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Post by Tony on Oct 19, 2019 7:18:44 GMT -5
I realize it’s the off season, and what we do is analyze. But truth be told just about impossible to judge Siena vs other MAAC teams –( other than we have best player in conference) So take any analyzation of Siena vs rest of the MAAC with grain of salt. Besides having a new Head coach and system, we have 4 freshmen and 3 upperclassmen that haven’t played a min for Siena. In addition Sammy only played 9 games last year (no MAAC games) and Jimmy Ratliff only played 14 games healthy last season. Basically you can just about throw out all the stats from last year. We can have a fairly good idea on Iona and Rider- Siena is at this point- the great unknown, other than fact I agree talent rises to the top- Siena’s starting 5 “could” be as good as anyone in the MAAC . I’ve been fairly good over the years of having an idea on how good ( or bad) Siena should be – this year with new coach and so many new players even I am in the dark- we can be anywhere from awful ( if Carm bombs) to mid pack- to best team in conference. We have potential to have best backcourt in the MAAC ( feel fairly good about that chance) We should be much and I mean much more athletic than last several years- so Saints do have potential to be very..very good. At very least if Carm can coach we should be fun to watch and root for. And just the presence of Jalen Pickett “should” keep us at or near the top- but even Jalen can’t do it alone, Carm has to prove he can handle being the head man, Don and Elijah have to be as advertised- and we are going to have to get ‘something” out of freshmen. Can’t wait to see it all unfold
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Post by Tony on Oct 19, 2019 8:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:24:19 GMT -5
Kenpom Preseason
Rnk --- Team ------ Offense --- Defense
157 --- Rider --------- 163 --------- 165 183 --- Iona ---------- 112 --------- 263 244 --- Manhattan --- 296 --------- 158 245 --- Siena --------- 282 --------- 187 247 --- Monmouth --- 267 --------- 210 267 --- Quinny ------- 241 --------- 285 276 --- Canisius ----- 278 ---------- 277 278 --- Fairfield ------ 303 --------- 240 316 --- St. Peters ---- 338 --------- 232 327 --- Niagara ------ 291 ---------- 341 338 --- Marist -------- 336 ---------- 319
KK Preseason:
1-Rider 2-Iona (MAAC tourney favorite) 3-Siena 4-Quinny 5-Manhattan 6-Canisius 7-SPU 8-FF 9-Monmouth 10-Niagara 11-Marist
Remember, due to the tourney format...it is very tough now to win as a 3 or 4 seed.
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Post by MTS on Oct 21, 2019 11:07:29 GMT -5
Kenpom Preseason Rnk --- Team ------ Offense --- Defense
157 --- Rider --------- 163 --------- 165 183 --- Iona ---------- 112 --------- 263 244 --- Manhattan --- 296 --------- 158 245 --- Siena --------- 282 --------- 187 247 --- Monmouth --- 267 --------- 210 267 --- Quinny ------- 241 --------- 285 276 --- Canisius ----- 278 ---------- 277 278 --- Fairfield ------ 303 --------- 240 316 --- St. Peters ---- 338 --------- 232 327 --- Niagara ------ 291 ---------- 341 338 --- Marist -------- 336 ---------- 319 KK Preseason: 1-Rider 2-Iona (MAAC tourney favorite) 3-Siena 4-Quinny 5-Manhattan 6-Canisius 7-SPU 8-FF 9-Monmouth 10-Niagara 11-Marist Remember, due to the tourney format...it is very tough now to win as a 3 or 4 seed. How the heck does KenPom have Manhattan third? Siena will finish 100 spots better than their original ranking. Print it.
