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Post by yankee on Jan 17, 2015 14:02:09 GMT -5
MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:). Where did I say Patsos is "horrible" at X's and O's?? I merely said that he wasn't strong at it doesn't mean that he is horrible. Fran won simply because he had great players. Now he was a better strategic coach then Jimmy is but that doesn't mean Jimmy can't be very good. But the bottom line is this coaching staff isn't really doing him many favors. I think Manning has potential but after that I think there is a lot of concerns. I'd like to see Jimmy hire a former head coach as an assistant who has recruiting connections where Siena has thrived in Philadelphia and South Jersey. Why a former head coach though? Most likely that means that coach was fired and isn't a hot name to recruits. I instead think you need a young up and comer who is connected with those high schools. I think a high school coach looking to get into D1 is the perfect candidate. But you tell me, why do you want a former head coach in that spot?
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 17, 2015 14:10:31 GMT -5
Hate to throw in the F word but Fran did a great job, IMHO, of designing plays for certain players to take advantage of their skill set. They might run it once, twice or even three times in a game and sometimes saved them for the second half. We don't seem to vary anything other than who is on the floor and the "offense" seems geared at hoping someone gets open and either Marquis sees him or he already has the ball. Our guys can't create their own shots and certainly not in an offense that is so damn repetitive and easy on the defense. We hide nothing (actually, we don't have much to hide) on offense or defense. Screens, if and when they are set, aren't effectively used - can't recall the last time I saw a defender stripped off by an effective screen - probably have to go back to games where Brett was playing at 100%. I can't hide that I loved the Fran years. Those were some special seasons/players/etc.. Great memories.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 14:14:54 GMT -5
MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:). Where did I say Patsos is "horrible" at X's and O's?? I merely said that he wasn't strong at it doesn't mean that he is horrible. Fran won simply because he had great players. Now he was a better strategic coach then Jimmy is but that doesn't mean Jimmy can't be very good. But the bottom line is this coaching staff isn't really doing him many favors. I think Manning has potential but after that I think there is a lot of concerns. I'd like to see Jimmy hire a former head coach as an assistant who has recruiting connections where Siena has thrived in Philadelphia and South Jersey. Your going to get Ruland, there's your former coach.
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Post by greenblood on Jan 17, 2015 14:47:42 GMT -5
Maybe unless the board Nasir figure out we're smarter than the average bears while getting shit shoved down our throats repeatedly.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2015 15:05:30 GMT -5
MTS, you said, "no disrespect to the current staff", and then proceeded to say all the other assistants should be canned and that Patsos is horrible at X's and O's, which is a big portion of coaching:). Where did I say Patsos is "horrible" at X's and O's?? I merely said that he wasn't strong at it doesn't mean that he is horrible. Fran won simply because he had great players. Now he was a better strategic coach then Jimmy is but that doesn't mean Jimmy can't be very good. But the bottom line is this coaching staff isn't really doing him many favors. I think Manning has potential but after that I think there is a lot of concerns. I'd like to see Jimmy hire a former head coach as an assistant who has recruiting connections where Siena has thrived in Philadelphia and South Jersey. Fran won because he could recruit and he was an outstanding coach Sometimes you rival TH24 with your ability to make asinine statements.
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 17:15:10 GMT -5
Where did I say Patsos is "horrible" at X's and O's?? I merely said that he wasn't strong at it doesn't mean that he is horrible. Fran won simply because he had great players. Now he was a better strategic coach then Jimmy is but that doesn't mean Jimmy can't be very good. But the bottom line is this coaching staff isn't really doing him many favors. I think Manning has potential but after that I think there is a lot of concerns. I'd like to see Jimmy hire a former head coach as an assistant who has recruiting connections where Siena has thrived in Philadelphia and South Jersey. Fran won because he could recruit and he was an outstanding coach Sometimes you rival TH24 with your ability to make asinine statements. Don't kid yourself it is 80% about the Jimmy and the Joes and 20% X's and O's. Give coach K or Brad Stevens Siena's EXACT team right now ...what's their record? Maybe 8-8 or 9-7? Jimmy is an average bench coach. He certainly is good enough to win. What he needs is to be a better "General Manager" and sign elite players to win. That's why his career record is what it is. Not because of in-game coaching but the inability to bring in elite talent.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2015 17:26:01 GMT -5
Fran won because he could recruit and he was an outstanding coach Sometimes you rival TH24 with your ability to make asinine statements. Don't kid yourself it is 80% about the Jimmy and the Joes and 20% X's and O's. Give coach K or Brad Stevens Siena's EXACT team right now ...what's their record? Maybe 8-8 or 9-7? Jimmy is an average bench coach. He certainly is good enough to win. What he needs is to be a better "General Manager" and sign elite players to win. That's why his career record is what it is. Not because of in-game coaching but the inability to bring in elite talent. Please just stop! 80 % of this 20% of that you have no Idea what you're talking about .....Don't try and BS me !
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 17:29:49 GMT -5
Don't kid yourself it is 80% about the Jimmy and the Joes and 20% X's and O's. Give coach K or Brad Stevens Siena's EXACT team right now ...what's their record? Maybe 8-8 or 9-7? Jimmy is an average bench coach. He certainly is good enough to win. What he needs is to be a better "General Manager" and sign elite players to win. That's why his career record is what it is. Not because of in-game coaching but the inability to bring in elite talent. Please just stop! 80 % of this 20% of that you have no Idea what you're talking about .....Don't try and BS me ! It's about the players, dude. I'm not saying coaching isn't important. And a horrible coach can screw up good players (i.e. Lanier) but you have to have talent to win big. I'll ask you again - give this current Siena team to ANY elite coach you want and what is their record with the same exact circumstances?
