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Post by MTS on Apr 15, 2013 9:14:32 GMT -5
I think this is an effort to try and keep VCU and Richmond in the A10....closer than the northern schools of Siena, bus ride much easier than through the DC traffic....I don't think this goes on any of the administration, the A10 does not want to loose VCU as that is the school it is going to hang its hat on now that Butler and Xavier are gone Where's VCU and Richmond going though? If the Big East comes calling they're gone regardless. They have no place to go. I agree with the point that Davidson is a way to kiss VCU's ass but fail to see the logic behind their decision. Davidson is not a good fit for the A10 IMO. National writers were even tweeting about that last night. Well...hopefully it is wrong or Siena is going an invite too. So far Goodman is the only one reporting it. But if not all we can do is continue to clean up the mess and get back to winning games!
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Post by hockeyguy on Apr 15, 2013 9:21:34 GMT -5
To the guys who are moaning about Quinnipiac, they have by far the best (and newest) on campus facility (both a hockey rink and basketball court, 2 different arenas, not one) in the MAAC. In 2006 they joined the ECACHL (Union, RPI) for hockey. This past weekend they played for the national championship as the number one seed in the country, losing to Yale 4-0. These guys are for real. www.quinnipiacbobcats.com/information/facilities/tdsports_center/index
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Post by glen on Apr 15, 2013 9:32:38 GMT -5
hockeyguy - this is a hoops message board. That said there are several schools in the MAAC with hockey as a primary sport. THAT, in my ever so humble opinion, is the "problem" with the MAAC and why the A10 is a WAY better fit for us now. The A10 is a hoop league. The MAAC is sort of a hoops league but as they get passed by in hoops is transitioning into a hockey league. We are the biggest hoops fish but we're only club level in hockey. There's a MAJOR mismatch here. If Quinny is playing for a national title in hockey they probably aren't that concerned with hoop. Much like the Big East split up due to the FB schools, I can see Siena/Iona/Fairfield getting annoyed that the hockey schools start driving the decision making.
Oh, please, please, A10 invite Siena to the party!
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Post by macdog on Apr 15, 2013 9:39:35 GMT -5
Just curiously - why would men's basketball budget have to double? If McKillop is on board they may not have to pay a coach more. Travel budget may go up but I assume revenues also increase because of larger pie to share among schools... I’m kind of surprised you don’t know this Dog..A lot of requirements in the A10 that smaller conference’s don’t have. Take the DBO—in smaller conference teams that position is part time. In the A10 it has to be full time for both the men’s and women’s teams. Many of these requirements are across the board in many sports not only basketball. Recruiting budget has to go up, Davidson will be recruiting a different type athletes, and the Cats have very strict academic requirements for their incoming athletes, maybe they loosen them? But anyhow without boring anyone those are a few things that change,besides the obvious double or tripling of the travel budget. The avg A10 budget is about 3.4 or 3.5 Million for men’s basketball. So while their budget might not double—there is absolutely no question it will increases substantially. As the southernmost school in the conference Davidson’s travel budget would be most expensive in conference, and lost class time the maximum. Will be interesting to see what happens to their ticket prices.. Davidson get decent attendance ( about 4K) but their most expensive court side seat is 20 bucks. And with only 1700 students the money for the A10 has to be coming from somewhere. Make no mistake about it- this is a substantial "step" up financially for Davidson I don't make assumptions about budgetary matters for any school. I also don't assume that they must be at the average in order to be competitive.
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Post by Tony on Apr 15, 2013 10:25:50 GMT -5
I don't make assumptions about budgetary matters for any school. I also don't assume that they must be at the average in order to be competitive. What does this have to do with your question on why Davidson’s budget has to go up? You showed a clear lack of understanding on how budgetary numbers work at the A10 level. I educated you—I don’t care about your assumptions that being below Average is OK to compete. History shows that over the long term if your budgetary numbers are below average in a conference you usually struggle to stay competitive in your conference. Those are the facts. Your assumption that it doesn’t matter—well everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong they are
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 15, 2013 10:50:20 GMT -5
I’m kind of surprised you don’t know this Dog..A lot of requirements in the A10 that smaller conference’s don’t have. Take the DBO—in smaller conference teams that position is part time. In the A10 it has to be full time for both the men’s and women’s teams. Many of these requirements are across the board in many sports not only basketball. Recruiting budget has to go up, Davidson will be recruiting a different type athletes, and the Cats have very strict academic requirements for their incoming athletes, maybe they loosen them? But anyhow without boring anyone those are a few things that change,besides the obvious double or tripling of the travel budget. The avg A10 budget is about 3.4 or 3.5 Million for men’s basketball. So while their budget might not double—there is absolutely no question it will increases substantially. As the southernmost school in the conference Davidson’s travel budget would be most expensive in conference, and lost class time the maximum. Will be interesting to see what happens to their ticket prices.. Davidson get decent attendance ( about 4K) but their most expensive court side seat is 20 bucks. And with only 1700 students the money for the A10 has to be coming from somewhere. Make no mistake about it- this is a substantial "step" up financially for Davidson I don't make assumptions about budgetary matters for any school. I also don't assume that they must be at the average in order to be competitive. This has nothing to do with assumptions. It's a fact their budget will have to increase substantially in travel alone. A North Carolina based program that was busing it everywhere in the Southern Conference will now have to fly to most of its conference games - and that's all its athletic teams, not just hoops.
