big guards and I hope we continue to get bigger and not smaller
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 17, 2013 13:17:43 GMT -5
If there's ever a wildcard it's Maurice white..really want to see him play at this level. He seems like a tougher Audu with more offense and a slightly better handle. The thing that worries me most with the team is the guards who can handle the ball are tiny and the guards who have size are mostly defensive. only 2 are tiny....we have big guards and I hope we continue to get bigger and not smaller Only two can can dribble drive and create
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 17, 2013 13:23:36 GMT -5
only 2 are tiny....we have big guards and I hope we continue to get bigger and not smaller Only two can can dribble drive and create I would say 4 can....and you will see this when the games start.... Cole is included
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 17, 2013 13:29:06 GMT -5
Only two can can dribble drive and create I would say 4 can....and you will see this when the games start.... Cole is included Yes Cole can i was excluding him since he doesn't have his waiver yet. And i havent seen white play against D1 players to say he can too.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 17, 2013 14:29:00 GMT -5
I would say 4 can....and you will see this when the games start.... Cole is included Yes Cole can i was excluding him since he doesn't have his waiver yet. And i havent seen white play against D1 players to say he can too. Ok so you are only talking about returners since they are the only players that have seen DI level play right?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 17, 2013 15:38:08 GMT -5
IF the freshman don't earn half of your 200 minutes a game by Christmas, it's going to be a longgggg year. (that's assumming no Cole and Wolfe doesn't redshirt......which hopefully, both will happen) Are you declaring that because you have actuallywatched the freshman play against college level competition or just saying that because you have already saw what we have and hope they are better than that? 90% the latter....10% the former
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Post by siena12077 on Sept 17, 2013 15:45:43 GMT -5
Yes Cole can i was excluding him since he doesn't have his waiver yet. And i havent seen white play against D1 players to say he can too. Ok so you are only talking about returners since they are the only players that have seen DI level play right? I'm talking about all of the guards in general on the team this year who will be playing. Wright and Hymes can drivble drive, but Audu and Oliver cannot do it effectively. White is a wild card. I love Poole as much as the next guy but that is not his game so he shouldn't try to make it be. He is a guy who does a little of everything and is a catch and shoot, or 2 dribbles and pull-up J. I know that Cole will help out eventually. Just hope that White can be more of an all around guy.
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