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 17:30:57 GMT -5
I disagree with this --- big difference between 6-10 and 9-7 given the same exact team. Also in college the coach is almost solely responsible for selecting the team. If the team does finish with a losing record I will be ok as long as he doesn't get extended again, doesn't sign got fried and recruiting picks up. The team does have a nucleus and has won games. Let's see how next year goes. I support the team and this means supporting the players-- guys like long and wright deserve to be champions.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2015 17:33:39 GMT -5
Please just stop! 80 % of this 20% of that you have no Idea what you're talking about .....Don't try and BS me ! It's about the players, dude. I'm not saying coaching isn't important. And a horrible coach can screw up good players (i.e. Lanier) but you have to have talent to win big. Dude .... I'll ask you again - give this current Siena team to ANY elite coach you want and what is their record with the same exact circumstances? Dude- No elite coach would have recruited this cluster F of a roster in the first place. Stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals to try and prove an even more ridiculous statement you made in the first place.
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 17:36:41 GMT -5
I disagree with this --- big difference between 6-10 and 9-7 given the same exact team. Also in college the coach is almost solely responsible for selecting the team. If the team does finish with a losing record I will be ok as long as he doesn't get extended again, doesn't sign got fried and recruiting picks up. The team does have a nucleus and has won games. Let's see how next year goes. I support the team and supporting the players --- guys like long and wright deserve to be champions. I agree...but a 9-7 record is with Siena being coached by a top 10 coach nationally. I don't believe if say John Becker was the coach Siena would be 9-7 but what do I know I don't have a crystal ball haha I guess you can pin some games on Jimmy - most notably Vermont and Fordham. Jesus wouldn't have won last night's game. My main point is Jimmy will sink or swim here on how he recruits.
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Post by MTS on Jan 17, 2015 17:38:56 GMT -5
It's about the players, dude. I'm not saying coaching isn't important. And a horrible coach can screw up good players (i.e. Lanier) but you have to have talent to win big. Dude .... I'll ask you again - give this current Siena team to ANY elite coach you want and what is their record with the same exact circumstances? Dude- No elite coach would have recruited this cluster F of a roster in the first place. Stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals to try and prove an even more ridiculous statement you made in the first place. I win I said X's and O's - I would agree JP's recruiting hasn't been very good which is surprising and disappointing. Thus recruiting/roster management is 80% of the deal IMHO.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 17, 2015 17:43:05 GMT -5
Dude- No elite coach would have recruited this cluster F of a roster in the first place. Stop with the ridiculous hypotheticals to try and prove an even more ridiculous statement you made in the first place. I win I said X's and O's - I would agree JP's recruiting hasn't been very good which is surprising and disappointing. Thus recruiting/roster management is 80% of the deal IMHO. It's like I'm arguing / reasoning with my 14 yr old daughter!
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Post by gorvy on Jan 17, 2015 18:31:27 GMT -5
I disagree with this --- big difference between 6-10 and 9-7 given the same exact team. Also in college the coach is almost solely responsible for selecting the team. If the team does finish with a losing record I will be ok as long as he doesn't get extended again, doesn't sign got fried and recruiting picks up. The team does have a nucleus and has won games. Let's see how next year goes. I support the team and supporting the players --- guys like long and wright deserve to be champions. I agree...but a 9-7 record is with Siena being coached by a top 10 coach nationally. I don't believe if say John Becker was the coach Siena would be 9-7 but what do I know I don't have a crystal ball haha I guess you can pin some games on Jimmy - most notably Vermont and Fordham. Jesus wouldn't have won last night's game. My main point is Jimmy will sink or swim here on how he recruits. I agree its pointless to hypothesize on who would have a better record. I don't want to harp on the past too much what is done is done. We have jimmy and since we have him I want him to succeed. I'm convinced this material gets back to him so I am sure he realizes the importance of this years recruiting period and the necessity of doing the things required to work toward Maac dominance.
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Post by olddave on Jan 17, 2015 19:39:51 GMT -5
Let's all be objective. First Fran was a good coach, recruiter but pretty much left the cupboard bare. Took the one outstanding candidate with him. Mitch, think about it, what good player would want to play for him, perception. JP, has tried, dealt an unenviable hand this year, over achieved last year. Wolfe took a look at washy was coming in and knew he would not get minutes hence transfer, Cole, trouble, good player but. JP unfortunately has had to scurry to dill scholarships. And I do not believe the administration has made it easy on him. Most of Siena's problems have been created by the administration. Now in their new mission statement supposedly they are going to push athletics. This bs needs to be worked out quickly. Siena has to many things going for it not to be able to recruit better, more than the sports management to take to task regarding program.
Watched the Iona Niagara game while listening to the fiasco Siena Canisus game. If JP had pulled what the Niagara coach did at the end he would have been double technical. Even the wife picked up on the words. Seems they either had a great crew officiating or let many of you fill in the blanks. IMO Iona, class of league, Clueless just sits there. Question will Siena ever give it's coach same parameters for recruiting?
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