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Post by gosaints on Feb 4, 2017 9:59:56 GMT -5
I would say plan on moving forward without him. Watched the news last night. They had interviews with both Pastos and Wright on about Nico's "leave of absence". Pastos was much more diplomatic about Nico than Wright. The impression I got was that Wright made it very clear that he liked the way things were going right now and they didn't need anything (Nico) to upset the equilibrium. I doubt we'll see Nico again unless there's a season ending injury to "someone" in the starting 5, and pray to God there isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 12:28:10 GMT -5
This season has been remarkable - many 'footnotes' to keep in the memory locker, the post above being one of them - never, ever heard of a collegiate player even hinting to the media that personality clashes were impactful to their play - it may be one of the reasons our HC tips more than a few on occasion.
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Post by psycholojets on Feb 4, 2017 13:22:44 GMT -5
I thought Quis' return hurt team chemistry last year. Despite what so many on this board believe it sounds like JP actually learned something from that experience.
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Post by bigsaintg on Feb 4, 2017 13:25:23 GMT -5
I thought Quis' return hurt team chemistry last year. Despite what so many on this board believe it sounds like JP actually learned something from that experience. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards Word is Quis and Nico just cannot coexist together
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Post by th24 on Feb 4, 2017 13:26:42 GMT -5
FLASHBACK: Duke 2015 "The past six months have been turbulent for the former Blue Devils star, 21, who was dismissed from Duke’s team in January. Still enrolled at Duke, he is expected to graduate this summer with a degree in sociology and join Maryland’s team in August. A highly touted recruit from Houston who started for the Blue Devils as a freshman in 2012-13, Sulaimon’s Duke career ended this year for reasons that are still unclear. On Jan. 29, Duke announced that Sulaimon had been dismissed from the basketball team because he “repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations,” according to a statement by Coach Mike Krzyzewski. Sulaimon became the first player Krzyzewski kicked off a team in his 35 seasons at Duke, and he remained on campus as a student while his former teammates won a national championship without him." www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/rasheed-sulaimon-ousted-from-dukes-team-signs-with-maryland/2015/05/11/7dbb7846-f824-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?client=safari
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Post by musicman on Feb 4, 2017 13:41:38 GMT -5
FLASHBACK: Duke 2015 "The past six months have been turbulent for the former Blue Devils star, 21, who was dismissed from Duke’s team in January. Still enrolled at Duke, he is expected to graduate this summer with a degree in sociology and join Maryland’s team in August. A highly touted recruit from Houston who started for the Blue Devils as a freshman in 2012-13, Sulaimon’s Duke career ended this year for reasons that are still unclear. On Jan. 29, Duke announced that Sulaimon had been dismissed from the basketball team because he “repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations,” according to a statement by Coach Mike Krzyzewski. Sulaimon became the first player Krzyzewski kicked off a team in his 35 seasons at Duke, and he remained on campus as a student while his former teammates won a national championship without him." www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/rasheed-sulaimon-ousted-from-dukes-team-signs-with-maryland/2015/05/11/7dbb7846-f824-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?client=safariThis is the reality of today's players and the college game. A lot of ego and a real lot of testosterone.
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Post by th24 on Feb 4, 2017 15:40:48 GMT -5
FLASHBACK: Duke 2015 "The past six months have been turbulent for the former Blue Devils star, 21, who was dismissed from Duke’s team in January. Still enrolled at Duke, he is expected to graduate this summer with a degree in sociology and join Maryland’s team in August. A highly touted recruit from Houston who started for the Blue Devils as a freshman in 2012-13, Sulaimon’s Duke career ended this year for reasons that are still unclear. On Jan. 29, Duke announced that Sulaimon had been dismissed from the basketball team because he “repeatedly struggled to meet the necessary obligations,” according to a statement by Coach Mike Krzyzewski. Sulaimon became the first player Krzyzewski kicked off a team in his 35 seasons at Duke, and he remained on campus as a student while his former teammates won a national championship without him." www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/rasheed-sulaimon-ousted-from-dukes-team-signs-with-maryland/2015/05/11/7dbb7846-f824-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?client=safariThis is the reality of today's players and the college game. A lot of ego and a real lot of testosterone. And if can happen to Coach K..it can happen to anyone!
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Post by gorvy on Feb 4, 2017 17:50:19 GMT -5
What a "team".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 21:30:42 GMT -5
I thought Quis' return hurt team chemistry last year. Despite what so many on this board believe it sounds like JP actually learned something from that experience. Sent from my SM-G900P using proboards Word is Quis and Nico just cannot coexist together Undoubtably
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Post by sky on Feb 4, 2017 22:57:32 GMT -5
Both of them need to grow up....