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Post by macdog on Apr 15, 2013 11:33:31 GMT -5
My original response said that I didn't understand why it had to double. I stand by that question. Tony, you yourself said it may not have to double, but increase substantially.
Let's say they increased their bball budget by 75% - that wouldn't be double. Do you think the travel costs alone would force them to raise an additional 1.7m? I'm curious. I don't write travel budgets for collegiate teams.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2013 11:56:59 GMT -5
I still find it odd that the MAAC added 2 additional teams w/ only 1 departure. It almost appears like they prepared ahead of time for another vacancy. Maybe Siena to the A10. I also heard Marist would like to move to the Patriot at some point.
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Post by lmnop22 on Apr 15, 2013 12:26:06 GMT -5
The thing is I think Davidson has the money to do it....they might not have had to increase their basketball budget substantially for whatever reasons....they have succeeded far better than Siena has with their current budget. I think the travel will weed itself out with the new revenue streams that they will have by joining the A10. In the end we are seeing a lot of conferences make a lot of weird moves based off of keeping other schools happy and markets. Although it might not fit its geographical footprint with the current A10, I think the conference is looking to expand that footprint (i.e. Big 10 and Rutgers). Does not make sense for a lot of reasons, but yet does make sense in todays expansive times....time will tell for Siena, but I think this is the move Davison has probably been waiting for and the reason why they passed up on the CAA last year....good move for them if they decide to take it
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Post by elshaqtus on Apr 15, 2013 14:02:08 GMT -5
Everything from the Midwest is saying Siena will be getting invited this summer as other schools leave.
A-10 is going to at least 14 teams.
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Post by glen on Apr 15, 2013 15:12:30 GMT -5
If I had to bet I think part of the issue is that we don't want to leave the MAAC this year - probably to avoid a big buyout. I bet if Davidson goes it will be effective this 2013-14 season. I'm still clinging to the hope that we're good to go once the Big East does their thing. I don't care what the A10 does to keep their teams...if the Big East calls, teams are leaving. Similarly, if the A10 calls I don't think the MAAC could do anything to keep us (at least I hope not).
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Post by hankla on Apr 15, 2013 15:15:22 GMT -5
Hockey Guy beat me the punch. If Quinnipiac puts a similar efffort in upgrading bball as they did in hockey they will shortly be contending for a MAAC championship.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2013 15:33:28 GMT -5
Hockey Guy beat me the punch. If Quinnipiac puts a similar efffort in upgrading bball as they did in hockey they will shortly be contending for a MAAC championship. Great, but I think that's a bit off topic! Nobody wants to see Siena out of the MAAC more then me and Im certain that we stand a good chance for the 14-15 season but we have to use this year to get our house in order, purge players reload and recommit to being a solid program with quality kids. This entire Brookins fiasco and the issue with Burdine/Brookins last season is ridiculous. I hope Patsos can straighten this mess out because until then we don't belong in the A10.
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Post by saints73 on Apr 15, 2013 16:23:49 GMT -5
I don't make assumptions about budgetary matters for any school. I also don't assume that they must be at the average in order to be competitive. What does this have to do with your question on why Davidson’s budget has to go up? You showed a clear lack of understanding on how budgetary numbers work at the A10 level. I educated you—I don’t care about your assumptions that being below Average is OK to compete. History shows that over the long term if your budgetary numbers are below average in a conference you usually struggle to stay competitive in your conference. Those are the facts. Your assumption that it doesn’t matter—well everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong they are In support of Tony's earlier point about step-up in budget... sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/davidson-atlantic-10-high-risk-high-reward-step-194808541--ncaab.html
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Post by hooligan on Apr 15, 2013 17:08:23 GMT -5
Do you think D'arg has reached out either directly or through back channels to the A10 or do you think he/the administration are truly taking a wait and see approach? If they aren't being proactive we are doomed to a life of low mid major mediocrity.
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