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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 20:23:08 GMT -5
Glen, as to your comment about my response seeming to be politically aimed only at Republicans. Not true at all. Several Democratic presidents have carried out negotiations with terrorist like elements in the past - Carter for example. I cited the Iran Contra as a foil to your (and others) painting a picture that somehow this was new and that our President was a traitor and should be impeached for carrying out negotiations leading to the release of the only US serviceman in captivity by the Taliban.
The case of John McCain is slightly different as well. He, at the time his release might have been negotiated, was one of many, many US POW's being held by the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese. Singling him out for special treatment was not something that he, or our Government would have wanted to do no matter what.
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Post by glen on Jun 9, 2014 6:43:01 GMT -5
MP - I think you misinterpreted my point. No worries.
Re: your position that we'd have to let these guys go in a year when "hostilities" cease...
The war on terror wasn't a conventional war so it isn't like pulling out of Afghan is the end. From my perspective, as long as we're in conflict with radical Islamists, these guys should still be held.
What's your basis for saying we'd need to let 'em go?
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Post by glen on Jun 9, 2014 6:47:14 GMT -5
I'm also not an attorney but doesn't the Geneva Convention cover uniformed soldiers. The Taliban, etc. are not wearing uniforms. Saying Afghanistan is covered seems to be a broad statement. It seems like we go out of our way to make our lives difficult. I'm sure those guys in the mountains have the pocket version handy so they can stay in compliance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 11:05:32 GMT -5
MP - I think you misinterpreted my point. No worries. Re: your position that we'd have to let these guys go in a year when "hostilities" cease... The war on terror wasn't a conventional war so it isn't like pulling out of Afghan is the end. From my perspective, as long as we're in conflict with radical Islamists, these guys should still be held. What's your basis for saying we'd need to let 'em go? I have never said 'we need to let them go' - I'm not in any decision making loop. Can you name one Taliban inspired/led/conducted terrorist attack on us? If you recall, we went into Afghanistan after al-Qaida re 9/11. Our conflicts with the Taliban started their - it is their country and they may well be infested with al-Qaida but the Taliban as a group is an element of the Afghanistan government and I'm guessing that those that say the non al-Qaida Taliban need to be freed when we leave that country are basing their interpretation on that fact. |
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Post by th24 on Jun 9, 2014 11:37:10 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Afghanistan! Radical extremists hate America because of who America is and what America represents! And they always will!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 12:56:11 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Afghanistan! Radical extremists hate America because of who America is and what America represents! And they always will!Go back to posting video links, reading your own insanity based "thoughts" is scary. Nothing to do with Afghanistan - right - I forgot we were fighting the Taliban ages ago, long before we actually entered the country. |
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 9, 2014 16:48:35 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with Afghanistan! Radical extremists hate America because of who America is and what America represents! And they always will!Go back to posting video links, reading your own insanity based "thoughts" is scary. Nothing to do with Afghanistan - right - I forgot we were fighting the Taliban ages ago, long before we actually entered the country. MP - Even more so than the fights against facism, communism, etc have been at times horrific so too is the fight against radical Islam. To mock this shows you as someone with either no taste with their humor or is incredibly misinformed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 18:46:36 GMT -5
Go back to posting video links, reading your own insanity based "thoughts" is scary. Nothing to do with Afghanistan - right - I forgot we were fighting the Taliban ages ago, long before we actually entered the country. MP - Even more so than the fights against facism, communism, etc have been at times horrific so too is the fight against radical Islam. To mock this shows you as someone with either no taste with their humor or is incredibly misinformed. I fail to see how those three cartoons mock anything other than the right wing whackos that are conducting a TOTALLY politically motivated witch hunt BEFORE the facts are known even to a small degree. Perhaps you right wingers don't realize that freedom of speech applies EQUALLY to those that disagree with you. I can only infer that the continual inability to refute most, if not all of my posts, with FACTS, disturbs you. As they say 'Tough S%^&" th24's attempt at humor must be acceptable while my totally unrelated cartoons are somehow unacceptable. Amazing! Now tell us all, which of those three cartoons do not have a demonstratable basis of fact. Go ahead - have at it. Then show me how they mock the Bergdahl situation. |
