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Post by siena2003 on Feb 26, 2024 18:01:09 GMT -5
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Post by gorvy on Feb 27, 2024 5:20:20 GMT -5
I couldn't get to the ops article but here is likely a similar article. www.si.com/college/2024/02/25/espn-jay-bilas-emphatically-blasts-ncaa-tournament-expansion-proposalWhile I agree with everything he said regarding access, he doesn't say what the harm would be. Not sure what that would be either. They already have a ridiculous number, 68. No team outside of seed 8 has ever won, and that was one time over 35 years ago, so what is the difference between 68 and 96? To me, it doesn't dilute the tournament any more than it already is and you would have better overall matchups in the round of 64. If someone wants to point out the harm I'd listen. And don't say academics, that went out the door years ago these are pros now. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 27, 2024 9:52:38 GMT -5
just can the NIT, take those 32 and put them into the dance...............even more so now because the NIT has changed their format yet again, this way those teams that typically were on the bubble and/or have won their reg season conference but fell short in the tournament get a well deserved ticket to the dance..............96 teams is just fine, and as I have mentioned many times before, TV and fans would eat this up PLUS it gives many more venues like MVP Arena an opportunity to host games......isn't that what we all want.......times are a changing.............
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Post by SIENA1971 on Feb 27, 2024 10:15:19 GMT -5
This plan basically is rolling NIT level teams into the Big Dance thus generating CBS Tourney money rather than ESPN+ money … if NIT still survives ithis scheme practically guarantees a post conference tourney game for half the country along with the chance to be a Cinderella
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Post by sienabkenny on Feb 27, 2024 13:14:06 GMT -5
This plan basically is rolling NIT level teams into the Big Dance thus generating CBS Tourney money rather than ESPN+ money … if NIT still survives ithis scheme practically guarantees a post conference tourney game for half the country along with the chance to be a Cinderella In a perfect world, I would have a week break after conference tourneys and make the NIT a 32 team play in to the real tournament of 64. On selection Sunday the committee can pick the 60 teams who are firmly in the tourney. Then the NIT picks 32 teams that will play. The final 4 teams remaining in the NIT are the last 4 teams in the big dance. It’s the best way to preserve the NIT and not dilute the NCAA tourney. A City that has multiple sites would be ideal for a tourney like this so Las Vegas would make perfect sense. So for instance this year you could play Friday, March 22nd, 32 teams- 16 games- 4 sites Saturday, March 23rd, 16 teams- 8 games- 2 sites Sunday, March 24th, 8 teams- 4 games - 1 site The 4 winners advance to the field of 64 or you could have them play in Dayton to get in the field of 64 but I also think this could replace Dayton. You would probably have to move the calendar up a week to make sure the Final Four is over before the masters but I think that can be done. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 27, 2024 16:34:19 GMT -5
This plan basically is rolling NIT level teams into the Big Dance thus generating CBS Tourney money rather than ESPN+ money … if NIT still survives ithis scheme practically guarantees a post conference tourney game for half the country along with the chance to be a Cinderella In a perfect world, I would have a week break after conference tourneys and make the NIT a 32 team play in to the real tournament of 64. On selection Sunday the committee can pick the 60 teams who are firmly in the tourney. Then the NIT picks 32 teams that will play. The final 4 teams remaining in the NIT are the last 4 teams in the big dance. It’s the best way to preserve the NIT and not dilute the NCAA tourney. A City that has multiple sites would be ideal for a tourney like this so Las Vegas would make perfect sense. So for instance this year you could play Friday, March 22nd, 32 teams- 16 games- 4 sites Saturday, March 23rd, 16 teams- 8 games- 2 sites Sunday, March 24th, 8 teams- 4 games - 1 site The 4 winners advance to the field of 64 or you could have them lay in Dayton to get in tourney but I also think this could replace Dayton. You would probably have to move the calendar up a week to make sure the Final Four is over before the masters but I think that’s doable. the NIT unfortunately has lost all the luster, and it isn't even played at MSG anymore, thus let it die a peaceful death............no way should there be an extra event to extend the college hoop season before getting to the big dance, the NCAA is definitely against that.......the expansion of the NCAA field is the more viable scenario and only takes 1 extra weekend............. |
