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Post by Sienafan on Mar 10, 2014 11:51:40 GMT -5
I agree that Siena needed another shooter. I tend to believe that player will be Cole. His presence should open up the offense and take the pressure off the other wings. As for a go to guy.. I still like Poole! Cole isn't really that great of a shooter if you look at his numbers. Most of his scoring comes from driving to the basket and getting fouled. That other shooter actually will be Paige - dude is really good from 3 often hitting 5 or so of them in a game. If they get Brandwijk, he's also an excellent 3 point shooter - as well as being an athletic big man. |
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Post by siena95 on Mar 10, 2014 12:24:47 GMT -5
Canisius did not beat Siena because they had "a go to guy", they had five guys in double figures and outplayed Siena's "bigs" in the second half. Give me a team where there are multiple guys on the court who can beat you at any moment over one "go to guy" any day. well siena didn't have any bigs besides Brett in the game most of the second half..... Imoh and JO hardly saw the floor and Long was in foul trouble... so we really had the 3.5 guard offense.... nearly worked. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 10, 2014 13:01:32 GMT -5
I don't mind a big being a threat but I certainly don't want our bigs launching threes unless the other 4 guys are rebounding hard. Last thing we want to see is a big staying out at the three and siena getting killed on the boards.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 10, 2014 13:37:06 GMT -5
I don't mind a big being a threat but I certainly don't want our bigs launching threes unless the other 4 guys are rebounding hard. Last thing we want to see is a big staying out at the three and siena getting killed on the boards. Siena rebounds by committee. Only one guy gets back while everyone else crashes hard on every shot attempt. |
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Post by Quackman on Mar 10, 2014 14:25:09 GMT -5
During Sienas best years they had 4 players that could beat you scoring and a great distributor in Moore. If you are implying that those teams did not have a "go to" guy, I will counter with Hasbrouck. Don't get me wrong, it took several orders of onions to beat Ohio State, but they never would have been served if Hasbrouck didn't score the final 5 Siena points in the second half, including a clutch corner 3 pointer. And while Tay hit the six memorable treys against Vanderbilt, Hasbrouck's 30 points kept the Commodores at bay. He was our "go to" guy and had outstanding complementary pieces, the difference between first round wins and the loss against Purdue. This is what I am talking about-- in order to have an elite mid major team, you have to have both. Canisius is a POS team without Barron, with Barron they are only as good as the MAAC semifinals. That's not saying much. I loved Hasbrouck but he was no more the go to guy than Ubiles or Franklin. He hit some big shots in his career but many on this board wanted him (foolishly) replaced by Jackson midway through his senior season. Hewitt's teams were pretty good and never features a "go to" guy either. As I recall, during those years, Niagara has Alvin Young and Loyola had Jason Rowe ... neither ever went to the NCAA tournament. Give me a team where you have 3 or 4 guys that are legitimate offensive threats on the floor plus a play making point guard. Another year together, along with the additions of Cole and Paige, and Siena will be in that position. I think the pieces are in place for Siena to take that next step. Iona is going to be good again next year but I don't expect them to be better without Armand, Poole and Bowman. I expect the other 3 teams ahead of Siena to take a step back. I beleive the Saints will take a step forward and close the gap between them and Iona. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 10, 2014 15:12:30 GMT -5
I don't mind a big being a threat but I certainly don't want our bigs launching threes unless the other 4 guys are rebounding hard. Last thing we want to see is a big staying out at the three and siena getting killed on the boards. Siena rebounds by committee. Only one guy gets back while everyone else crashes hard on every shot attempt. yes but if your big is constantly spotting up at the 3 line then you have some issues. Against Canisius it was pretty frustrating to watch Manhertz get rebounds in the second half pretty much unmolested. He wasn't flying in grabbing some board over someone nor was he just boxing out well... often he was just standing there and going up for the rebound. No one seemed to want to put a body on him. rebounding killed siena in the second half. |
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 10, 2014 15:23:13 GMT -5
Hewitt coached from 1998-2000
