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Post by MTS on Mar 30, 2016 15:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by billmurray on Mar 30, 2016 15:55:45 GMT -5
Also mentioned a recruit on campus. The Joseph or someone else? Insight?
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Post by Tony on Mar 30, 2016 15:57:16 GMT -5
Jimmy covered most of the bases-- I wonder who recruit is? Maybe Joseph? Talked about transfers- nobody likes a lot of them- but those that don’t think they are now part of the game, have your head in sand.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 30, 2016 19:33:17 GMT -5
Also mentioned a recruit on campus. The Joseph or someone else? Insight? You sure about that? I'm getting a different story. I just listened to the interview, and i think the "recruit on campus" was a joke in regards to him being too busy to come back and analyze the NBA draft in May.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:50:45 GMT -5
I like JP and, honestly, I WANT him to be successful. He's entertaining and I like that. I generally think he's done a decent job.
It's just he talked about in this interview about 'raising the level'. Teams 'raising their level' to the leaders in their conference or in getting to the tourney. He talked about it being "an arms race". Kind like I'm saying with Iona...
This is all I mean when talking about the recruiting. From a coaching style, within the game and especially in preparing his team and getting them to play hard, I think Patsos generally does a pretty good job.
It's just that I think he could achieve that next level by altering some of the recruiting targets and strategy to search for more of those 6-3 to 6-5 athletic guards who can really handle and score but also have defensive upside.
We don't often see many of those as targets. I could accept it if the recruits were saying no. I can't accept it if we don't try.
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Post by glen on Mar 31, 2016 6:31:09 GMT -5
We need quality bigs. JO and Bisping are gone after next year and it takes a solid year (at least) for bigs at the MAAC level to develop. You just don't get a 6'9" or bigger guy ready to play at our level.
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Post by sky on Mar 31, 2016 7:30:00 GMT -5
I'm sure that many will disagree with me but I often think I would rather just hold back scholarships and fill the spots with walk ons than to give them out to projects and questionable abilities. I would rather have 8 or 9 quality players with openings for more than take low major recruits and then "not renew the contract"...
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 31, 2016 9:05:57 GMT -5
We need quality bigs. JO and Bisping are gone after next year and it takes a solid year (at least) for bigs at the MAAC level to develop. You just don't get a 6'9" or bigger guy ready to play at our level. Don't need 6 9 or 6 10 projects. I'd rather have 6 6 - 6 8 athletic and quick wings/forwards with good athletic guards. Did you see Morehead St? We got out rebounded and dominated in the paint by a smaller quicker athletic team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 9:33:03 GMT -5
It is rare to have the type of frontcourt in the MAAC that Siena has right now. It works because they are skilled.
It is much easier in the MAAC to go with a 6-6 combo forward and then have 1 true big...and then just load up on guards. Iona wins that way every year. Monmouth did it last year with Jones. Manhattan with Andujar. Siena did it that way with Franklin.
The problem with the traditional frontcourt in this league is energy, speed, turnovers, and FT shooting. You are always put at a disadvantage. In the heat of tough games, those things often win out. Siena's current frontcourt has turned out to be more an exception as opposed to the rule...and it's because these guys have SF abilities with big men bodies and big men games too. You don't see that often at this level.
That will be tough to replicate exactly.
If WB or someone else develops as our center and they get some 6-6 SFs that become tough enough to play the PF and provide that grittiness and versatility, then Patsos can just go wing happy and push the limits with the press and man to man...but you need to go with skilled wing athletes to do that.
However, JP says he wants to play fast, but in reality, he plays a style in between Fran and Mitch. That is both admirable if he can pull it off but could also backfire if he doesn't have the right interior personnel. It's easier to get the quality guards and maintain long term consistency at this level with a smaller style.
Mitch, Masiello, and Sydney tried to go big and they screwed themselves. Sydney recovered and Mas will recover largely because I think they finally recognized their issue.
It's a guard's league. You never should have more than 5 bigs on a MAAC roster and you can easily get away with 3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 9:54:24 GMT -5
Also, don't forget that a large reason for Siena's turnover issues is our 2 big alignment... 2 1/2 with Lavon.
If you count LL as a guard, the assist ratio of our 4 bigs is 92-165 The assist ratio of the guards is 400-358
This is obviously not a surprise as it's how most teams go but that's my point.
If you build your team around quality ballhandling and athleticism...you probably only need 1 big. While you may lose the rebounding battle to teams you can't outhustle, you'd win on defensive pressure, energy, turnover margin, transition game, and FT shooting.
