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Post by Tony on Sept 11, 2019 4:40:42 GMT -5
I wouldn’t worry where we are picked, most of these writers don’t know the MAAC anyhow. Plus we have a new unproven head coach, lost 3 starters off last year’s team- Carey, Burns and Hein haven’t played one minute for Siena. Unlike KK, I don’t think we have no depth, a better way of saying it is unproven depth- fellas we are young- 8 of our 11 scholarship players are freshmen or soph’s
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Post by mike60 on Sept 11, 2019 8:27:28 GMT -5
As my Mom used to say, "The proof of the recipe is in the taste of the pudding."
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Post by mike60 on Sept 11, 2019 9:03:08 GMT -5
I think I got the saying screwed up. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." I'm a little daft, but can still fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 9:06:13 GMT -5
I wouldn’t worry where we are picked, most of these writers don’t know the MAAC anyhow. Plus we have a new unproven head coach, lost 3 starters off last year’s team- Carey, Burns and Hein haven’t played one minute for Siena. Unlike KK, I don’t think we have no depth, a better way of saying it is unproven depth- fellas we are young- 8 of our 11 scholarship players are freshmen or soph’s Yes, Siena has chance for some depth but it's unproven. All others in top 3 have more 'proven depth'. Whether that essence of 'proven' comes from experience in D1, Juco, or just summer games in Canada...there's a little more of it with regard to the depth of those teams at this point. Siena's entire upside is based on defense. Iona and Quinny frankly just don't have it. Rider has it from a possession point of view but not with regards to defensive FG%...which they've struggled with. They also put people on the FT line. If Rider or Siena gets a D, they have the chance to overtake both those teams as long as the offenses are at least mediocre. Gary Harris being a 2-way star could both keep the offense respectable and make the defense solid. He is the most important aspect to this year. Pickett, Carey, Burns, Camper, Friday etc...we kind of have an idea that they can keep this team respectable. But Harris needs to contend for ROY if Siena expects to truly compete for a title.
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Post by MTS on Sept 20, 2019 15:43:39 GMT -5
Here's Street and Smith written by our old friend Steve Amedio -
1. Iona 2. Rider 3. Siena 4. Quinny 5. Monmouth 6. Manhattan 7. Fairfield 8. Niagara 9. Canisius 10. St. Peter's 11. Marist
Pickett- POY, Crawford, Kelly, Agee, Jordan 1st team
S&S has Harvard to win the Ivy league, Yale 4th.
Colgate to win the Patriot, Bucknell second, American 4th, Holy Cross 9th.
Xavier 4th in the BE.
St. Bonaventure 5th in the A10.
Cal Poly last in Big West.
This is a sneaky tough schedule for our Saints that will test us a lot despite the lack of "brand" name teams.
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Post by texasjack on Sept 20, 2019 16:00:41 GMT -5
Here's Street and Smith written by our old friend Steve Amedio - 1. Iona 2. Rider 3. Siena 4. Quinny 5. Monmouth 6. Manhattan 7. Fairfield 8. Niagara 9. Canisius 10. St. Peter's 11. Marist Pickett- POY, Crawford, Kelly, Agee, Jordan 1st team S&S has Harvard to win the Ivy league, Yale 4th. Colgate to win the Patriot, Bucknell second, American 4th, Holy Cross 9th. Xavier 4th in the BE. St. Bonaventure 5th in the A10. Cal Poly last in Big West. This is a sneaky tough schedule for our Saints that will test us a lot despite the lack of "brand" name teams. Mike, does S&S predict a rookie (newcomer) of the year?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:26:08 GMT -5
Unverified but someone on CC board posted that the Athlon's order was this: Iona, Quinny, Siena, Rider, Monmouth, Manhattan, Canisius, Marist, St. Peter’s, Niagara & Fairfield. Either way, I don't particularly like either poll. I think it's something like this: Rider Iona Quinny Siena St. Peters Manhattan FF CC Monmouth Niagara Marist Monmouth lost their best defensive player in Rutherford from a team that mostly relied on defense. I think some teams are going to pass them even though they have some experience. I feel like they're gonna fall. There's not a lot they do well. St. Peters and FF might surprise. Those last 7 teams are tough to predict. CC still has Malik Johnson at PG...so maybe they have some shot at moving up if frosh are good. Still, FF should have interior play and a coach who puts emphasis on D...CC probably no. May have to drop SPU down with no KC Ndefo now... Without both Idowu and now him, they lose a lot of that shot blocking they had last year. If they play Majak and Woods a lot to make up for it, it could lead to other issues. They're so turnover prone that they won't likely fix a lot of their turnover problem even IF all their new guards are good. Think they'll be athletic and sloppy once again. Probably move CC up into that tier.
