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Post by doctorjay on Jul 13, 2018 3:57:26 GMT -5
It sounds like HJ is not the only one who questions Seymour's desire. I have never seen him play but hope he shows us all. The fact that JC had a number of kids transfer to up schools tells me that he has found the pilot light on other talented but unfocused kids and got them cooking. Hopefully we see that in this case. Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Christian having so many kids with "up" talent and not dominating the NEC is what concerns me. His recruiting is outstanding, not so sold on his coaching. I do think his staff here is much stronger though, which should help. |
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Post by gorvy on Jul 13, 2018 5:23:13 GMT -5
It sounds like HJ is not the only one who questions Seymour's desire. I have never seen him play but hope he shows us all. The fact that JC had a number of kids transfer to up schools tells me that he has found the pilot light on other talented but unfocused kids and got them cooking. Hopefully we see that in this case. Sent from my SM-G935P using proboards Christian having so many kids with "up" talent and not dominating the NEC is what concerns me. His recruiting is outstanding, not so sold on his coaching. I do think his staff here is much stronger though, which should help. . 67-39 with two tournament championships and one regular season title with 5 straight winning records. I’d sign up for that here. |
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Post by doctorjay on Jul 13, 2018 13:04:11 GMT -5
Christian having so many kids with "up" talent and not dominating the NEC is what concerns me. His recruiting is outstanding, not so sold on his coaching. I do think his staff here is much stronger though, which should help. . 67-39 with two tournament championships and one regular season title with 5 straight winning records. I’d sign up for that here. Will Brown won 74 games in 3 years with 2 "up" kids and people were hammering him. Now JC had 5-6 "up" kids and won the weaker NEC once and people are thrilled. I'm just saying it's a concern. The stronger staff here mitigates that concern somewhat. |
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Post by Quackman on Jul 13, 2018 13:46:30 GMT -5
. 67-39 with two tournament championships and one regular season title with 5 straight winning records. I’d sign up for that here. Will Brown won 74 games in 3 years with 2 "up" kids and people were hammering him. Now JC had 5-6 "up" kids and won the weaker NEC once and people are thrilled. I'm just saying it's a concern. The stronger staff here mitigates that concern somewhat. Yeah, that's a bit rough. Look at what the program did before he was there (they had an 8 win season) and then see what they did once he got there. (18 win season first year, NCAA tourney in year 2) Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. He averaged 11-7 in conference, finished in the top half of the league every season and won the tournament twice. Most of the kids he had transfer out left after freshman or soph seasons rather than as graduate transfers, so he was dealing with young teams just about every year. Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. Plus, he won with Burke's players in years 1 and 2, and his own players in years 5 and 6. As good as Brown has been, JC has won 63% of his conference games, WB has won 52%. It took Brown 5 years to get to have a winning season, JC had a winning season year 1 and was in the tournament year 2. Everyone wants the hot young assistant like the guy at Miami and Baker Dunleavy. This is that same kind of guy, only with 6 successful years behind him. There is always a risk to bringing in a new coach, this hire was a Low Risk/High Reward kind of hire given his background and the results he has seen. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Jul 13, 2018 15:05:08 GMT -5
Will Brown won 74 games in 3 years with 2 "up" kids and people were hammering him. Now JC had 5-6 "up" kids and won the weaker NEC once and people are thrilled. I'm just saying it's a concern. The stronger staff here mitigates that concern somewhat. Yeah, that's a bit rough. Look at what the program did before he was there (they had an 8 win season) and then see what they did once he got there. (18 win season first year, NCAA tourney in year 2) Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. He averaged 11-7 in conference, finished in the top half of the league every season and won the tournament twice. Most of the kids he had transfer out left after freshman or soph seasons rather than as graduate transfers, so he was dealing with young teams just about every year. Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. Plus, he won with Burke's players in years 1 and 2, and his own players in years 5 and 6. As good as Brown has been, JC has won 63% of his conference games, WB has won 52%. It took Brown 5 years to get to have a winning season, JC had a winning season year 1 and was in the tournament year 2. Everyone wants the hot young assistant like the guy at Miami and Baker Dunleavy. This is that same kind of guy, only with 6 successful years behind him. There is always a risk to bringing in a new coach, this hire was a Low Risk/High Reward kind of hire given his background and the results he has seen. totally agree on this................just think JP had some really good talent here at Siena and he never really got it to the level he promised the school & the alumni..............IF DoctorJay (who was an awesome hoopster in his own right, lol) wants to have reservations about JC's "in game" coaching, then I think that is fair at this point, since we really haven't experienced seeing him in action first hand............... |
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Post by doctorjay on Jul 13, 2018 16:28:13 GMT -5
