NIL Ruling

[CellarRat]

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[billmurray]

The wild west has become the Wild Wild West. No rules and no laws and no order. Total anarchy.

I can see some players forgoing the NFL and NBA drafts to make more money at the college level. Certainly in women's basketball, but with no constrains, Football and men's basketball could be impacted as well. The GLeague will look like MAAC basketball.

[bluegold85]

Feb 24, 2024 13:47:23 GMT -5 billmurray said:

The wild west has become the Wild Wild West. No rules and no laws and no order. Total anarchy.

It actually a good thing that will push the NCAA to finally figure out how the manage athletes as employees/professionals, collectively bargain with them, and allow schools to sign contracts that would include buyouts like you have with coaches.  These contracts will also be a hedge against the transfer portal and allow schools to bring NIL in house, and tie it to scholarship, cost of attendance and Alston money. Once the NCAA finally gives up on expensive, wasteful litigation, and ends its lobbying for an antitrust exemption we can shift the model completely and get out of the current wild west.  You might even see things like a conference salary cap to control player compensation, especially with P4 schools.  We can also get a new governing body for D1 basketball and figure out how this all works without crushing smaller schools and compromising non-revenue sports.

[billmurray]

Feb 24, 2024 13:58:53 GMT -5 bluegold85 said:

Feb 24, 2024 13:47:23 GMT -5 billmurray said:

The wild west has become the Wild Wild West. No rules and no laws and no order. Total anarchy.

It actually a good thing that will push the NCAA to finally figure out how the manage athletes as employees/professionals, collectively bargain with them, and allow schools to sign contracts that would include buyouts like you have with coaches.  These contracts will also be a hedge against the transfer portal and allow schools to bring NIL in house, and tie it to scholarship, cost of attendance and Alston money. Once the NCAA finally gives up on expensive, wasteful litigation, and ends its lobbying for an antitrust exemption we can shift the model completely and get out of the current wild west.  You might even see things like a conference salary cap to control player compensation, especially with P4 schools.  We can also get a new governing body for D1 basketball and figure out how this all works without crushing smaller schools and compromising non-revenue sports.

That isn't the way I read the ruling. Players negotiate directly with boosters or collectives of boosters and not with the schools or monitored or regulated by the NCAA member schools. If my reading is correct, the Head Coach while an employee of the school could work directly with boosters and collectives on recruiting and use NIL deals as enticement to sign with his school. If that is the way the final judgement goes the NCAA and the schools are out of the loop, unless the school constrains the HC's interactions with the boosters and if that is the case, the program will lose recruits to programs that are not so constrained.

[siena88]

Who does the head coach now work for?

[hardwood]

Having a season like this sure won’t help Siena. If it was a great season someone could see ponying up but with a coaching question mark it’s gonna get ugly. Will all D1 schools stay in this free for all? Will it be spread through all divisions? So many moving parts.

[saints15]

From what I understand this just means that the school and collective can include NIL in the recruiting process, where before it wasn’t SUPPOSED to be tied together. I said it months ago, where this all leads is schools will sign kids to contracts (either single or multiple years) and if they transfer before the term of the contract runs out they will have to sit until it does (unless the school they are leaving agrees to a buyout). That would be a good thing since it will add a little stability.

[bluegold85]

Feb 24, 2024 14:13:01 GMT -5 billmurray said:

Feb 24, 2024 13:58:53 GMT -5 bluegold85 said:

It actually a good thing that will push the NCAA to finally figure out how the manage athletes as employees/professionals, collectively bargain with them, and allow schools to sign contracts that would include buyouts like you have with coaches.  These contracts will also be a hedge against the transfer portal and allow schools to bring NIL in house, and tie it to scholarship, cost of attendance and Alston money. Once the NCAA finally gives up on expensive, wasteful litigation, and ends its lobbying for an antitrust exemption we can shift the model completely and get out of the current wild west.  You might even see things like a conference salary cap to control player compensation, especially with P4 schools.  We can also get a new governing body for D1 basketball and figure out how this all works without crushing smaller schools and compromising non-revenue sports.

