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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 5, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
I would put Wright on that list ahead of Al Fisher for what he did while at Siena. Nico's story is unwritten. He has to be able to stay on the court for two more seasons. Al did nothing at Siena, but was the MAC player of the year after he left. And lets not fault JP for WB and MW not panning out. You really need to take chances on big kids at this level. They dont all work out.
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Post by hoopdad on Apr 5, 2017 14:52:44 GMT -5
I would argue that Brett, Javion and Lavon all developed pretty well under Patsos and crew. Brett became a much improved and totally different player when JP arrived. Both Javion and Lavon are much improved since their freshman year. Heck all 3 were thousand point scorers, decent rebounders (excellent in Brett's case) and all could defend multiple positions. Critic will say they did not win together as a group. True, but that is a different topic than them improving as big men under the current coaching regime.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 5, 2017 15:23:34 GMT -5
No, AF didnt do anything at Siena, but one could argue he wasnt optimized by Lanier. As for big men, there should be an assistant on staff to develop them. Do we have that in place?
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 5, 2017 15:35:07 GMT -5
I would argue that Brett, Javion and Lavon all developed pretty well under Patsos and crew. Brett became a much improved and totally different player when JP arrived. Both Javion and Lavon are much improved since their freshman year. Heck all 3 were thousand point scorers, decent rebounders (excellent in Brett's case) and all could defend multiple positions. Critic will say they did not win together as a group. True, but that is a different topic than them improving as big men under the current coaching regime. 3 players in 4 years, he's John Wooden reincarnated. LOL! And what did he do for WB Fisher Wolfe? Brett was going to develop regardless of Patsos. He had a tremendous work ethic and heart. In my book I think Lavon pretty much underachieved. Yes he improved from his freshman year but I think he was capable of more. Would have liked to see what Fran Paul or Mike would have done with him....
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 5, 2017 16:29:11 GMT -5
No, AF didnt do anything at Siena, but one could argue he wasnt optimized by Lanier. As for big men, there should be an assistant on staff to develop them. Do we have that in place? You're assumming every big man with talent can be optimized. As for Al, he was just behind two better guards for the year he was here. Lanier was a great recruiter of guards.
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Post by notomo on Apr 5, 2017 16:49:27 GMT -5
Thought he showed a lot of potential his first season. The r/s break didn't help. That was a mistake. Sitting on the bench almost all season long this time was an even bigger mistake. He should have had the p/t to show what he can do and to develop.This falls on the coach. If the player doesn't have it to contribute or the coach doesn't develop him by allocating game time experience, either way it falls on the coach. Bottom line it was a wasted three years all the way around. Very discouraging from this fan's perspective.This program is stagnating because of cases like this.
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Post by hoopdad on Apr 5, 2017 17:12:14 GMT -5
players that are 6'8" plus that fall to the mid-major level of Siena are a crap shoot at best. If they were really good players they we be at higher D1 programs. A lot of times they are recruited purely on their size and potential. Some of these guys mature, improve and in some cases over achieve. And some never rise to the level it was thought they might. Recruiting is far from an exact science.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 17:27:00 GMT -5
Clearly WB had more going for him than just size - we've had bigs less athletic than him that worked out well - we pay coaches a ton of money to find, recruit, develop and utilize the talent they bring in. WB had size, athleticism, smarts and a desire to do whatever was necessary to get p/t - agreeing to a r/s year is, imo, evidence of his work ethic and commitment. Unfortunately he got recruited by a coach with tunnel vision and no clue how to blend and utilize the talent he had - he's a marketer not a coach!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 17:35:50 GMT -5
WB had way more talent than Fisher. We were all excited when he got recruited. He had Wignot-esque energy on D and could shoot.
He actually had a pretty high steal rate and a better rebound rate than both JO and Fisher. 52 steals per 1,000 mins.
Maybe he's not quite the kind of big that Jimmy wanted but he shouldn't have been benched for Fisher who does everything he does, only worse.
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Post by sienahusker on Apr 5, 2017 17:47:16 GMT -5
Agree JP did't chase him out - he froze him out ... sorry to see him go ... I had my Dutch grand-nephew decked out in Siena gear since he was born ... with. 6'10" father and 5'10 mother I was planning his future ... was going to bring him to Siena practice on their next visit to meet Willem ... really thought there would be a role for WB this upcoming season. Did JP freeze him out because he chose to go home to Holland instead of staying on campus for the summer working out with his team-mates? I think this was the beginning of the failed EF experiment.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 5, 2017 17:58:55 GMT -5
players that are 6'8" plus that fall to the mid-major level of Siena are a crap shoot at best. If they were really good players they we be at higher D1 programs. A lot of times they are recruited purely on their size and potential. Some of these guys mature, improve and in some cases over achieve. And some never rise to the level it was thought they might. Recruiting is far from an exact science. Yes it's cleaning very much like shampooing, recruit, remove, replace.
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 5, 2017 18:56:48 GMT -5
The 1000 point scorer thing is bullshit. You essentially start for four years playing like 40 games a year... You better be able to score over 1000. That's the silliest "achievement" going
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 5, 2017 19:13:09 GMT -5
The 1000 point scorer thing is bullshit. You essentially start for four years playing like 40 games a year... You better be able to score over 1000. That's the silliest "achievement" going And yet there are rarely that many in a starting five or that many on one team at the same time. Go figure! And just to clarify I'm not talking about 1 or 2 and done BCS programs.
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 5, 2017 19:17:10 GMT -5
The 1000 point scorer thing is bullshit. You essentially start for four years playing like 40 games a year... You better be able to score over 1000. That's the silliest "achievement" going And yet there are rarely that many in a starting five or that many on one team at the same time. Go figure! And just to clarify I'm not talking about 1 or 2 and done BCS programs. And a stellar record to show for it. Again, 1000 doesn't mean shit anymore
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Post by th24 on Apr 5, 2017 19:20:32 GMT -5
Amazing! This board constantly bitched about how WB could not play D1 basketball! Then..they meltdown when he leaves the program! Why? Drama..drama and more drama! #GetAlife people
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