he had Faison and Archbold. Both of which were better go-to guys than anyone on the current roster. Not to mention Brandon Fields who was very similar to Alex Franklin (although not quite as good)
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Post by Tony on Mar 10, 2014 15:34:32 GMT -5
Archbold only played 1 year for Hewitt( maybe two but he was back up) ..and he didn't play much.. The key to this team next year is Wright- he has to develop some sort of shot that defenses have to respect him- Canisius was playing 4 to 6 feet off him.. clogging the middle and allowing them to extend out on wings. If he can get a shot that defenses have to guard him watch out- that opens up drives for Long , Cole White , Paige etc--- plus should mean more open looks for Poole- hope you guys noticed all the open looks Iona gets -- its because they have 5 guys on floor that can score- Siena will be good next year--- to be really good like best in MAAC good Wright is going to have to take next step- hard to play with 4 guys that score--- plus with Wright a non threat made it tough to play Silas and White
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Post by playerparentcoach on Mar 10, 2014 16:19:29 GMT -5
This team has its own identity that is transforming as they grow together. A 3 headed 5 with a solid and durable pg with many combinations at the 2-4 positions that will match up well with every team in the league. Off season is important... players have to do their part in the weight room etc.. bright future
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Post by Quackman on Mar 10, 2014 17:05:39 GMT -5
Hewitt coached from 1998-2000 he had Faison and Archbold. Both of which were better go-to guys than anyone on the current roster. Not to mention Brandon Fields who was very similar to Alex Franklin (although not quite as good) Faison was very good but that team had like 4 or 5 double digit scorers. Hewitt's teams were great and a blast to watch but they were not nearly as good in the half court as they were in transition. All of their stats are elevated because of the pace/style of play. Fields played 2 years under Hewitt and was not a double digit scorer. He was no where near Franklin in talent or game. He was more Haddix than Franklin and not nearly the player either was. Archbold played 2 years under Hewitt, 1 under Orr and 1 for Lanier. With Hewitt, he was a secondary player. Under Orr and Lanier, he was featured but on less talented teams. He was, basically, Faison but not quite as good. Personally, I would take Antoine Jordan over either Faison or Archbold if I was starting a team. |
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Post by gorvy on Mar 10, 2014 17:34:42 GMT -5
We can argue semantics over who were the previous go to guys (I'll take hasbrouck all day long) but my definition of a go to guy is who wants the ball when the game is on the line. Right now no one on this team does, and hey it's understandable the best players are freshmen, and all the experienced players knew was losing. If this team wants to become elite someone is going to have to step up and get an attitude the final 5 minutes. Long can be that player if he learns how to be available. Or wright, Poole, bisping, etc.
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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 10, 2014 17:54:05 GMT -5
Archbold only played 1 year for Hewitt( maybe two but he was back up) ..and he didn't play much.. The key to this team next year is Wright- he has to develop some sort of shot that defenses have to respect him- Canisius was playing 4 to 6 feet off him.. clogging the middle and allowing them to extend out on wings. If he can get a shot that defenses have to guard him watch out- that opens up drives for Long , Cole White , Paige etc--- plus should mean more open looks for Poole- hope you guys noticed all the open looks Iona gets -- its because they have 5 guys on floor that can score- Siena will be good next year--- to be really good like best in MAAC good Wright is going to have to take next step- hard to play with 4 guys that score--- plus with Wright a non threat made it tough to play Silas and White Faison played every year and Archbold two of his three years here. Iona also has a goto guy or two when the going gets rough and offense breaks down. Long can develop to be some of the answer. Wright needs to improve perimeter shooting no matter what but siena still needs someone who can create their own shot off the bounce if they plan on winning a title |
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Post by olddave on Mar 10, 2014 21:05:05 GMT -5
What Siena needs next year is scoring from the 5 spot. Terrible year by the post players, wouldn't mind bit both IMO and JO are strong young men,, just try to dunk the ball, 90% of time you get fouled. Both have shown promise, but, both foul prone. Who has made astride in the foul department is long in latter part of year. He learned how to play, they should take notes.
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