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Post by MTS on Sept 20, 2019 16:56:37 GMT -5
Here's Street and Smith written by our old friend Steve Amedio - 1. Iona 2. Rider 3. Siena 4. Quinny 5. Monmouth 6. Manhattan 7. Fairfield 8. Niagara 9. Canisius 10. St. Peter's 11. Marist Pickett- POY, Crawford, Kelly, Agee, Jordan 1st team S&S has Harvard to win the Ivy league, Yale 4th. Colgate to win the Patriot, Bucknell second, American 4th, Holy Cross 9th. Xavier 4th in the BE. St. Bonaventure 5th in the A10. Cal Poly last in Big West. This is a sneaky tough schedule for our Saints that will test us a lot despite the lack of "brand" name teams. Mike, does S&S predict a rookie (newcomer) of the year? Aaron Falzon was their newcomer of the year. I’m going with Donald Carey!!
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Post by IndianSaint on Sept 21, 2019 10:38:59 GMT -5
Here’s my official prediction:
1. Siena 2 - 11. Any team not named Siena.
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Post by Tony on Sept 28, 2019 5:38:22 GMT -5
Blue ribbon predictions ( according to Iona board, Thanks I86) )
Generally speaking Blue ribbon is best and most in depth predictions.
I can’t really argue with any of their predictions, other than I'm surprised to see Quinny picked 5th and Manhattan over them. Can’t argue with Crawford as PoY( best player on best team) Iona is most definitely the team to beat. Siena has some question marks- starting with head coach, although I must admit as time as gone on, I’m less and less concerned about Carm, he has handled himself and program outstanding since being named head coach. Not that he can’t/ wont make rookie mistakes, I’m sure he will. But I’m at the point where I would be surprised if Carm struggles in head chair- still I’ll be glad when this question mark is removed. We have to see the chemistry between Pickett and Carey – the duo has potential to be best backcourt we have had since Kenny/Ronald over a decade ago. We are in a position where we need to get something out of freshmen ( never a good thing in mid major land) I think we really need Gary Harris to be type player most of us think he could be- again that’s a lot of pressure on a freshmen, so I don’t want to say season hangs on that. Saints should be fun team to watch, we have as much athleticism as we have had since the Fran years- we need a lot to go right to overtake Iona- but the potential is there. Siena is very young team- with most of our key players Freshmen or soph's, so some patience may be needed, but the way Carm and staff is recruiting- I’ll say it again MAAC better get Siena this year, only going to get tougher going forward.
Iona Rider Siena Manhattan QPAC Monmouth Canisius Marist SPU Fairfield Niagara
ALL MAAC Agee Crawford Pickett Kelly Jordan
POY Crawford
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Post by MTS on Oct 17, 2019 12:00:05 GMT -5
Here's Athlon-
1. Iona 2. Quinnipiac 3. Siena 4. Rider 5. Monmouth 6. Manhattan 7. Canisius 8. Marist 9. St. Peter's 10. Niagara 11. Fairfield
1st team ALL-MAAC: Pickett, Crawford, Kelly, Jordan
Siena non-conference opponents:
Xavier, 3rd Big East (Round of 32 projection) (Projected top 25) St. Bonaventure, 4th A10 (NIT projection)
Patriot league: 1. Colgate, 2. Bucknell, 3. America, 10. Holy Cross
Ivy league: 1. Harvard, 3. Yale
Cal Poly 9th Big West
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Post by goldsaint17 on Oct 18, 2019 12:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 12:52:37 GMT -5
Here's how I kind of break it down for the preseason. If it's not listed here, it's cause I think it's a push.
