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[siena2003]

Facts: Every league/ team (national & international) has seen their ratings tank over anthem protests.

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[Papi]

How does the MAGA family or recruit react to such actions?

[IndianSaint]

Jan 5, 2021 9:50:09 GMT -5 Papi said:

How does the MAGA family or recruit react to such actions?

I would say it all depends on the individual and/or their family values. If someone or some family member has strong views one way or another then it could come into play.

The good thing I see with Carm & staff is that they appear to always be actively recruiting (not suggesting they’re trying to recruit over anyone rather they’re recruiting for 2021. 2022, 2023, and maybe still are aware of people who could fill in in the event someone leaves early.

It doesn’t bother me if we lose out on any individuals who are opposed to what they see going on during warmups of the anthem, of course maybe my opinion would change if Siena were losing and the coach wasn’t very good and we’re losing out on all types of players for multiple reasons.

[indian82]

Jan 5, 2021 8:51:44 GMT -5 IndianSaint said:

Jan 4, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -5 Papi said:

What's the feeling of knelling and the BLM shirts? I think it's a little too much.

I don’t know what to think, my brain hurts trying to think about everyday things and my CPU is so outdated the updates don’t work anymore so I’m having trouble processing new information,

I guess that it was only a matter of time when it trickled down from the pros to college ball.

I’m not upset with any of this; heck it’s no different (wearing/advertising your feelings) from when teams/players were a patch for a fallen player/coach on their uniform. The only difference I can tell is more people have an opinion over the different causes/protest subjects.

If it’s allowed for one reason it sort of has to be allow for other reasons otherwise is it really fair to dictate what info if advertised in the uniforms (within ncaa guidelines of course)?

The kneeling is not what I would prefer, but I have no particular problem with it even though there are many flaws and not sure exactly what people are 'protesting' by kneeling. It is not clear. But because there are some incidents historically, I am not objecting.

Someone here posted that since we watch and follow the players, we have an obligation to hear their voices. I definitely disagree with that. That reasoning would justify other political views and manner of 'protest' if some players decided they had other views they wanted heard and acknowledged. College hoops is NOT a generic forum for those students getting paid (by way of full scholarships) to voice any views they want.

Edit: Re: the kneeling - I know most say the kneeling is not intended to offend either the country, flag or veterans in general. And I don't doubt that (for the most part), but in keeping with the general thought of the last few years, if someone takes offense, then it is real and we must acknowledge that offense and adjust our 'offensive' behavior. That is not happening here, so I see some degree of political hypocrisy.

[Deleted]

I am somewhat shocked that '82 seems to be saying that, since the players are on scholarship, their views don't deserve the same evaluation as any other person, e.g., even those students that are paying their own way...surprising...I still firmly believe the discomfort felt by many at having to face the evil of racism as something real, drives them to take their positions opposing the kneeling. I say those players have every right to express their own feelings and I don't feel their kneeling is disrespectful at all. The kneeling has proven to be the most effective means to get people to recognize and discuss the reason for their protests...that's a plus...perhaps it would be a more meaningful exercise to just internalize what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what can be done to change society for the good and thereby remove the need to kneel...

[indian82]

Jan 5, 2021 20:24:11 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

I am somewhat shocked that '82 seems to be saying that, since the players are on scholarship, their views don't deserve the same evaluation as any other person, e.g., even those students that are paying their own way...surprising...I still firmly believe the discomfort felt by many at having to face the evil of racism as something real, drives them to take their positions opposing the kneeling. I say those players have every right to express their own feelings and I don't feel their kneeling is disrespectful at all. The kneeling has proven to be the most effective means to get people to recognize and discuss the reason for their protests...that's a plus...perhaps it would be a more meaningful exercise to just internalize what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what can be done to change society for the good and thereby remove the need to kneel...

Not sure exactly what you are shocked with what I said. I said several things starting off by stating I DON`T object to what they are doing.

Go back and read what I said I really disagree with and why.