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 9, 2014 20:39:33 GMT -5
MP - Even more so than the fights against facism, communism, etc have been at times horrific so too is the fight against radical Islam. To mock this shows you as someone with either no taste with their humor or is incredibly misinformed. I fail to see how those three cartoons mock anything other than the right wing whackos that are conducting a TOTALLY politically motivated witch hunt BEFORE the facts are known even to a small degree. Perhaps you right wingers don't realize that freedom of speech applies EQUALLY to those that disagree with you. I can only infer that the continual inability to refute most, if not all of my posts, with FACTS, disturbs you. As they say 'Tough S%^&" th24's attempt at humor must be acceptable while my totally unrelated cartoons are somehow unacceptable. Amazing! Now tell us all, which of those three cartoons do not have a demonstratable basis of fact. Go ahead - have at it. Then show me how they mock the Bergdahl situation. I didn't reply to your posting cartoons. I replied to your post before them. My point remains unanswered.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 4:52:27 GMT -5
I fail to see how those three cartoons mock anything other than the right wing whackos that are conducting a TOTALLY politically motivated witch hunt BEFORE the facts are known even to a small degree. Perhaps you right wingers don't realize that freedom of speech applies EQUALLY to those that disagree with you. I can only infer that the continual inability to refute most, if not all of my posts, with FACTS, disturbs you. As they say 'Tough S%^&" th24's attempt at humor must be acceptable while my totally unrelated cartoons are somehow unacceptable. Amazing! Now tell us all, which of those three cartoons do not have a demonstratable basis of fact. Go ahead - have at it. Then show me how they mock the Bergdahl situation. I didn't reply to your posting cartoons. I replied to your post before them. My point remains unanswered.... The post you claim was mocking this situation was actually mocking th24's idiotic comment that the conflict with the Taliban had nothing to do with Afghanistan - before we put boots on the ground in Afghanistan, the Taliban had done nothing to Americans anywhere. Their agenda was ruling Afghanistan with a strict Muslim fundamentalism. Did some join with some al-Qaida factions once we were in country? Probably, yes. When Bush decided Iraq was more important we cut back our efforts in Afghanistan and the Taliban quickly increased their footprint and our reduced residual forces created non-Taliban safe enclaves. When we decided to go back and help the Afghani people well the rest is history..... |
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Post by nolesaint on Jun 10, 2014 11:31:43 GMT -5
I didn't reply to your posting cartoons. I replied to your post before them. My point remains unanswered.... The post you claim was mocking this situation was actually mocking th24's idiotic comment that the conflict with the Taliban had nothing to do with Afghanistan - before we put boots on the ground in Afghanistan, the Taliban had done nothing to Americans anywhere. Their agenda was ruling Afghanistan with a strict Muslim fundamentalism. Did some join with some al-Qaida factions once we were in country? Probably, yes. When Bush decided Iraq was more important we cut back our efforts in Afghanistan and the Taliban quickly increased their footprint and our reduced residual forces created non-Taliban safe enclaves. When we decided to go back and help the Afghani people well the rest is history..... Oh ok, you just missed his point... |
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Post by glen on Jun 10, 2014 15:28:39 GMT -5
MP - I think you misinterpreted my point. No worries. Re: your position that we'd have to let these guys go in a year when "hostilities" cease... The war on terror wasn't a conventional war so it isn't like pulling out of Afghan is the end. From my perspective, as long as we're in conflict with radical Islamists, these guys should still be held. What's your basis for saying we'd need to let 'em go? - I'm not in any decision making loop. Can you name one Taliban inspired/led/conducted terrorist attack on us? If you recall, we went into Afghanistan after al-Qaida re 9/11. Our conflicts with the Taliban started their - it is their country and they may well be infested with al-Qaida but the Taliban as a group is an element of the Afghanistan government and I'm guessing that those that say the non al-Qaida Taliban need to be freed when we leave that country are basing their interpretation on that fact. MP - You had said: Simple answer - in one year when we complete our withdrawal and our active part in any hostilities they would go free - totally, unequivocally free and have no negotiating value to obtain Bergdahl's release. Instead, we get him back and they spend a year in Qatar under watchful "eyes" and "ears"! Maybe I misunderstood but I inferred that there was some requirement to set these guys free. |
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