Team -- Type -------- Strengths vs. Siena -- Weaknesses vs. Siena -- Advantage
Rider -- Possessions -- TO Margin -- -------------------------- ------------------ Rider ------ -- Possessions -- Rebounding -- --------------------------------------- --- Rider ------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- Offensive FT Rate --------- FT Shooting - Offense ----- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- --------------------------------------------- --- Rider
Iona --- Possessions ---- Rebounding ------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 2 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 3 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- ---------------------------------------------- -- Iona
Quinny -Possessions -- Rebounding --------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 3 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles -- Depth -- ----------------------------------------------- -- Quinny
Iona/Quinny - Siena could also potentially pass Iona and Quinny in rebounding. Losing Seymour and Darwiche from the rotation creates a lot of rebounding upside that is currently difficult to quantify. If Burns is an 8 reb per 30 guy, and Camper, Harris and Sutherland are solid for their positions...Siena might close the gap because of guard rebounding. If Siena takes more shots than those 2 teams, I like the chances because Siena likely has the better defense.
Rider - Siena would have to really close the gap on turnovers forced (steals etc) with Rider to win the TO margin there. However, Siena could get the rebounding gap lower and perhaps find a way to shoot more efficiently. Siena's defensive FG% allowed vs. Rider's poor defensive FG% will likely have to continue to carry them in that match up. Perhaps being efficient at getting to the line and making FT's will help the cause. However, I still think Rider will maintain some possession advantage. Siena will likely have to be more efficient on offense than Rider to win.
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Post by greengold4ever on Oct 18, 2019 15:18:07 GMT -5
Here's how I kind of break it down for the preseason. If it's not listed here, it's cause I think it's a push. Team -- Type -------- Strengths vs. Siena -- Weaknesses vs. Siena -- Advantage
Rider -- Possessions -- TO Margin -- -------------------------- ------------------ Rider------ -- Possessions -- Rebounding -- --------------------------------------- --- Rider------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- Offensive FT Rate --------- FT Shooting - Offense ----- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- --------------------------------------------- --- Rider Iona --- Possessions ---- Rebounding ------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 2 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 3 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- ---------------------------------------------- -- Iona Quinny -Possessions -- Rebounding --------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 3 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles -- Depth -- ----------------------------------------------- -- Quinny
Iona/Quinny - Siena could also potentially pass Iona and Quinny in rebounding. Losing Seymour and Darwiche from the rotation creates a lot of rebounding upside that is currently difficult to quantify. If Burns is an 8 reb per 30 guy, and Camper, Harris and Sutherland are solid for their positions...Siena might close the gap because of guard rebounding. If Siena takes more shots than those 2 teams, I like the chances because Siena likely has the better defense. Rider - Siena would have to really close the gap on turnovers forced (steals etc) with Rider to win the TO margin there. However, Siena could get the rebounding gap lower and perhaps find a way to shoot more efficiently. Siena's defensive FG% allowed vs. Rider's poor defensive FG% will likely have to continue to carry them in that match up. Perhaps being efficient at getting to the line and making FT's will help the cause. However, I still think Rider will maintain some possession advantage. Siena will likely have to be more efficient on offense than Rider to win. of course many new "unknowns" for all MAAC teams this season, because of new player additions or subtractions (coaches included), and well because it is a new season all together..........that being said, and we have all posted until the candle burns down to ground the questions for Siena.......................here's what we likely know about these top 3 (based upon known dynamics)................... Iona, they can really score the ball and shoot 3's very well, plus they are also good at the FT line, but they are not as good defensively as they have been in past yrs (defending a poor group of teams in the league last yr was right up their alley, and the perfect recipe for them down the stretch-), nor do they rebound very well, essentially though they are just like the Yankees being built for the reg season (that includes any maac game/tourney), but not ready to take out a team in post season (until they prove otherwise that is their MO).................... Rider still probably has the most talent of any roster top to bottom, they are adept at turning teams over and are a solid rebounding team, but they do have Badgett as their coach (and much like him, they become "unhinged" during pressure game situations), and they are a very poor FT shooting team which hurts them in many tight games, when the going gets tough they just jack bad 3's without any kind of accountability ...............until they prove they can win a game in the tournament, it is the same old Rider team we all love to love..... Quinny is very interesting in that Kelly can control the offense, but it remains to be seen if they can replace Cam Young with a few players (no one player is stepping in his shoes for sure), and Riggatoni will be hanging around the new deeper 3 line for many attempts, but their D is really suspect as Dunleavy just simply wants to outscore the opponent instead of worrying about really stopping them......... Perhaps the one area that Siena might be the best at compared to these others is A/TO ratio.............with mostly Pickett making the decisions, it is not even an argument in that category (and we really needed that last yr because of the players that we had to compete in games)...................