This is pretty much the reason why Monmouth and Iona beat us...and the reason why Fran won. Fran's teams averaged over 300 steals per year. JP's teams have been between 210 and 233...which is so-so and largely because of Wright and/or Nico. And Siena's assist ratio has been lackluster as well, obviously.
If you fill your team with ballhawking athletes and who handle the ball...you put soo much pressure on other teams to have good games in order to beat you.
So find more Nico's. More Hasbrouck's. More Moore's. Attack. Attack. Attack.
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Post by glen on Mar 31, 2016 10:44:24 GMT -5
Yes, but 6'3"-6'5" is too small. You need at least 1 really good big at 6'8" or better. Franklin wasn't the big...that was Rossiter!
6'6" works for Charles Barkley. I would agree that the MAAC is a guard league. Additionally, when playing up, it is much easier to find up-level guards than up-level bigs. You still need good bigs and it takes them longer to develop. Currently I think we're at a deficit after this year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 11:05:50 GMT -5
Yes, but 6'3"-6'5" is too small. You need at least 1 really good big at 6'8" or better. Franklin wasn't the big...that was Rossiter! 6'6" works for Charles Barkley. I would agree that the MAAC is a guard league. Additionally, when playing up, it is much easier to find up-level guards than up-level bigs. You still need good bigs and it takes them longer to develop. Currently I think we're at a deficit after this year. Yeah, so the question obviously becomes whether WB can be that guy...or Fisher...or we continue to search. I think the goal should be 3-4 true bigs on the roster and hope 2 work out. Then a Long/Andujar type guy or 2. And the rest guards. It shouldn't be 5 bigs like we've had under JP. Mitch toiled with 6. Sydney and Masiello got up to 7-8 last couple of years. I mean be flexible by all means but that should be your base. We should have more wing depth. I'm not really blaming Jimmy too much as most of the MAAC is recruiting horribly and managing their rosters poorly the last few years. It's the reason the MAAC is so down. I'm just expressing my opinion.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 31, 2016 11:08:19 GMT -5
Starting line-up in '17-'18
PG--Smithen (jr) 2G--Nico (jr) SF--Joseph (sr) PF--WB (jr) C--Big man transfer they're working on now (jr)
With Wormley and Richard as the back-up guards, Kinnon and Huerter at SF, Fisher inside.
The 4 scholarships we fill, as of now, would be Huerter, McLaren and guessing another 6'7" athletic insider, and probably best available wing. With Huerter and McLaren getting two of the 4, we can't miss on the other two. They need to be special kids. I don't expect much of a dropoff with that veteran starting line-up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 11:17:46 GMT -5
Starting line-up in '17-'18 PG--Smithen (jr) 2G--Nico (jr) SF--Joseph (sr) PF--WB (jr) C--Big man transfer they're working on now (jr) With Wormley and Richard as the back-up guards, Kinnon and Huerter at SF, Fisher inside. The 4 scholarships we fill, as of now, would be Huerter, McLaren and guessing another 6'7" athletic insider, and probably best available wing. With Huerter and McLaren getting two of the 4, we can't miss on the other two. They need to be special kids. I don't expect much of a dropoff with that veteran starting line-up. You don't expect that much of a dropoff? Before most of these guys are proven? Seriously? We're really going to be dependent on Smithen and Nico for our athletic guard play. And Smithen is unproven as of yet. Joseph isn't a shooter nor a sure handed ballhandler..so while he has the athleticism...will he have the ball skills to be an effective starter? We need wings who are like PGs not wings who are like PFs. Wormley defers and has an awkwardness about his game. WB is Wiggy both offensively and defensively... We need another post for sure because Fisher is soft. Kinnon could be good if he grinds on D. Heurter is a complete wait and see. We need another Nico type bad. And a good center. Not a wait and see center. I'd say get your big, get a skilled combo F like Kennedy Koehler if you must, and get your stud wing...a guy who does it all...or get 2 stud wings...wings with stud potential.
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Post by saintsandeagles on Mar 31, 2016 11:39:22 GMT -5
Starting line-up in '17-'18 PG--Smithen (jr) 2G--Nico (jr) SF--Joseph (sr) PF--WB (jr) C--Big man transfer they're working on now (jr) With Wormley and Richard as the back-up guards, Kinnon and Huerter at SF, Fisher inside. The 4 scholarships we fill, as of now, would be Huerter, McLaren and guessing another 6'7" athletic insider, and probably best available wing. With Huerter and McLaren getting two of the 4, we can't miss on the other two. They need to be special kids. I don't expect much of a dropoff with that veteran starting line-up. Where is the scholarship for the transfer coming from?
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