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Post by Tony on Oct 21, 2019 11:16:02 GMT -5
I agree have to finish 1,st or 2nd—so with that in mind Tony’s preseason MAAC predictions
Iona- still the champs until dethroned – Iona fans very nervous about Siena and rightfully so Siena – tons of potential- but at this point just potential Quinny - Just have a good feeling about them- that all pieces will jive Rider - I know KK likes them- I’m not that impressed – they have a ton of question marks Manhattan – Masiello fighting to keep his job SPC- would have been higher with Ndefo
With new coaches at Niagara, FF, and Dunn only his 2nd at Marist hard to pick the bottom feeders
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Post by Tony on Oct 21, 2019 11:17:35 GMT -5
Kenpom Preseason Rnk --- Team ------ Offense --- Defense
157 --- Rider --------- 163 --------- 165 183 --- Iona ---------- 112 --------- 263 244 --- Manhattan --- 296 --------- 158 245 --- Siena --------- 282 --------- 187 247 --- Monmouth --- 267 --------- 210 267 --- Quinny ------- 241 --------- 285 276 --- Canisius ----- 278 ---------- 277 278 --- Fairfield ------ 303 --------- 240 316 --- St. Peters ---- 338 --------- 232 327 --- Niagara ------ 291 ---------- 341 338 --- Marist -------- 336 ---------- 319 KK Preseason: 1-Rider 2-Iona (MAAC tourney favorite) 3-Siena 4-Quinny 5-Manhattan 6-Canisius 7-SPU 8-FF 9-Monmouth 10-Niagara 11-Marist Remember, due to the tourney format...it is very tough now to win as a 3 or 4 seed. How the heck does KenPom have Manhattan third? Siena will finish 100 spots better than their original ranking. Print it. Ken Pom preseason means absolutely nothing ( other than talking points) - all stats based on last year team-- player losses etc
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 11:27:41 GMT -5
Kenpom Preseason Rnk --- Team ------ Offense --- Defense
157 --- Rider --------- 163 --------- 165 183 --- Iona ---------- 112 --------- 263 244 --- Manhattan --- 296 --------- 158 245 --- Siena --------- 282 --------- 187 247 --- Monmouth --- 267 --------- 210 267 --- Quinny ------- 241 --------- 285 276 --- Canisius ----- 278 ---------- 277 278 --- Fairfield ------ 303 --------- 240 316 --- St. Peters ---- 338 --------- 232 327 --- Niagara ------ 291 ---------- 341 338 --- Marist -------- 336 ---------- 319 KK Preseason: 1-Rider 2-Iona (MAAC tourney favorite) 3-Siena 4-Quinny 5-Manhattan 6-Canisius 7-SPU 8-FF 9-Monmouth 10-Niagara 11-Marist Remember, due to the tourney format...it is very tough now to win as a 3 or 4 seed. How the heck does KenPom have Manhattan third? Siena will finish 100 spots better than their original ranking. Print it. Remember, he's just going off the proven D1 players and also factors in a program average. For example, Rider was 145 2 years go, and Allen was their most inefficient player on both sides last year. He's gone. Guys that are left are more efficient in various stat categories. It's not a perfect system. It isn't that accurate until New Years. I think the ranges of the top 5 go something like this: Rider = 100-210. Iona =120-210. Siena = 100-240 (100 only possible if Harris is solid on offense and things go real well depth wise) Quinny = 150-240 Manhattan = 220-330
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Post by ionaguyf on Oct 21, 2019 13:12:58 GMT -5
Iona fans very nervous about Siena and rightfully so
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Post by MTS on Oct 21, 2019 15:40:10 GMT -5
FWIW here are the KenPom of Siena's OOC opponents:
Xavier - 18 Harvard - 75 Colgate - 115 St. Bona- 127 Bucknell - 142 Yale - 146 American - 199 Holy Cross - 308 Cal Poly - 331
All but two in the top 200. And 6 of the 9 games in the top 150.
Average: 162 ...this schedule is "sneaky" tough.
Love to see 7-2 or 6-3....but would take 5-4.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 15:54:23 GMT -5
FWIW here are the KenPom of Siena's OOC opponents: Xavier - 18 Harvard - 75 Colgate - 115 St. Bona- 127 Bucknell - 142 Yale - 146 American - 199 Holy Cross - 308 Cal Poly - 331 All but two in the top 200. And 6 of the 9 games in the top 150. Average: 162 ...this schedule is "sneaky" tough. Love to see 7-2 or 6-3....but would take 5-4. I'd be happy with 4-6. Beat HC, CP, American, and Bucknell and call it a success. Winning 20 won't be easy.
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Post by mike60 on Oct 21, 2019 15:58:50 GMT -5
I think I missed it, but where does Kenporn have Siena
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Post by rpize24 on Oct 21, 2019 17:09:23 GMT -5
I think I missed it, but where does Kenporn have Siena 245
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Post by dalydoseofhoops on Oct 22, 2019 0:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Oct 22, 2019 3:51:32 GMT -5
Good Write up Jaden- think that's close to what MAAC coaches will pick, although I do think coaches will pick Rider 2nd Quinny 3rd
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Post by IndianSaint on Oct 22, 2019 7:25:25 GMT -5
I think I missed it, but where does Kenporn have Siena Siena isn’t listed on the Kenporn site; we’re a religious college and aren’t allowed to play basketball in the “XXX” rated nude league. Just messing with your typo Mike. I got a chuckle out of it this morning. Of course I must have a sick mind because I picked up on it (typo) too quickly.
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