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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 11:02:59 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2013 12:37:19 GMT -5
I’d love to have Paulsen- but I’d have to say he is a long shot. First thing he wouldn’t come cheap- Siena would have to at least pay the kind of cash Fran was making when he left and even that might not be enough. He can probably get to BCS from Bucknell- if he continues on current pace- and should he win a NCAA game this year will be a very hot “commodity “… of course he does have roots in the area and his wife is from Loudonville so he is worth a look for sure…just not sure Siena will be able to get him
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 12:57:06 GMT -5
Look if Siena wants to take their program to the level it was a couple or years ago or even become the likes Butler, Gonzaga or even St Bonaventure they are going to have to spend the money for coach like this ! End of story...or are we going to be St Peters ?!
If you give Paulsen Fran's contract or little under ! Its going be worth it !
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2013 13:03:00 GMT -5
Look if Siena wants to take their program to the level it was a couple or years ago or even become the likes Butler, Gonzaga or even St Bonaventure they are going to have to spend the money for coach like this ! End of story...or are we going to be St Peters ?! If you give Paulsen Fran's contract or little under ! Its going be worth it ! I think you're missing the point... 500k or 600K might not be enough- if he wins a NCAA game this year- I'm sure the BCS will come calling and Siena will never be able to compete with BCS type money..hell Xavier and Butler cant compete with BCS cash..and even if he doesn't win a NCAA game this year if he continues on at Bucknell he will probably get the call within a few years- he is almost 50, so window is closing for him. If he comes to Siena he will be facing a massive rebuilding job. The team that was way too good for Mitch ( LaSalle) Paulsen beat them by double digits. Paulsen is sitting in a good spot now. Unless he wants to come back to Albany or feels he cant get get to BCS from Bucknell no reason to come to Siena. Just because Siena wants a coach doesn't mean the coach will want Siena
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 13:18:47 GMT -5
And my point is that Siena can't limit itself based on money. Siena did that long enough ! Do we want to be another MAAC school or do we want to the Buter of the MAAC ! Never once did Buter ( in the last 10 years ) hope they win their confrance ..but it was a given! Why ? Great coaching- and they spent the money for it !
So ..Siena do you want to be St Peters or something more ?! Spend the money - for the likes of Paulsen, Toole or Wojo ! And you will see the results !
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2013 13:19:51 GMT -5
Paulsen is definitely worth a look – but like said don’t kid yourself, he is a long shot. Andrew Toole, Jeff Neubauer , Cliff Warren and probably a handful of others will be top candidates- all 3 of those are worlds better than Baghdad Mitch the program wrecker
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Post by MTS on Jan 27, 2013 13:21:24 GMT -5
The more and more I think about it Paulsen is probably a pipe dream. Our only hope is his wife wants to return home and no BCS schools bite on him. Then maybe giving him a 500K type a year contract he might consider us.
More realistic names... Andy Toole, Jeff Neubauer, Darrin Horn, Cliff Warren, Bill Coen, Andy Enfield (Flordia Gulf Coast) Kyle Smith (Columbia) and I'm sure a bunch more.
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2013 13:22:57 GMT -5
And my point is that Siena can't limit itself based on money. Siena did that long enough ! Do we want to be another MAAC school or do we want to the Buter of the MAAC ! Never once did Buter ( in the last 10 years ) hope they win their confrance ..but it was a given! Why ? Great coaching- and they spent the money for it ! So ..Siena do you want to be St Peters or something more ?! Spend the money - for the likes of Paulsen, Toole or Wojo ! And you will see the results ! Remember this Siena ?! It was the national spotlight ! www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=550172647793 You are not dealing in reality... that's silly talk really... everyone has a budget. You do realize BCS coaches make millions of dollars per year..Siena ( or any other mid major) CANNOT COMPETE WITH THAT KIND OF CASH Xavier has lost coaches to BCS in last 10 years-- Butler has lost 2 VCU has lost 2..list goes on and on
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 13:28:59 GMT -5
Why can't Siena spend the same amount as some A10 schools ?! Like the Bonnies ?
Lets say Siena gets Toole or Paulsen - and you give them really solid contract ( 500k) ...and they really bring Siena to the national spotlight again ! Do you give him 700k !? Would it be worth it ?! YES ! U MAKE IT HAPPEN !
