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Post by siena2003 on Dec 6, 2020 10:13:18 GMT -5
Sen. Tim Scott: 'Every man, woman, child' should stand for the national anthem.
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Post by IndianSaint on Dec 6, 2020 12:30:31 GMT -5
Sen. Tim Scott: 'Every man, woman, child' should stand for the national anthem. I’m not surprised with his stance/opinion. This appears to be a common theme from many Republicans. Republicans seem to place more emphasis on showing your patriotism and by in their minds “not disrespecting” the flag, anthem, etc. because that’s their view of their version of being patriotic. It’s not wrong, it’s just more right in their beliefs. However, that doesn’t mean other people can’t have opposing opinions and not be “hated on” for their opinions. BYW, I’m a conservative and even I recognize that not everyone will share my values, beliefs, etc. and that’s ok. That’s what makes America Great, we don’t all have to identical beliefs and we’re still free to express ourselves. Of course we all have to abide by the laws otherwise we pay the consequences.
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Post by saints22 on Dec 6, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -5
58,000 American flags covered the bodies of American kids killed in Viet Nam. I was a combat medic with the 1st. Cav. When I came home I was spit on.. .after watching hundreds of my friends die anyone that doesn't stand will get some of my spit. Not standing is a sign that the person doesn't respect themselves. Some of the comments here shos exactly what is wrong with this countty. Thank you for your extraordinary service to both our country and the soldiers you helped in less than ideal situations for sure. There is no excuse for a fellow American to spit on any veteran in any of our wars or peacetime service. Their spitting is disgusting and offers a view into their likely guilt for having not served. I never understood why anyone would take our involvement in any war, popular or not, as a reflection on the troops themselves - draftees or volunteers all stepped up to answer the country's call for help - they didn't start the wars they served in. Agree completely. How anyone could spit on a US soldier/veteran, or abuse that person in any way, is beyond me. Each and every one deserve our thanks and gratitude. I would gladly shake the hand of any American soldier who served in that war. The fact that close to 60,000 US service personnel died in that war is obscene. As IS says in a recent post, he doesn't believe that any of the "national anthem actions (kneeling, sitting, etc.) have anything to do with disrespecting the flag, country, servicemen and women, etc.". He thinks that such actions are a way for people who are protesting to bring their concerns to the attention of others. History is full of such protests, which usually result in angry responses from people who are offended with the protests. When asked why he took a knee during the National Anthem instead of standing, Colin Kaepernick said: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football, and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street, and people are getting paid leave and getting away with murder". I believe that he has a valid point. This country has a long history of oppressing Blacks, and later of oppressing people of other colors, as well as people of various nationalities and ethnicities (Irish, Italians, Hispanics, Asians come immediately to mind). "Oppressing" includes murder, as Kaepernick points out, including as we have seen all too often the killing of Blacks by law enforcement personnel. When will all of this stop? It never will if people don't speak out about it, as Kaepernick and an increasing number of others have done. Many are angry about the method of protest that Kaepernick, and now other professional athletes have chosen, and that is understandable. They feel that the very symbol of their country is being attacked. It isn't. What is being "attacked"/protested is the ongoing unequal treatment of, and oppression of, Blacks and other minorities by too many people in this country, including law enforcement members who happen to carry guns. Look past the kneeling to the reason for the kneeling. If we can resolve those issues, then we can all stand for the flag knowing that it truly represents equal treatment and equal justice for everyone in this country.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 6, 2020 17:22:42 GMT -5
I just think there should be another way that doesn't give the impression or perception that the country is even more divided than we actually are "United we stand". Misspractice gives an excellent example of a creative way that the premier league does it that separates the idea of the national anthem from the real issues facing the country today, (and the world) while providing the same venue to get an effective message across.
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Post by Papi on Dec 14, 2020 12:31:59 GMT -5
Listening to Vandenberg this morning he and his listeners aren't happy with Siena and the idea of them kneeling for national anthem. Some even claimed to stop donating to the school and not buying tickets. I think a moment to reflect before the national anthem might be a better way to go. Going to be hard for the old-timers to see it as anything but disrespect if you don't stand for anthem no matter who it is.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 14, 2020 16:23:57 GMT -5
Listening to Vandenberg this morning he and his listeners aren't happy with Siena and the idea of them kneeling for national anthem. Some even claimed to stop donating to the school and not buying tickets. I think a moment to reflect before the national anthem might be a better way to go. Going to be hard for the old-timers to see it as anything but disrespect if you don't stand for anthem no matter who it is. First, for the simple part - Siena is not unique to this. I'm sure most schools are experiencing the same thing with fans objecting and withholding donations, etc. At a much greater level we have seen that on a national level with the NFL. I have long thought that we could/should have some other manner in which some people could have their views expressed outside the playing of the National Anthem. As you say, maybe a moment of silence to reflect. Most sporting events are ALREADY doing something such as slogans on the court or on unis. That raises the question; would these people who kneel accept a moment of silence (or other symbolic gesture) in exchange for standing for the flag. If not, then you have to question if their INTENT is to somehow 'disrespect' the flag if that's the only way they feel it can be expressed, - at least for some. And you single out 'old timers' as being the ones to view it as disrespecting the flag. I assure you - that crosses all demographics - age, race, sex, socio-economic, political party, etc.