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:38:24 GMT -5
Here's how I kind of break it down for the preseason. If it's not listed here, it's cause I think it's a push. Team -- Type -------- Strengths vs. Siena -- Weaknesses vs. Siena -- Advantage
Rider -- Possessions -- TO Margin -- -------------------------- ------------------ Rider------ -- Possessions -- Rebounding -- --------------------------------------- --- Rider------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- Offensive FT Rate --------- FT Shooting - Offense ----- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- --------------------------------------------- --- Rider Iona --- Possessions ---- Rebounding ------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 2 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ------ 3 pt offensive eff. -------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles --- Depth -- ---------------------------------------------- -- Iona Quinny -Possessions -- Rebounding --------------- TO Margin ------------------ Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 3 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Shooting ----- 2 pt offensive eff. --------- FG% Defense -------------- Push ------ -- Intangibles -- Depth -- ----------------------------------------------- -- Quinny
Iona/Quinny - Siena could also potentially pass Iona and Quinny in rebounding. Losing Seymour and Darwiche from the rotation creates a lot of rebounding upside that is currently difficult to quantify. If Burns is an 8 reb per 30 guy, and Camper, Harris and Sutherland are solid for their positions...Siena might close the gap because of guard rebounding. If Siena takes more shots than those 2 teams, I like the chances because Siena likely has the better defense. Rider - Siena would have to really close the gap on turnovers forced (steals etc) with Rider to win the TO margin there. However, Siena could get the rebounding gap lower and perhaps find a way to shoot more efficiently. Siena's defensive FG% allowed vs. Rider's poor defensive FG% will likely have to continue to carry them in that match up. Perhaps being efficient at getting to the line and making FT's will help the cause. However, I still think Rider will maintain some possession advantage. Siena will likely have to be more efficient on offense than Rider to win. of course many new "unknowns" for all MAAC teams this season, because of new player additions or subtractions (coaches included), and well because it is a new season all together..........that being said, and we have all posted until the candle burns down to ground the questions for Siena.......................here's what we likely know about these top 3 (based upon known dynamics)................... Iona, they can really score the ball and shoot 3's very well, plus they are also good at the FT line, but they are not as good defensively as they have been in past yrs (defending a poor group of teams in the league last yr was right up their alley, and the perfect recipe for them down the stretch-), nor do they rebound very well, essentially though they are just like the Yankees being built for the reg season (that includes any maac game/tourney), but not ready to take out a team in post season (until they prove otherwise that is their MO).................... Rider still probably has the most talent of any roster top to bottom, they are adept at turning teams over and are a solid rebounding team, but they do have Badgett as their coach (and much like him, they become "unhinged" during pressure game situations), and they are a very poor FT shooting team which hurts them in many tight games, when the going gets tough they just jack bad 3's without any kind of accountability ...............until they prove they can win a game in the tournament, it is the same old Rider team we all love to love..... Quinny is very interesting in that Kelly can control the offense, but it remains to be seen if they can replace Cam Young with a few players (no one player is stepping in his shoes for sure), and Riggatoni will be hanging around the new deeper 3 line for many attempts, but their D is really suspect as Dunleavy just simply wants to outscore the opponent instead of worrying about really stopping them......... Perhaps the one area that Siena might be the best at compared to these others is A/TO ratio.............with mostly Pickett making the decisions, it is not even an argument in that category (and we really needed that last yr because of the players that we had to compete in games)................... My thoughts are different in a stand alone MAAC tourney scenario because of what you said on Rider. However, I'm talking most regular season. In the regular season, talent more readily rises to the top.
Ironically, Quinny has never had a positive team TO margin under Dunleavy EVEN WITH Kelly and they don't force a lot of TOs. That's why Siena has that TO margin advantage. They will never be a great defensive team while Kelly/Rigoni/and Falzon are 3 of their starters...but they'll be able to shoot the lights out.
Rider won TO margin different last year. Siena was second. Rider both take care of the ball AND forces a lot of TOs. Iona takes care of the ball but without McGill's 78 stls...may not force as many. Siena took care of the ball the best last year and will likely only force more TOs.
Iona fans devalue the loss of McGill defensively even though the end of season stretch they are so proud of was because of McGill. He was Kenpom MVP in 5 of their last 11....and was averaging 17 pts and 2.6 stls per game in those games. They may replace his scoring but he was the, by far, best defender for the 276th ranked defense.
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