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Post by greenblood on Feb 5, 2017 9:16:26 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be nice if that environment and expectation was fostered by the HC.
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 6, 2017 22:50:47 GMT -5
I also heard from someone close to the program that Clareth and Wright did not get along. That was cause of most of the conflict and a significant reason why Nico is "on break" from the team. Who knows with this Circus, maybe he comes back next year with Wright gone. If healthy, Nico will be by far the most talented player on the Saints the next two years and perhaps even in the MAAC. Given all of his challenges on and off the court next year, doubt he will have many good options for transfer.
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Post by saints22 on Feb 7, 2017 10:45:08 GMT -5
I also heard from someone close to the program that Clareth and Wright did not get along. That was cause of most of the conflict and a significant reason why Nico is "on break" from the team. Who knows with this Circus, maybe he comes back next year with Wright gone. If healthy, Nico will be by far the most talented player on the Saints the next two years and perhaps even in the MAAC. Given all of his challenges on and off the court next year, doubt he will have many good options for transfer. They are both young men, with not a whole lot of life experience behind them. If what you say (and others have alluded to) is true, at some point they will learn (I hope) that you don't necessarily have to like someone to get along with that person for the greater good. With absolutely no socially-scientific basis for saying this, I suspect that on virtually any given team, at least one person is not going to like someone else on that team. Same holds true for any situation where more than two people are involved. That "dislike" can do a lot of damage if it isn't controlled. In a previous post in this thread, Sky said that Nico and Marquis both need to grow up. I'm sure he means in the sense that they each have to be willing to put their personal dislikes aside for the good of the team. And he's right. They don't have to like each other to respect what skills/abilities the other can bring to the team. I don't know if one of them is more "right" than the other in this situation, and it really doesn't matter. What does matter is that their inability to "get along" has irreparably damaged this team, and also done great harm to the program.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Feb 7, 2017 14:47:12 GMT -5
If these senior(s) as in plural want to give themselves the absolute best chance possible to do one of the primary things they came to Siena to do, and that's to get to play in the NCAA Tournament, which they have yet to accomplish, then it is on them as a group to be the bigger person/people and leaders in all conflicts within the social parameters of the team, both on and off the court.
Its not about any decision being based on any one or two people if the result effects the rest of the team's performance.
As upperclassmen leaders they must lead by their actions and base "all" their decisions "as a group", that always goes back to the solution of any problem within the parameters of the team being based on the following premise;
"Everything that is done and decided upon by the seniors on this team is done for the "greater good of the team", period.
No loyalties, friendships, or conflicts should be the primary deciding factor in any decision that is made by the senior leaders on this team, if it directly conflicts with the "greater good of the team" concept.
If having the real Nico back, with his emotion, competitiveness, swag, not afraid to fail mentality, and yes, his talent, shooting ability, and athleticism, that without a doubt makes us an immediate contender, then the seniors as a group need to make this happen.
Believe me, the contenders; the Iona's, Monmouth's, Canisus's, and St. Peter's of the MAAC love that Nico is not playing. That should be all you need to know.
If that means coming to the realization that for the better of the team, letting Nico come back and being the best version of who Nico is as a player on this team (and not playing to be some other type of player as he did when coach was messing with his head and confidence in December to try to make him be a player who is wasn't, where Nico was just a shell of what we all know Nico is capable of), is a good thing, then all of you seniors need to be involved in the decision to do your absolute very best to be the bigger person in this decision. Get over any personal issues that you may personally have with Nico or stop being so loyal to another senior if he cannot be the bigger person. If its for the better of the team, you need to move forward with having the "real" Nico back.
Having the four seniors playing alongside the real Nico, with the Richards kid, with Friday, with WB (please play WB coach; without restrictions to shoot or going to the hoop or killing his confidence by taking him out every time he does something wrong on "either side of the ball". He has so much upside if you just have some patience and build his confidence by letting him play through his mistakes.), and the Shivers kid is all you need to get you to the Big Dance Coach. There's your rotation of 9. No need to go beyond this rotation.
Sorry to the rest of the team. It's not personal.
But no one else should play coach, unless you really have to. The others are all great kids I am sure, but to date on this years team, they have not yet shown that they are ready to contribute this year. They hurt the team when they are out there this year coach. With some off season work, hopefully they will be ready by next year. But you have to play to win the MAAC Championship this year.
Good luck tonight. Beat Iona.
Go Saints!
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Post by siena95 on Feb 7, 2017 15:45:39 GMT -5
The word you used that is the problem is "leaders". They may be seniors, but not one of them has ever taken the reigns of this team.
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