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Post by Papi on Dec 14, 2020 21:59:53 GMT -5
Listening to Vandenberg this morning he and his listeners aren't happy with Siena and the idea of them kneeling for national anthem. Some even claimed to stop donating to the school and not buying tickets. I think a moment to reflect before the national anthem might be a better way to go. Going to be hard for the old-timers to see it as anything but disrespect if you don't stand for anthem no matter who it is. First, for the simple part - Siena is not unique to this. I'm sure most schools are experiencing the same thing with fans objecting and withholding donations, etc. At a much greater level we have seen that on a national level with the NFL. I have long thought that we could/should have some other manner in which some people could have their views expressed outside the playing of the National Anthem. As you say, maybe a moment of silence to reflect. Most sporting events are ALREADY doing something such as slogans on the court or on unis. That raises the question; would these people who kneel accept a moment of silence (or other symbolic gesture) in exchange for standing for the flag. If not, then you have to question if their INTENT is to somehow 'disrespect' the flag if that's the only way they feel it can be expressed, - at least for some. And you single out 'old timers' as being the ones to view it as disrespecting the flag. I assure you - that crosses all demographics - age, race, sex, socio-economic, political party, etc. You're right, I should have included all folks from rural areas.
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Post by indian82 on Dec 15, 2020 17:31:00 GMT -5
First, for the simple part - Siena is not unique to this. I'm sure most schools are experiencing the same thing with fans objecting and withholding donations, etc. At a much greater level we have seen that on a national level with the NFL. I have long thought that we could/should have some other manner in which some people could have their views expressed outside the playing of the National Anthem. As you say, maybe a moment of silence to reflect. Most sporting events are ALREADY doing something such as slogans on the court or on unis. That raises the question; would these people who kneel accept a moment of silence (or other symbolic gesture) in exchange for standing for the flag. If not, then you have to question if their INTENT is to somehow 'disrespect' the flag if that's the only way they feel it can be expressed, - at least for some. And you single out 'old timers' as being the ones to view it as disrespecting the flag. I assure you - that crosses all demographics - age, race, sex, socio-economic, political party, etc. You're right, I should have included all folks from rural areas. Are you saying that only 'old timers' and people from rural areas disagree with kneeling for the Anthem? You should get out more. Talk to many vets and people who have lost somebody defending that flag. Pretty sure they are all not old timers and people from rural areas. Funny how you compartmentalize people who don't agree with your opinion. I guess it helps with your limited world view.
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Post by saints14 on Dec 16, 2020 10:53:14 GMT -5
Listening to Vandenberg this morning he and his listeners aren't happy with Siena and the idea of them kneeling for national anthem. Some even claimed to stop donating to the school and not buying tickets. I think a moment to reflect before the national anthem might be a better way to go. Going to be hard for the old-timers to see it as anything but disrespect if you don't stand for anthem no matter who it is. If Vandenberg is already talking about it it's already a W for the cause. Although I doubt he's discussing the reasons WHY black players feel compelled to kneel, which is sad. How about the flipside - attracting younger, more progressive fans to the team? The fanbase could use more...energy. And recruits for that matter. I would imagine everything Carm is doing with Coaches 4 Change resonates there, but if the school forced the players to stand when they don't want to that would be a bad look.
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Post by Papi on Dec 31, 2020 10:02:27 GMT -5
Vandenberg talking about his station carrying Siena basketball and covering the game Sunday, what a clown, first he had no clue if the game was at Monmouth or Siena, second he's more concerned if they are going to stand or take a knee for the national anthem. He called them characters and couldn't wait to see what they do. He also believes Carm allowing it is bad for Siena and the school should step in and make them stand.
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Post by Papi on Jan 4, 2021 9:15:26 GMT -5
Vandenberg not happy with Siena wearing the BLM shirts and taking a knee for the anthem. Is this a good or bad thing?
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Post by Papi on Jan 4, 2021 19:46:29 GMT -5
What's the feeling of knelling and the BLM shirts? I think it's a little too much.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 4, 2021 22:50:48 GMT -5
I'm fine with the shirts, still don't like the kneeling.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 5, 2021 8:45:14 GMT -5
Vandenberg not happy with Siena wearing the BLM shirts and taking a knee for the anthem. Is this a good or bad thing? It’s a good thing Vandenberg is unhappy. I hope Siena and its fan base could do more to make him even more unhappy. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. 😂. Just kidding. Personally, I don’t cate what he thinks.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 5, 2021 8:51:44 GMT -5
What's the feeling of knelling and the BLM shirts? I think it's a little too much. I don’t know what to think, my brain hurts trying to think about everyday things and my CPU is so outdated the updates don’t work anymore so I’m having trouble processing new information, I guess that it was only a matter of time when it trickled down from the pros to college ball. I’m not upset with any of this; heck it’s no different (wearing/advertising your feelings) from when teams/players wear a patch for a fallen player/coach on their uniform. The only difference I can tell is more people have an opinion over the different causes/protest subjects. If it’s allowed for one reason it sort of has to be allow for other reasons otherwise is it really fair to dictate what info is advertised in the uniforms (within ncaa guidelines of course)?
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