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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 29, 2013 7:11:37 GMT -5
papi and sienadan must be part owners in Barcelona. What's your love affair w/ this guy. Nine years and not even a sniff from another school. Gotta ask yourself why. He's an ok MAAC level coach. Not someone who can help us on an A10 level and there is no doubt in my mind that's where we are heading. The MAAC added 2 teams and I find that strange, almost like they prepared for another departure in advance. card holding members of the Good ole boy club. if Siena plans on staying in the MAAC ... go ahead... grab Patsos. if they have aspirations of something better, then leave the maac behind along with any retreads and move forward with a hot up-and-comer whos last win was probably better than any Patsos has.
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Post by boogie on Mar 29, 2013 12:07:57 GMT -5
papi and sienadan must be part owners in Barcelona. What's your love affair w/ this guy. Nine years and not even a sniff from another school. Gotta ask yourself why. He's an ok MAAC level coach. Not someone who can help us on an A10 level and there is no doubt in my mind that's where we are heading. The MAAC added 2 teams and I find that strange, almost like they prepared for another departure in advance. card holding members of the Good ole boy club. if Siena plans on staying in the MAAC ... go ahead... grab Patsos. if they have aspirations of something better, then leave the maac behind along with any retreads and move forward with a hot up-and-comer whos last win was probably better than any Patsos has. Said this already, hire Patsos if you want to stay in the MAAC and keep doing what you're doing.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Mar 29, 2013 15:07:03 GMT -5
I don't get this notion that one candidate is good for the A-10 and another candidate is good for the MAAC. You need to look at what the candidate brings to his program, not what his program has been able to do. We expected Fran to do better at Siena than he did at UNC Greensboro--and he did. Likewise, we would expect either one of Toole or Patsos to do better at Siena than they've done at their current programs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 15:25:19 GMT -5
I'm getting to the point that I don't care which it is......... Make the choice, sign him up and let him get to work.......
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Post by DelmartianEd on Mar 29, 2013 15:53:46 GMT -5
I'm getting to the point that I don't care which it is......... Make the choice, sign him up and let him get to work....... Yup. We'll find out after Easter. Mike Rhoades is definitely in it too. His brother recently added a bunch of Siena tweeters to his "Mike - Hoops" Twitter list: twitter.com/jrhoadesjr/mike-hoops
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Post by Tony on Mar 29, 2013 16:08:06 GMT -5
I don't get this notion that one candidate is good for the A-10 and another candidate is good for the MAAC. You need to look at what the candidate brings to his program, not what his program has been able to do. We expected Fran to do better at Siena than he did at UNC Greensboro--and he did. Likewise, we would expect either one of Toole or Patsos to do better at Siena than they've done at their current programs. +1..good post..and all 3 candidates have good points-- really a good pool to choose from
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 29, 2013 16:18:42 GMT -5
My thing with Patsos is we've already seen how well he can recruit at the MAAC level. And outside of a few transfers that got him his only two 20 win seasons in 9 tries, what makes anyone thing he'll recruit better at a different school in the same league? I just don't see how Patsos suddenly scores much better players at Siena than he did at Loyola.
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Post by MTS on Mar 29, 2013 16:41:01 GMT -5
My thing with Patsos is we've already seen how well he can recruit at the MAAC level. And outside of a few transfers that got him his only two 20 win seasons in 9 tries, what makes anyone thing he'll recruit better at a different school in the same league? I just don't see how Patsos suddenly scores much better players at Siena than he did at Loyola. TUC and better facilities. Media coverage, fan support and winning history and tradition. Siena has a lot more to sell than Loyola does. A bigger budget to work with (in MAAC or in A10 if we go) Also easier to recruit without Loyola's tough admission standards.
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 29, 2013 17:17:23 GMT -5
My thing with Patsos is we've already seen how well he can recruit at the MAAC level. And outside of a few transfers that got him his only two 20 win seasons in 9 tries, what makes anyone thing he'll recruit better at a different school in the same league? I just don't see how Patsos suddenly scores much better players at Siena than he did at Loyola. TUC and better facilities. Media coverage, fan support and winning history and tradition. Siena has a lot more to sell than Loyola does. A bigger budget to work with (in MAAC or in A10 if we go) Also easier to recruit without Loyola's tough admission standards. If those intangibles were all it took for a coach to be successful and Siena, Mitch would still be the coach. I don't expect them to elevate Patsos to a new level of excellence. Loyola's hoops budget was right behind Siena's - the difference was minimal. As for Loyola's tough admission standards being a hindrance, please. Their standards do not apply to their athletes: Patsos, who signed a five-year contract extension this spring after leading Loyola to its first NCAA men’s basketball tournament since 1994, said that one of every three players he brings in each year is considered a risk academically, he said.articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-08-29/sports/bal-loyola-will-leave-maac-for-patriot-league-starting-in-201314-20120829_1_patriot-league-jimmy-patsos-joe-boylan
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Post by sienadan on Mar 29, 2013 18:21:13 GMT -5
Patsos finished ahead of Siena, or tied with Siena, in 6 of his 9 seasons at Loyola. And had a legit title contending team in 4 or 5 of those years.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 29, 2013 18:28:26 GMT -5
No. Thanks.
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Post by indian82 on Mar 29, 2013 18:31:51 GMT -5
Patsos finished ahead of Siena, or tied with Siena, in 6 of his 9 seasons at Loyola. And had a legit title contending team in 4 or 5 of those years. I'm guessing just one of those season was against a coach not named Lanier or Buonaguoro. You may question the point oif that but I do think it's significant. I like Patsos and think he's done a decent job at Loyola, I just don't think he's set the world on fire there. I want more than zero regular season titles and two 20 win seasons in 9 years.
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Post by sienadan on Mar 29, 2013 18:50:15 GMT -5
Patsos finished ahead of Siena, or tied with Siena, in 6 of his 9 seasons at Loyola. And had a legit title contending team in 4 or 5 of those years. I'm guessing just one of those season was against a coach not named Lanier or Buonaguoro. You may question the point oif that but I do think it's significant. I like Patsos and think he's done a decent job at Loyola, I just don't think he's set the world on fire there. I want more than zero regular season titles and two 20 win seasons in 9 years. I believe he outdid or tied Fran 2 or 3 times. "Set the world on fire" - LOL. Does anyone remember what Scott Hicks and Dino Gaudio did to that Loyola program before Patsos got there? Patsos is like 20 games over .500 and over .500 in the MAAC since taking over the worst program in the country. I would say Toole is the one who has many, many more questions than Patsos - took over a veteran club, has not had to build a program, has had no pressure to fundraise and has choked away all 3 NEC Tournaments he has coached in. I like both guys, just lean toward Patsos more - I think he brings much more to the table across the entirety of a program.
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Post by Tony on Mar 29, 2013 19:03:21 GMT -5
I like both guys too..I just lean Andy's way ..and to tell you the truth Rhodes intrigues me also, probably the biggest gamble but might have the biggest payoff
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Post by Sienafan on Mar 29, 2013 19:08:47 GMT -5
Patsos finished ahead of Siena, or tied with Siena, in 6 of his 9 seasons at Loyola. And had a legit title contending team in 4 or 5 of those years. No he didn't. That has happened only 4 times in his 9 seasons. He finished ahead of Siena in 2004-2005 in Lanier's last season, when Siena came in last (Loyola was 9th). Loyola never finished ahead of Siena again after that until Mitch's 3 seasons. You think finishing ahead of Mitch and Rob Lanier during 4 of their miserable seasons is a notable accomplishment you want to hire a coach based on? A team coached by you could have done that.
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