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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 2, 2024 14:03:44 GMT -5
Siena is known for basketball in the area. When one says college basketball, the conversation turns to Siena. I go to sectional basketball games, wearing my Siena gear, and I always get comments about the Saints and mostly head shaking this year. Siena knows they are losing the fan base, or have lost the fan base.
The admin knows they CANNOT let the program go thru a 2024-2025 season like the last one or they will never get the base back. MVP has gone from crowds of 5-6000 and pure excitement to 1500 with yawns and an early exit on a good night. They know they MUST re-energize the fan base. I have NO INSIDE information, but I fully expect a major announcement once the season ends, an announcement that says, "We want Siena basketball to be relevant once again." - And the only way that fans will respond to that announcement is with MAJOR changes, new energy, and a new approach.
I have been wrong many times in my life, but before the middle of April, I am looking for a new direction announcement - otherwise, Siena can kiss their future in basketball good-bye.
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 2, 2024 15:42:28 GMT -5
I think many people are asking the wrong question. Many are asking "Can Siena afford to buy him out?" The question they should be asking is "Can Siena afford NOT to make changes?"
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Post by MTS on Mar 2, 2024 15:46:21 GMT -5
I think many people are asking the wrong question. Many are asking "Can Siena afford to buy him out?" The question they should be asking is "Can Siena afford NOT to make changes?" 100% and I’ve heard the buyout isn’t even an issue. In that case the only reason you keep him because you truly believe he’s the best person to turn it around which I cannot fathom why you would think that. The program and the talent level has gotten worse every year. |
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 2, 2024 15:52:22 GMT -5
I think many people are asking the wrong question. Many are asking "Can Siena afford to buy him out?" The question they should be asking is "Can Siena afford NOT to make changes?" 100% and I’ve heard the buyout isn’t even an issue. In that case the only reason you keep him because you truly believe he’s the best person to turn it around which I cannot fathom why you would think that. The program and the talent level has gotten worse every year. Sadly, agreed. There is NO EXCITEMENT about the Capital Region about Siena. Siena was the talk of the town from November thru March. No longer. Another year of this stuff and it is back to campus and drop to D-3 level. |
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Post by $cott on Mar 2, 2024 16:11:31 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 2, 2024 16:25:44 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. What scared them was Fran’s success. It’s almost as if they’ve been deliberately trying to tamp down fan expectations and keep this program small, manageable and as local as possible. |
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 2, 2024 16:31:14 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. What scared them was Fran’s success. It’s almost as if they’ve been deliberately trying to tamp down fan expectations and keep this program small, manageable and as local as possible. That makes absolutely no sense at all! The failures of the years since Fran left comes down to one primary thing...the incompetence of D'Arg. His best days are behind him. College Athletics have passed him by and he needs to go too! |
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 2, 2024 16:39:41 GMT -5
What scared them was Fran’s success. It’s almost as if they’ve been deliberately trying to tamp down fan expectations and keep this program small, manageable and as local as possible. That makes absolutely no sense at all! The failures of the years since Fran left comes down to one primary thing...the incompetence of D'Arg. His best days are behind him. College Athletics have passed him by and he needs to go too! Makes perfect sense. With Fran’s success came high expectations, talk of conference realignment-a move to the A10-bigger budgets etc…. This program has never had these kind of aspirations. They play pretend with the big arena and talk the talk but never walk the walk. If this program was invested in its hoops program they would have pulled the trigger on Pitino! There’s always been internal tension with educators and the allocation of funds. This is how and why Darg is allowed to operate the way he does and the reason we’ve hired more Mitch’s Patsos’s and Carm’s without serious search committees. Unfortunately Fran was a unicorn (I believe found by a national search committee). If im not mistaken he was also the last coach hired outside Siena’s usual Darg run sham search process. Carm was DArg’s wet dream. Unfortunately Carm $hit the bed. No one is this incompetent for what is soon closing in on 15 years and allowed to continue unless your bosses approve. |
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Post by MTS on Mar 2, 2024 17:56:20 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. Yeah I really don’t think so. A successful men’s basketball program is worth a lot of free advertisement for new students. They can be more selective with applicants. And I don’t believe Fran’s success scared them either. It’s Occam’s razor. There’s no grand conspiracy you just have an AD over his head. Father Kevin Mullen (a HUGE supporter of basketball) hired both Mitch and Jimmy. If you had a top AD who was trusted the president would not have gone over the AD’s head. Carm was hired because they wanted to keep the team together after Jamion bolted. He never would’ve gotten the job otherwise. The worst is the ridiculous extensions. Make the damn NCAA tournament before you get extended! |
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Post by gradfan on Mar 2, 2024 18:56:07 GMT -5
What will Siena lose if they don’t make a change?