[Deleted]

Jan 5, 2021 22:51:49 GMT -5 indian82 said:

Jan 5, 2021 20:24:11 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

I am somewhat shocked that '82 seems to be saying that, since the players are on scholarship, their views don't deserve the same evaluation as any other person, e.g., even those students that are paying their own way...surprising...I still firmly believe the discomfort felt by many at having to face the evil of racism as something real, drives them to take their positions opposing the kneeling. I say those players have every right to express their own feelings and I don't feel their kneeling is disrespectful at all. The kneeling has proven to be the most effective means to get people to recognize and discuss the reason for their protests...that's a plus...perhaps it would be a more meaningful exercise to just internalize what they are doing, why they are doing it, and what can be done to change society for the good and thereby remove the need to kneel...

Not sure exactly what you are shocked with what I said. I said several things starting off by stating I DON`T object to what they are doing.

Go back and read what I said I really disagree with and why.

Here are your words:
"Someone here posted that since we watch and follow the players, we have an obligation to hear their voices. I definitely disagree with that. That reasoning would justify other political views and manner of 'protest' if some players decided they had other views they wanted heard and acknowledged. College hoops is NOT a generic forum for those students getting paid (by way of full scholarships) to voice any views they want."

[gorvy]

I read that to mean that just because we watch these college basketball players, it doesn't mean that we have to listen or evaluate their political views. The only sentence I didn't understand was his second one.

[indian82]

Jan 6, 2021 5:52:36 GMT -5 @misspractice said:

Jan 5, 2021 22:51:49 GMT -5 indian82 said:

Not sure exactly what you are shocked with what I said. I said several things starting off by stating I DON`T object to what they are doing.

Go back and read what I said I really disagree with and why.

Here are your words:
"Someone here posted that since we watch and follow the players, we have an obligation to hear their voices. I definitely disagree with that. That reasoning would justify other political views and manner of 'protest' if some players decided they had other views they wanted heard and acknowledged. College hoops is NOT a generic forum for those students getting paid (by way of full scholarships) to voice any views they want."

Yes. And I still agree with that. I believe the generic statement was that as fans we have an obligation to listen to the players on a college basketball team.
As I said, I don't agree with that blanket statement. Based on that, anything a majority (or even a few vocal number) of players believe in need to be heard.

[IndianSaint]

This puts it in perspective, I’ll take watching someone take a knee in protest versus storming the Capitol Sunday.


www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ff627c3c5b6ef6b1582d4a6/amp

Now tell me is more disrespectful/anti American: taking a knee protesting centuries of oppression during the national anthem or violently storing the Capitol to protest the outcome of a proven not fraudulent election that one person can’t accept and then calls for his supporters to revolt?

[Papi]

Tune in to Vandenburg tomorrow. He and his base all believe the election was stolen and hopefully he will be appalled at the events from today.

[indian82]

Jan 6, 2021 22:38:46 GMT -5 Papi said:

Tune in to Vandenburg tomorrow. He and his base all believe the election was stolen and hopefully he will be appalled at the events from today.

Fill us in with your play by play.

[Deleted]

Curious as to how many of those domestic terrorists carrying American flags as they stormed and desecrated the US Capitol would oppose kneeling during the anthem - answer: ALL OF THEM

[gorvy]

Jan 6, 2021 22:00:38 GMT -5 IndianSaint said:

This puts it in perspective, I’ll take watching someone take a knee in protest versus storming the Capitol Sunday.


www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ff627c3c5b6ef6b1582d4a6/amp

Now tell me is more disrespectful/anti American: taking a knee protesting centuries of oppression during the national anthem or violently storing the Capitol to protest the outcome of a proven not fraudulent election that one person can’t accept and then calls for his supporters to revolt?

To me it's like this. I disapprove of somebody punching another person in the face with their fist. I disapprove of somebody shooting another person in the face with a gun more. That doesn't mean I have to accept either outcome. There has to be another way to raise their objections... as you saw yesterday, rude, disrespectful, and yes violent, anti-American behavior is becoming the norm, and it must be stopped.