That isn't the way I read the ruling. Players negotiate directly with boosters or collectives of boosters and not with the schools or monitored or regulated by the NCAA member schools. If my reading is correct, the Head Coach while an employee of the school could work directly with boosters and collectives on recruiting and use NIL deals as enticement to sign with his school. If that is the way the final judgement goes the NCAA and the schools are out of the loop, unless the school constrains the HC's interactions with the boosters and if that is the case, the program will lose recruits to programs that are not so constrained.

I think you are reading it correctly, I simply meant that this was another step towards that ultimate professional model that the NCAA should have been working to establish years ago.

[SIENA1971]

Larger schools will be adding a General Manager to athletic department… below is Baker Dunleavy’s responsibilities at Villanova

The General Manager supports William B. Finneran Endowed Men’s Head Coach Kyle Neptune and Women’s Head Coach Denise Dillon in managing a myriad of responsibilities that impact both programs, including opportunities and education around Name, Image and Likeness; the transfer portal; student-athlete brand-building and marketing; and advancing institutional fundraising in partnership with University Advancement. The General Manager reports directly to the Vice President and Director of Athletics.

[billmurray]

Feb 25, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Larger schools will be adding a General Manager to athletic department… below is Baker Dunleavy’s responsibilities at Villanova

The General Manager supports William B. Finneran Endowed Men’s Head Coach Kyle Neptune and Women’s Head Coach Denise Dillon in managing a myriad of responsibilities that impact both programs, including opportunities and education around Name, Image and Likeness; the transfer portal; student-athlete brand-building and marketing; and advancing institutional fundraising in partnership with University Advancement. The General Manager reports directly to the Vice President and Director of Athletics.

The NBA is considering a model similar to the European pro leagues where they have “junior” / youth leagues that develop players and the players are part of that teams program and not affiliated with any college. The NBA draft is full of foreign players developed this way.

[hardwood]

Feb 25, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Larger schools will be adding a General Manager to athletic department… below is Baker Dunleavy’s responsibilities at Villanova

The General Manager supports William B. Finneran Endowed Men’s Head Coach Kyle Neptune and Women’s Head Coach Denise Dillon in managing a myriad of responsibilities that impact both programs, including opportunities and education around Name, Image and Likeness; the transfer portal; student-athlete brand-building and marketing; and advancing institutional fundraising in partnership with University Advancement. The General Manager reports directly to the Vice President and Director of Athletics.

That position should pay more than head coach. That’s a lot of responsibilities. 

[musicman]

Feb 25, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Larger schools will be adding a General Manager to athletic department… below is Baker Dunleavy’s responsibilities at Villanova

The General Manager supports William B. Finneran Endowed Men’s Head Coach Kyle Neptune and Women’s Head Coach Denise Dillon in managing a myriad of responsibilities that impact both programs, including opportunities and education around Name, Image and Likeness; the transfer portal; student-athlete brand-building and marketing; and advancing institutional fundraising in partnership with University Advancement. The General Manager reports directly to the Vice President and Director of Athletics.

WoW! Sounds very complicated and stressful. Certainly must give cause for individuals to think twice about being in or staying in the profession. Nothing is simple in this world we live in any more.

[hardwood]

Feb 27, 2024 14:04:21 GMT -5 musicman said:

Feb 25, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5 SIENA1971 said:

Larger schools will be adding a General Manager to athletic department… below is Baker Dunleavy’s responsibilities at Villanova

The General Manager supports William B. Finneran Endowed Men’s Head Coach Kyle Neptune and Women’s Head Coach Denise Dillon in managing a myriad of responsibilities that impact both programs, including opportunities and education around Name, Image and Likeness; the transfer portal; student-athlete brand-building and marketing; and advancing institutional fundraising in partnership with University Advancement. The General Manager reports directly to the Vice President and Director of Athletics.

WoW! Sounds very complicated and stressful. Certainly must give cause for individuals to think twice about being in or staying in the profession. Nothing is simple in this world we live in any more.

Obviously the KISS model has been replaced and making everything so complex you need advisors to navigate the waters seems the new norm.