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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2014 14:07:48 GMT -5
bottom line..............that was a "tough" call, could have gone either way, but ref had NO option with Boeheim, once he left the box and charged the middle of the court to voice his displeasure, HE HAD to get run........it was HIS fault they lost, without the technical, it is still a tight game with Duke getting the ball, with lots to play for............FYI- the play at the Dome was clearly a foul not just a block, so Orange got the benefit of that call, should be no bitching by any Cuse fan, none!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 14:52:07 GMT -5
If you are going to kill Boeheim for those techs, then you have to kill Patsos too. Several games lost by him alone by that logic.
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Post by MTS on Feb 23, 2014 14:56:47 GMT -5
If you are going to kill Boeheim for those techs, then you have to kill Patsos too. Several games lost by him alone by that logic. Only the St. Peter's game...a technical foul in the first half is really not a big deal. The game does not automatically play out the same way. |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 15:11:38 GMT -5
all I'm saying is if Patsos didn't lose the games because of the technicals than neither did Boeheim. Duke made their free throws in the end, there wasn't going to be a make up 4 point play.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2014 16:12:29 GMT -5
like mentioned........time of Patsos T's were not cause of loss(es), way to early when they occurred, and many many many plays that Siena did not complete to pull out the wins.........NOW, that does not get Jimmy off the hook for poor coaching at times this year, but the comparison is just way off base, Boeheim clearly lost this game no other argument presented at that point in the game is valid!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by indian82 on Feb 23, 2014 17:02:37 GMT -5
If you are going to kill Boeheim for those techs, then you have to kill Patsos too. Several games lost by him alone by that logic. And theyt're both fun to watch when they go berserk! And Jimmy can do it in the middle of a game for no apparent reason. Boeheim's funny - He's obviously got the classic whine and sometimes he moves his arms around to the side aimlessly like a puppet on a string. |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 17:04:47 GMT -5
Sorry, but you (goldforever) are applying a double standard here. After the bad call happened Syracuse was down 2 and Duke had the ball. Had Syracuse coach not gone ballistic all Duke had to do was inbound the ball get fouled and make free throws. Which they did. SO clearly Boeheim did not cost his team the game. If you think he did then you also have to think that Patsos did too. Pick your poison---- either the techs Boeheim made did not cost his team the game or Patsos single handedly cost his team games too.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2014 17:45:00 GMT -5
Sorry, but you (goldforever) are applying a double standard here. After the bad call happened Syracuse was down 2 and Duke had the ball. Had Syracuse coach not gone ballistic all Duke had to do was inbound the ball get fouled and make free throws. Which they did. SO clearly Boeheim did not cost his team the game. If you think he did then you also have to think that Patsos did too. Pick your poison---- either the techs Boeheim made did not cost his team the game or Patsos single handedly cost his team games too. time of game and situation, double tech, 4 FT's and rewarded ball............come on Gorvachev, game over, Jimmy B blew that game..........can't say the same for Patsos because time of T was much earlier...........if that is the case then a turnover in the first minute of the game is the reason Siena loss the game to Marist, not the botched pass by Bisping, nope..............your not winning this argument.....................and I say that still knowing Patsos coaching has been questionable a bunch of times this yr, but T's did not lose us those games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 17:57:36 GMT -5
The game was already over as soon as the refs botched the call! How do you not see that ? 2 fts for duke (they made them) - up 4 with 7 seconds Ballgame! I don't need to call you names or use extra exclamation points to win this argument it's no contest!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 18:10:38 GMT -5
No matter what, it was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much fun watching the Cuse go down and having it capped with a Boeheim hissy fit only made it that much more enjoyable. I wonder if Coach K went home and had an "orange" julep instead of the usual Jack and mint!!!!
