Disturbing era in public schools

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[CellarRat]

Beck can talk for an hour and not say anything of value. He is the MP of the right. That's an exaggeration of course.

I do know a number of teachers that are dismayed by the common core curriculum. I don't know what the solution is but it certainly isn't more fed involvement. Let the states have control or I should say keep it. The libs don't understand that sentiment, because they want the Feds to control everything.

[indian82]

What's wrong with this picture?

These Teachers Can Stay

But this girl was suspended

Just crazy. The zero-tolerance policy is just PC run amok. With all the lawyers they can't make a policy that allows for common sense? Like the 1st grader suspended for bringing a plastic knife to spread butter on his bread. (A pencil that they are told to bring is much more dangerous). Or the boy who made his fingers like a gun. The world is crazy.

[CellarRat]

Story about 9 year old is great, we should all have friends like that. The people responsible for her initial suspension must have IQs in the single digits.

The lesbian story on the other hand I liked for different reasons. Lol.

[indian82]

Mar 30, 2014 1:28:34 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Story about 9 year old is great, we should all have friends like that. The people responsible for her initial suspension must have IQs in the single digits.

The lesbian story on the other hand I liked for different reasons. Lol.

Haha

Yes, that little girl should have been considered a hero instead of suspended. And fortunately that girl was eventually allowed to return but only after the story was taken to social media and some pressure was put on the administration. But it just goes to show how insane these zero tolerance rules are. We need rules, but you have to be forward thinking enough to be able to apply them appropriately. Plus have rational people enforcing them.

[nolesaint]

This stuff if not reversed quickly will have a profound impact on the children/future of America! Nothing quite so noteworthy but our own family has experienced the liberal intolerance in our HS. My son and a friend of his each put a conservative sticker on their notebook. Both almost immediately went from A's in a couple of their classes to ... well not being able to get and A and having numerous negative comments directed their way by a couple of teachers.

Way more to the story but let me just summarize how it played out in a few sentences. When we finally found out about it we went through homework & tests questions and answers for a couple of his classes and found some grading that didn't seem ... right/accurate. So we talked with a couple of friends with children in the same classes. We found out that a couple of their children had noticed how badly the teachers had started treating our children. So we had the kids really study together for the next test (in the two most offensive teacher's classes) and plan on similar answers for some anticipated questions. It played out as we had feared...some of the anticipated questions were on the tests. Our friends children got A's our boys got D's. We went to the teacher and administration and were given lame ass defense of the grading which really pissed my wife off, who by the way was not really in support of this who exercise, and she carefully ripped them to shreds - then crickets and B's.... Regardless of how we handled it in our house what do you think the lesson is for our son and his friends....? This is example #1,112 why I've started to stand up a little more and voice my honest concern for the future of this great country! We are officially on a slippery slope and have been sliding down it for a few years now...

[CellarRat]

Mar 30, 2014 7:48:52 GMT -5 nolesaint said:

This stuff if not reversed quickly will have a profound impact on the children/future of America! Nothing quite so noteworthy but our own family has experienced the liberal intolerance in our HS. My son and a friend of his each put a conservative sticker on their notebook. Both almost immediately went from A's in a couple of their classes to ... well not being able to get and A and having numerous negative comments directed their way by a couple of teachers.

Way more to the story but let me just summarize how it played out in a few sentences. When we finally found out about it we went through homework & tests questions and answers for a couple of his classes and found some grading that didn't seem ... right/accurate. So we talked with a couple of friends with children in the same classes. We found out that a couple of their children had noticed how badly the teachers had started treating our children. So we had the kids really study together for the next test (in the two most offensive teacher's classes) and plan on similar answers for some anticipated questions. It played out as we had feared...some of the anticipated questions were on the tests. Our friends children got A's our boys got D's. We went to the teacher and administration and were given lame ass defense of the grading which really pissed my wife off, who by the way was not really in support of this who exercise, and she carefully ripped them to shreds - then crickets and B's.... Regardless of how we handled it in our house what do you think the lesson is for our son and his friends....? This is example #1,112 why I've started to stand up a little more and voice my honest concern for the future of this great country! We are officially on a slippery slope and have been sliding down it for a few years now...

Thank you for posting that. I have similar feelings and concerns. The problem is by nature conservatives are more reserved and less likely to broadcast their views on political or moral issues. This I think has contributed to the slippery slope. Staying silent and being reserved unfortunately is hurting the country.

I for the first time in my life allowed a political sign on my lawn in support of the party opposing the incompetent administration in the last election.

With regard to the teachers and the apparent retaliation, this is scary but not surprising. Teachers for the most part never leave the nest in that they are supported by family while in the education system and then complete their degrees to teach and become dependents on that system. I wouldn't expect them to think differently politically.

For this reason I have been thinking of placing my children in private schools, although it will cost more I think it will be worth it. I will just work longer and harder.