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Post by sienabkenny on Feb 27, 2024 17:46:44 GMT -5
In a perfect world, I would have a week break after conference tourneys and make the NIT a 32 team play in to the real tournament of 64. On selection Sunday the committee can pick the 60 teams who are firmly in the tourney. Then the NIT picks 32 teams that will play. The final 4 teams remaining in the NIT are the last 4 teams in the big dance. It’s the best way to preserve the NIT and not dilute the NCAA tourney. A City that has multiple sites would be ideal for a tourney like this so Las Vegas would make perfect sense. So for instance this year you could play Friday, March 22nd, 32 teams- 16 games- 4 sites Saturday, March 23rd, 16 teams- 8 games- 2 sites Sunday, March 24th, 8 teams- 4 games - 1 site The 4 winners advance to the field of 64 or you could have them lay in Dayton to get in tourney but I also think this could replace Dayton. You would probably have to move the calendar up a week to make sure the Final Four is over before the masters but I think that’s doable. the NIT unfortunately has lost all the luster, and it isn't even played at MSG anymore, thus it get die a peaceful death............no way should there be an extra event to extend the college hoop season before getting to the big dance, the NCAA is definitely against that.......the expansion of the NCAA field is the more viable scenario and only takes 1 extra weekend............. What I proposed would also only take 1 extra weekend. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 27, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
the NIT unfortunately has lost all the luster, and it isn't even played at MSG anymore, thus it get die a peaceful death............no way should there be an extra event to extend the college hoop season before getting to the big dance, the NCAA is definitely against that.......the expansion of the NCAA field is the more viable scenario and only takes 1 extra weekend............. What I proposed would also only take 1 extra weekend. I see what your saying now..........but if you look at the 96 team NCAA bracket, it already has built in first round type playin games...........but with a caveat, you are likely to get a team say from the MAAC that might get paired against a power conference team that isn't ranked and thus an opportunity to knock them off at a neutral site.....possible to get many more upsets........ |
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Post by sienabkenny on Feb 27, 2024 18:31:43 GMT -5
What I proposed would also only take 1 extra weekend. I see what your saying now..........but if you look at the 96 team NCAA bracket, it already has built in first round type playin games...........but with a caveat, you are likely to get a team say from the MAAC that might get paired against a power conference team that isn't ranked and thus an opportunity to knock them off at a neutral site.....possible to get many more upsets........ Yeah the 96 team tournament would work.We’re basically on the same page regarding giving more teams access to the tourney. I guess my proposal is sort of a compromise between expanding the tournament and keeping the status quo. By making the NIT a play-in you separate the MARCH MADNESS brand from the opening rounds. You don’t necessarily have to call this the NIT, I just thought it was an easy way of separating it from the NCAA tourney as a brand because many people want to keep the field more or less as is. |
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Post by $cott on Feb 28, 2024 6:47:18 GMT -5
What I proposed would also only take 1 extra weekend. I see what your saying now..........but if you look at the 96 team NCAA bracket, it already has built in first round type playin games...........but with a caveat, you are likely to get a team say from the MAAC that might get paired against a power conference team that isn't ranked and thus an opportunity to knock them off at a neutral site.....possible to get many more upsets........ Is anyone actually getting that excited though if a good MAAC team beat an Oklahoma State team that went 6-12 in conference play? Cause that is what the bulk of the additional teams that get in would be. I still think the brackets are too big of a draw to expand to 96 teams. The 64 team bracket fits nicely printed out on one page and is right at the limit of how many games the casual fan has the patience to pick winners for. Note that with the expansion to 68 virtually no pools actually have you pick the winners of the 4 play in games. Expanding to 96 potentially ruins the novelty of the bracket driving away casual fans, dilutes the quality of the early round games, and will lead to viewer fatigue from too many damn games to watch. All that just to add a bunch of losing teams from the Power 5 conferences to the tournament? I don't get it. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 28, 2024 9:44:26 GMT -5