Will Brown won 74 games in 3 years with 2 "up" kids and people were hammering him. Now JC had 5-6 "up" kids and won the weaker NEC once and people are thrilled. I'm just saying it's a concern. The stronger staff here mitigates that concern somewhat. Yeah, that's a bit rough. Look at what the program did before he was there (they had an 8 win season) and then see what they did once he got there. (18 win season first year, NCAA tourney in year 2) Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. He averaged 11-7 in conference, finished in the top half of the league every season and won the tournament twice. Most of the kids he had transfer out left after freshman or soph seasons rather than as graduate transfers, so he was dealing with young teams just about every year. Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. Plus, he won with Burke's players in years 1 and 2, and his own players in years 5 and 6. As good as Brown has been, JC has won 63% of his conference games, WB has won 52%. It took Brown 5 years to get to have a winning season, JC had a winning season year 1 and was in the tournament year 2. Everyone wants the hot young assistant like the guy at Miami and Baker Dunleavy. This is that same kind of guy, only with 6 successful years behind him. There is always a risk to bringing in a new coach, this hire was a Low Risk/High Reward kind of hire given his background and the results he has seen. It took Brown 5 years to have a winning season because Albany was new to D1 and the NCAA makes teams ineligible for postseason for 5 years, which hurts recruiting. But I was only referring to people who killed him for winning 74 games in the last 3 years with Cremo and Nichols, who were underclassmen 2 of those 3 years. I'm just saying, use the same criteria for everyone. |
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Post by Tony on Jul 13, 2018 17:35:04 GMT -5
It took Brown 5 years to have a winning season because Albany was new to D1 and the NCAA makes teams ineligible for postseason for 5 years, which hurts recruiting. But I was only referring to people who killed him for winning 74 games in the last 3 years with Cremo and Nichols, who were underclassmen 2 of those 3 years. I'm just saying, use the same criteria for everyone. I see you are an Albany apologist - Brown took over in UA's 3rd season in D1 after Hicks and Beeten. He never coached when UA was a D1` indy- He played in AE tourney his 1st year - back then there was only a few year window of probation- NCAA went to 5 years when so many teams jumped to D1- So your 5 years ineligible holds NO water at all. A lot of reasons why its hard to be a start up D1 program- but Brown always coached in AE. To this day UA has very few up wins in their entire history, in fact they seldom even beat teams with winning records in Non Conf portion of schedule |
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Post by Tony on Jul 13, 2018 18:28:18 GMT -5
Please let's try to keep recruiting threads to recruiting topics, Lord knows we have recruiting"action" to keep those threads busy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 23:21:22 GMT -5
Will Brown’s wife now has another account. Please make it stop.
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Post by Tony on Jul 14, 2018 5:37:48 GMT -5
Could be or might be that Will Brown loving Luca Brasi and his famous Will Brown coaching tree- I still occasionally chuckle over that thread
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Post by indian82 on Jul 14, 2018 13:45:11 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a bit rough. Look at what the program did before he was there (they had an 8 win season) and then see what they did once he got there. (18 win season first year, NCAA tourney in year 2) Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. He averaged 11-7 in conference, finished in the top half of the league every season and won the tournament twice. Most of the kids he had transfer out left after freshman or soph seasons rather than as graduate transfers, so he was dealing with young teams just about every year. Beyond the two NCAA appearances, his teams has 2 other seasons with 18 wins and 14 and 15 wins respectively the other two seasons, despite playing up to 10 OOC road games per year. Plus, he won with Burke's players in years 1 and 2, and his own players in years 5 and 6. As good as Brown has been, JC has won 63% of his conference games, WB has won 52%. It took Brown 5 years to get to have a winning season, JC had a winning season year 1 and was in the tournament year 2. Everyone wants the hot young assistant like the guy at Miami and Baker Dunleavy. This is that same kind of guy, only with 6 successful years behind him. There is always a risk to bringing in a new coach, this hire was a Low Risk/High Reward kind of hire given his background and the results he has seen. It took Brown 5 years to have a winning season because Albany was new to D1 and the NCAA makes teams ineligible for postseason for 5 years, which hurts recruiting. But I was only referring to people who killed him for winning 74 games in the last 3 years with Cremo and Nichols, who were underclassmen 2 of those 3 years. I'm just saying, use the same criteria for everyone. I am not knocking Will Brown, but the years you are referring to (last 3), he has been there what 12 years? And the 2 players you're referring to are going into their 4th year. One is going to the current NCAA champ (and winner of 2 of last 3) and the other is going to an ACC team who went to the Elite 8. Are you comparing JC & WB at these 2 different stages in their careers & equating the players mentioned with what JC had at MSM? Your concerns are noted. Now let JC coach a single game and then a season here. Then to be fair, let's see who else he recruits after having been here longer than 2 months and see what he can do with a squad composed of players that are mostly his and have a year under their belt in his system. |
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