[indian82]

Mar 30, 2014 8:20:27 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Thank you for posting that. I have similar feelings and concerns. The problem is by nature conservatives are more reserved and less likely to broadcast their views on political or moral issues. This I think has contributed to the slippery slope. Staying silent and being reserved unfortunately is hurting the country.

I for the first time in my life allowed a political sign on my lawn in support of the party opposing the incompetent administration in the last election.

With regard to the teachers and the apparent retaliation, this is scary but not surprising. Teachers for the most part never leave the nest in that they are supported by family while in the education system and then complete their degrees to teach and become dependents on that system. I wouldn't expect them to think differently politically.

For this reason I have been thinking of placing my children in private schools, although it will cost more I think it will be worth it. I will just work longer and harder.

Couple comments here. First on your 3rd paragraph. Not quite sure what you mean by 'supported by family'. And I don't care how they think politically (liberal, conservative or otherwise) - that's the First Amendment and diversity of thought is good. Where I do have a problem is influencing their thoughts on students (which I assume is your point). It's OK for high school classes to have healthy debate from both sides in appropriate classes - teachers, however, have to walk a fine line. How do they express their opinions without unduly influencing their students?

OIn your last paragraph - I certainly support your consideration of private school due to this issue, but I would just put out the thought that doing that would be more in line with your statement about staying silent. Why not take the 'fight' to the public schools. A hard battle I understand, but the less resistance and the further (and easier) the tide continues to go the other way.

For the liberals here who think I am condoning enforcement of more 'conservative' teaching in schools. I am not - just balanced thinking and more open and free!! discussion (ie., w/out repercussions) of all sides. I am mostly speaking for the HS age students. I have to say elementary teaching should be pretty much the 3R's - their minds are even more susceptible to teacher/authority influence.

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No time for the Pledge of Allegiance ?!

[CellarRat]

Mar 30, 2014 8:50:52 GMT -5 indian82 said:

Mar 30, 2014 8:20:27 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Thank you for posting that. I have similar feelings and concerns. The problem is by nature conservatives are more reserved and less likely to broadcast their views on political or moral issues. This I think has contributed to the slippery slope. Staying silent and being reserved unfortunately is hurting the country.

I for the first time in my life allowed a political sign on my lawn in support of the party opposing the incompetent administration in the last election.

With regard to the teachers and the apparent retaliation, this is scary but not surprising. Teachers for the most part never leave the nest in that they are supported by family while in the education system and then complete their degrees to teach and become dependents on that system. I wouldn't expect them to think differently politically.

For this reason I have been thinking of placing my children in private schools, although it will cost more I think it will be worth it. I will just work longer and harder.

For the liberals here who think I am condoning enforcement of more 'conservative' teaching in schools. I am not - just balanced thinking and more open and free!! discussion (ie., w/out repercussions) of all sides. I am mostly speaking for the HS age students. I have to say elementary teaching should be pretty much the 3R's - their minds are even more susceptible to teacher/authority influence.

I don't want teachers to have a political opinion in the classroom. Teach the class and leave the rest at home. But this doesn't happen, at least from what I have seen. Liberal teachers are vocal and express their opinions vocally or silently through bumper stickers. The conservatives are silent, and they should be. I just want the libs to be silent as well.

You have a point about keeping our kids in the public school system rather than retreating to a safer environment. This is the struggle I'm having. I want my kids to think for themselves, not be clouded by the emotional opinions of many liberal thinking teachers.

[indian82]

Mar 30, 2014 10:09:09 GMT -5 CellarRat said:

Mar 30, 2014 8:50:52 GMT -5 indian82 said:

For the liberals here who think I am condoning enforcement of more 'conservative' teaching in schools. I am not - just balanced thinking and more open and free!! discussion (ie., w/out repercussions) of all sides. I am mostly speaking for the HS age students. I have to say elementary teaching should be pretty much the 3R's - their minds are even more susceptible to teacher/authority influence.

I don't want teachers to have a political opinion in the classroom. Teach the class and leave the rest at home. But this doesn't happen, at least from what I have seen. Liberal teachers are vocal and express their opinions vocally or silently through bumper stickers. The conservatives are silent, and they should be. I just want the libs to be silent as well.

You have a point about keeping our kids in the public school system rather than retreating to a safer environment. This is the struggle I'm having. I want my kids to think for themselves, not be clouded by the emotional opinions of many liberal thinking teachers.

I hear you on the first point. It's a fine line, but if it is stressed that all opinions are to be respected and debated I think rational teachers can do it. But a very fine line and maybe best to be avoided as you say.

On your second point, I understand your dilemma. As far as your kids go, with your involvement I have no doubt they will think for themselves. The fear is any retaliation for expressing their thoughts. Hopefully, that kind of behavior is rare, but as we've seen in this thread it exists. Good luck in this dilemma.

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A North Carolina dad with an engineering degree wrote a note in response to his son's Common Core math assignment that he says is "on steroids," and the letter went viral.

foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/31/north-carolina-father-jeff-severts-reponse-common-core-assignment-goes-viral