I see what your saying now..........but if you look at the 96 team NCAA bracket, it already has built in first round type playin games...........but with a caveat, you are likely to get a team say from the MAAC that might get paired against a power conference team that isn't ranked and thus an opportunity to knock them off at a neutral site.....possible to get many more upsets........ Is anyone actually getting that excited though if a good MAAC team beat an Oklahoma State team that went 6-12 in conference play? Cause that is what the bulk of the additional teams that get in would be. I still think the brackets are too big of a draw to expand to 96 teams. The 64 team bracket fits nicely printed out on one page and is right at the limit of how many games the casual fan has the patience to pick winners for. Note that with the expansion to 68 virtually no pools actually have you pick the winners of the 4 play in games. Expanding to 96 potentially ruins the novelty of the bracket driving away casual fans, dilutes the quality of the early round games, and will lead to viewer fatigue from too many damn games to watch. All that just to add a bunch of losing teams from the Power 5 conferences to the tournament? I don't get it. um, the clear precise answer to some of your questions.............is YES, over the history of the MAAC you can't count too many victories in the NCAA tournament, damn straight any school would be excited on a win and even better against a power conference school they put that in their pocket because they aren't likely to get a better chance of knocking them off.............the added teams are NIT worthy that just missed out, thus the extension makes sense and yet they still have a prelim round to advance (only the top 8 seeds get byes in the 96 team bracket)...........as to the growth of the bracket, sorry but that isn't stopping pools or gamblers or the hardcore college basketball fan, they would eat it up as would the networks that pay huge money to televise it.....no fatigue at all, the excitement for any of the schools that make it would not diminish one bit, imho.......... |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 28, 2024 18:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by saintsfan12 on Feb 29, 2024 23:06:46 GMT -5
If it includes the regular season champion from every conference, I'm all for it.
Conference tournament auto-bids were a mistake. Ivy League was the only that had it right but even they eventually surrendered to financial temptation
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 1, 2024 12:28:53 GMT -5
If it includes the regular season champion from every conference, I'm all for it. Conference tournament auto-bids were a mistake. Ivy League was the only that had it right but even they eventually surrendered to financial temptation that was the way it was from the very beginning, although each conference still has the final say as to "how" they want their league represented in the NCAA tournament, but now all choose to run a post season tournament to determine the bid because of the almighty dollar that comes with such events.............it really contradicts all that is logical, I mean you play a full reg season in conference, and basically if you finish first for going through the long grind you get absolutely no guarantee of an invite even though you really earned it.......... certainly the power conferences aren't in peril of not making the Big Dance because of their higher rankings/ratings....but we know like the MAAC and many other non-power leagues the top team is at total risk and basically has all the pressure to win their league tournament in order to punch their ticket.......... |
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 1, 2024 14:34:20 GMT -5
If it includes the regular season champion from every conference, I'm all for it. Conference tournament auto-bids were a mistake. Ivy League was the only that had it right but even they eventually surrendered to financial temptation that was the way it was from the very beginning, although each conference still has the final say as to "how" they want their league represented in the NCAA tournament, but now all choose to run a post season tournament to determine the bid because of the almighty dollar that comes with such events.............it really contradicts all that is logical, I mean you play a full reg season in conference, and basically if you finish first for going through the long grind you get absolutely no guarantee of an invite even though you really earned it.......... certainly the power conferences aren't in peril of not making the Big Dance because of their higher rankings/ratings....but we know like the MAAC and many other non-power leagues the top team is at total risk and basically has all the pressure to win their league tournament in order to punch their ticket.......... Actually a team that doesn’t finish top of their conference but wins its tournament is a more valued Cinderella giving the pundits more to hype in the early rounds… makes for better TV ratings … isn’t that what’s it all about |
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