"When there is obvious exceptions- you must find the ability to pay your coaches what they're worth — that's a decision a school must make. And if school needs to cut someplace else, then they must make the cuts."
Jonathan Orszag, an economist who once served on President Clinton's National Economic Council
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 13:57:17 GMT -5
And my point is that Siena can't limit itself based on money. Siena did that long enough ! Do we want to be another MAAC school or do we want to the Buter of the MAAC ! Never once did Buter ( in the last 10 years ) hope they win their confrance ..but it was a given! Why ? Great coaching- and they spent the money for it ! So ..Siena do you want to be St Peters or something more ?! Spend the money - for the likes of Paulsen, Toole or Wojo ! And you will see the results ! You are not dealing in reality... that's silly talk really... everyone has a budget. You do realize BCS coaches make millions of dollars per year..Siena ( or any other mid major) CANNOT COMPETE WITH THAT KIND OF CASH Xavier has lost coaches to BCS in last 10 years-- Butler has lost 2 VCU has lost 2..list goes on and on
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Post by gorvy on Jan 27, 2013 15:17:26 GMT -5
The only way we get Paulsen is if he wants to come here, we pay Fran money (not likely) and commit to joining a better conference. Let's face it, in a few years, this conference is going to be not much better than the Patriot league. Rider, Marist basically northeast type teams that thought they could come in to this conference and compete with the same budget. St. Pete's once had a part time coach and did nothing outside of KeeKee. Loyola's gone. Now we are going to have a perennial loser in Monmouth and an always "up and coming" but never quite getting here Quinnipiac. Siena (if it gets its act together, Niagara, Manhattan, Iona (although they choke too much) and Fairfield make the MAAC. Those schools and Canisius should break off and find two or three like minded schools to preserve what the MAAC started to buiild. Otherwise, in a few years this conference is going to struggle to get out of the 20s of the RPI year in and year out.
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 16:52:45 GMT -5
The only way we get Paulsen is if he wants to come here, we pay Fran money (not likely) and commit to joining a better conference. Let's face it, in a few years, this conference is going to be not much better than the Patriot league. Rider, Marist basically northeast type teams that thought they could come in to this conference and compete with the same budget. St. Pete's once had a part time coach and did nothing outside of KeeKee. Loyola's gone. Now we are going to have a perennial loser in Monmouth and an always "up and coming" but never quite getting here Quinnipiac. Siena (if it gets its act together, Niagara, Manhattan, Iona (although they choke too much) and Fairfield make the MAAC. Those schools and Canisius should break off and find two or three like minded schools to preserve what the MAAC started to buiild. Otherwise, in a few years this conference is going to struggle to get out of the 20s of the RPI year in and year out. Well Siena should do whatever it takes money wise to get either Paulsen or Toole ! They owe it to the players and the fan base !
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jan 27, 2013 19:17:00 GMT -5
Why can't Siena spend the same amount as some A10 schools ?! Like the Bonnies ? The Siena men's basketball program spent $2.2 million last year, compared to St. Bonaventure's $1.6 million and Xavier's $1.7 million. Those teams have obviously had more on-court success than Siena in recent years and they share a better conference affiliation, but Siena's in the right place financially. I would just say, don't feel disappointed if we don't get a Brad Stevens type situation where a coach stays here. Xavier consistently loses their coaches, but also consistently picks successful replacements.
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2013 19:44:26 GMT -5
Why can't Siena spend the same amount as some A10 schools ?! Like the Bonnies ? The Siena men's basketball program spent $2.2 million last year, compared to St. Bonaventure's $1.6 million and Xavier's $1.7 million. Those teams have obviously had more on-court success than Siena in recent years and they share a better conference affiliation, but Siena's in the right place financially. I would just say, don't feel disappointed if we don't get a Brad Stevens type situation where a coach stays here. Xavier consistently loses their coaches, but also consistently picks successful replacements. double check that I think you are off a mill on Xavier-- there budget is around 3mill a year.. sounds about right for bonnies
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Post by yoda1977 on Jan 27, 2013 20:04:26 GMT -5
See what I dont want is for Siena to settle for the likes of Cliff Warren- just because he might come cheaper. There are much better candidates ! Siena should hire a coach that scares the crap out of the MAAC - and sends a message to the NCAA ! " WE ARE SIENA AND WE ARE BACK !! "
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