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2014 18:21:10 GMT -5
The game was already over as soon as the refs botched the call! How do you not see that ? 2 fts for duke (they made them) - up 4 with 7 seconds Ballgame! I don't need to call you names or use extra exclamation points to win this argument it's no contest! sorry, but NO foul was called, (YET), Duke is not shooting my friend on a player control foul...................they have to inbound, then foul occurs...............OR, Cuse plays D down 2, they could get a 5 sec violation, they could steal the ball or cause a turnover, plus Duke was so-so from the line all night even if they needed to foul..............you aren't thinking clearly here, surmising that made FT's would be same and they are not, whole different situation............... and you likely are not sending same FT shooter to line on the foul as you do the 4 tech FT's.................that call was really not a definite either way, it was hardly a bad call, so why get so excited and over the top about it, he is a coach who is ALWAYS in control, but flipped his wig at the worse possible time, you wouldn't expect that from a guy who has won over 900 games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 20:10:21 GMT -5
The game was already over as soon as the refs botched the call! How do you not see that ? 2 fts for duke (they made them) - up 4 with 7 seconds Ballgame! I don't need to call you names or use extra exclamation points to win this argument it's no contest! sorry, but NO foul was called, (YET), Duke is not shooting my friend on a player control foul...................they have to inbound, then foul occurs...............OR, Cuse plays D down 2, they could get a 5 sec violation, they could steal the ball or cause a turnover, plus Duke was so-so from the line all night even if they needed to foul..............you aren't thinking clearly here, surmising that made FT's would be same and they are not, whole different situation............... and you likely are not sending same FT shooter to line on the foul as you do the 4 tech FT's.................that call was really not a definite either way, it was hardly a bad call, so why get so excited and over the top about it, he is a coach who is ALWAYS in control, but flipped his wig at the worse possible time, you wouldn't expect that from a guy who has won over 900 games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll take your backpedaling as a sign that you agree with me. Obviously Duke was going to get fouled upon inbounding the ball, I said that in my first post. Saying that Boeheim blew the game and saying that Syracuse still had a chance are too different things. I would have agreed with you if Boeheim blew his top in a tie game, not down two without the ball under 10 seconds left. Patsos techs while earlier provided the margin of victory--- the same can't be said for Boeheim's techs. Too often the focus of analysis is on the final play-- oftentimes the game is won or lost much earlier than that. And BTW, knowing the game was over, I imagine Boeheim was working the refs for the next time, in a much bigger game..... |
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Post by indian82 on Feb 23, 2014 20:36:54 GMT -5
I think he is just saying that it wasn't a guarantee that they would get the ball in - think Marist. I agree - it certainly looked bleak for SYR but the game was not over until he went ballistic. I do not think Boeheim was thinking anything but that game. In fact, he wasn't thinking at all - he didn't know whether to take his coat off or leave it on. LOL!
But I agree that the games are not won or lost in the last few plays - they are just magnified there. I said that after our game at Marist.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 23, 2014 20:53:56 GMT -5
I think he is just saying that it wasn't a guarantee that they would get the ball in - think Marist. I agree - it certainly looked bleak for SYR but the game was not over until he went ballistic. I do not think Boeheim was thinking anything but that game. In fact, he wasn't thinking at all - he didn't know whether to take his coat off or leave it on. LOL! But I agree that the games are not won or lost in the last few plays - they are just magnified there. I said that after our game at Marist. No this started because he said that it was "HIS fault they lost". I disagree, lol. He just doesn't like Boeheim, many don't, I can appreciate that. But people were killing me on here for saying that Patsos blew a few games with his technicals (even one game would be one too many). So I am calling those out who think that Boeheim blew this game-- it is a double standard to fault Boeheim but not fault Patsos. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 23, 2014 22:03:25 GMT -5
I think he is just saying that it wasn't a guarantee that they would get the ball in - think Marist. I agree - it certainly looked bleak for SYR but the game was not over until he went ballistic. I do not think Boeheim was thinking anything but that game. In fact, he wasn't thinking at all - he didn't know whether to take his coat off or leave it on. LOL! But I agree that the games are not won or lost in the last few plays - they are just magnified there. I said that after our game at Marist. No this started because he said that it was "HIS fault they lost". I disagree, lol. He just doesn't like Boeheim, many don't, I can appreciate that. But people were killing me on here for saying that Patsos blew a few games with his technicals (even one game would be one too many). So I am calling those out who think that Boeheim blew this game-- it is a double standard to fault Boeheim but not fault Patsos. no no no, never said I hated Boeheim, guy is amazing and HOFer coach, deserves a ton of respect.................should have given him the benefit of the doubt so in that I digress, plenty of plays prior to ending that could have assisted Cuse with getting the favorable outcome but it was just not meant to be..............should clarify statement then, he didn't lose the game but he clearly did not give them a chance to win it at the end, and a reminder that the game was not over prior to those technicals being called based on the score, time & situation (see Siena - Marist finish, ugh)....although you never see him lose composure like that, and he has seen it all over the yrs, this is the first time he has really gotten unraveled, but at least his players know he is behind them 1000 percent!!!!!!!!!! |
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