1. 3000 season tickets next year
2. Donations from alumni who love Siena basketball
3. Lower number of applicants thinking of applying to Siena
Does anyone think those losses from just these 3 would be less than Carm’s salary? Foolish to sit on the sidelines! Time for Chuck to step up and fire the AD and coach.
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Post by $cott on Mar 2, 2024 19:51:12 GMT -5
What will Siena lose if they don’t make a change? 1. 3000 season tickets next year 2. Donations from alumni who love Siena basketball 3. Lower number of applicants thinking of applying to Siena Does anyone think those losses from just these 3 would be less than Carm’s salary? Foolish to sit on the sidelines! Time for Chuck to step up and fire the AD and coach. 1. I'm not sure if Siena actually has any more than 3,000 legit season ticket holders so you are likely assuming that every single one leaves which isn't going to happen. You always have the diehard fans like Indian Saint that are going to stick with the program no matter what and God bless them for that. I'm that way with the Bills and probably would be if I were a Siena alumni too. 2. I honestly don't know about the impact of alumni donations and how that compares to corporate sponsors. If corporate sponsors start pulling out of deals with the MVP because of this then the pressure will start to be applied to Siena. My guess though is that sponsors are in it for more than just Siena basketball and have already factored in the ups and downs of the various MVP tenants into their decision to sponsor. It would take an alumni with a lot of money to explicitly say they have hundreds of thousands of dollars to donate only if Carm is gone for them to actually have influence. And honestly, wouldn't we rather just suffer through one more terrible year and have those hundreds of thousands going to the NIL war chest anyways? 3. I don't think the Carm decision will have any impact on the number of applicants. The sooner they replace him the closer they will come to a point that the basketball program starts drawing in applicants but that is going to be several years down the line and only happens if they make the right hire. |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 2, 2024 21:24:47 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. With Manhattan College athletics having a combined deficit of $50+ mil over 4 budget cycles you may not be to far off the mark |
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Post by hardwood on Mar 3, 2024 7:55:50 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. We’ll know for sure if Carm is given his 2 years, if so the commitment to sports is probably not a priority. Time will tell but I’m an impatient person who needs answers. You can get a coach who can provide Carm results for a third his salary. |
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Post by gorvy on Mar 3, 2024 16:34:59 GMT -5
I think the admin shit their pants when the St Rose news broke and now are terrified to be seen as wasting money on something silly like athletics. I really hope I'm wrong but I don't think basketball is a priority anymore, salvation and covering their asses for things that could look like a waste of money if the school goes under is all they care about. We’ll know for sure if Carm is given his 2 years, if so the commitment to sports is probably not a priority. Time will tell but I’m an impatient person who needs answers. You can get a coach who can provide Carm results for a third his salary. I could get his results for free. |
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Post by hardwood on Mar 3, 2024 16:46:01 GMT -5
We’ll know for sure if Carm is given his 2 years, if so the commitment to sports is probably not a priority. Time will tell but I’m an impatient person who needs answers. You can get a coach who can provide Carm results for a third his salary. I could get his results for free. True, but would you do it for free? |
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