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Post by indian82 on Jan 25, 2014 22:14:16 GMT -5
You rarely hear me complain.
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Post by mike on Jan 25, 2014 22:38:34 GMT -5
If Brett works as hard in the offseason as he did this year, I suspect he'll be a solid MAAC player for us. My gut tells me he'll "significantly exceed" expectations again over the next 2 years. When I first saw RyRo as a freshman I was saying to myself what the hell was Fran thinking .... And how did that play out..... I vividly remember RyRo stepping on the Carrier Dome floor for the first time, pasty white skin & thin legs that appeared to bend backwards and thought - what did Fran see in this guy? And the rest is history. Brett won't likely reach RyRo's level, but they have several things in common. Both very coachable, both overcome their lack of athleticism with smart, fundamental play around the rim. Both improved dramatically off the court & in the offseason. Brett needs to significantly improve his defense, especially man to man. While he's remarkably quicker than last year, he needs to continue to improve his agility. If he does both, no one will be complaining about Brett holding the team back from reaching the top of the MAAC. He, Marquis & Poole are the 3 most fundamentally sound players we have. He's part of the solution, not the problem.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2014 23:08:13 GMT -5
I'm not underestimating him-- you guys are over estimating him ..On a MAAC championship type team Brett is a role player at best a guy that can give you 10 to 15 min on a good night.. and while you are throwing up your numbers.. you think 2 rebounds in 22 min is good ..watch both sides of the ball against Jaspers he was dominated by Jaspers big men-- Brett couldn't guard them .. I'm not blaming the Year on Brett-- but do yourself a favor start watching the defensive side of the ball. Watch the players running down the court. RR used to grab the rebound and still be one of first players down the court- tell me how often you see that with Brett. Bisping can help- he can score some points and can hit an open shot- he is for the most part a defensive liability. next year it wont be as much a s issue as I doubt we see Brett play much 4- he is too slow for that. Brett is a role player and why you guys are even arguing this is beyond me.. probably the same guys that will complain next ass kicking we take I do get you guys like Brett-- so I'm done with this topic for now -- and I could be wrong on Brett-- but as As they say I doubt it Stating that he signed at the wrong level is underestimating him. I'd bet that he would consider that an insult, and I would agree. I hate what happened to the program under MB and I blame him for the frustration and anguish of the last three seasons. With that said, I think you may be too committed to the idea that the PW only recruited stiffs that didn't deserve to wear the Siena uni. Please understand I am not defending Mitch. Brett represents the best kind of recruit that he could sign, and we know our best recruits need to be better. Teams need toughness, glue guys, and heady players. It's a bonus when those guys occasionally lay in an alley-oop or put the ball on the floor from the perimeter and score at the rim, maybe put up a double double or go for 20 on 3-3 from deep. Any of this sound familiar? Mitch recruited too low, but Brett didn't sign too high. He doesn't deserve that insult.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 25, 2014 23:48:01 GMT -5
Of course we have talent... and yes its young and inexperienced,, but dont kid yourself we are 2 or 3 players short of the top teams- now Patrick Cole will cut that gap in half. But we still need a back up point and another shooter We need help up front- Silas turns ball over too much and only can play 15 min a game or so without fouling out. Brett has worked hard - but has some serious limitations- Saints cannot play man to man D when he is in and he struggles to score and rebound against better teams- in recent 3 game stretch vs Iona and Manhattan he played starter min and avg 6 points and 2 boards a game for that 3 game stretch. Can Brett help us-- most definitely- but we really need Wolfe or JO to make sophomore jump next year and take majority of his minutes. Be honest with yourself-- do you honestly think Brett would have gotten any burn with Fran's championship teams. You want to go to top of MAAC Brett can be no more than a 5 to 10 min a game type guy Brett signed at wrong level- he is a very good player- in fact he’s be a prototypical AE big man—tough hardnosed kid that can play- can shoot the ball but limited athletically – and again I think Brett can help us in a limited role going forward—much like Josh Duell- who’s minutes diminished as Siena got more talent – same thing has to happen to Brett if Siena is to move forward I'm just curious about your comments about Brett. I thought the same about RyRo before his sophomore year; the kid just kept improving. How do we know that Brett won't continue to improve? I know Brett isn't that athletic, but either was RyRo. Just curious do you think RyRo was an AE player as well? Something you may not have picked up on with Rossiter early... His foot work was incredible even as a freshman. You could also see his base (legs and frame) were there to eventually hold the necessary strength/weight. He was also one of the best passing bigs from day one. That didn't necessarily translate to assists but the offense flowed. Bisping is a solid player on a sub .500 team. If Siena plans on competing for maac titles the talent level has to increase. He's held his own in some games but has also been completely overmatched in many others. Kid is working his ass off but that doesn't always make up for lack of speed talent etc. As others have pointed out.. much like hymes... His deficiencies lie more on the defensive side. Both really struggle at this level... luckily there aren't a lot of good bigs in the conference right now
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Post by mrsiena on Jan 26, 2014 22:09:17 GMT -5
With the little playing time Brett got last year I consider this his freshman year. Look who Jimmy is comparing him to, Bill Laimbeer. Not exactly the Road Runner. Look where he ended up. For God's sake let us enjoy Brett for the rest of this year and the next 2 years to come.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 26, 2014 22:35:55 GMT -5
I'm just curious about your comments about Brett. I thought the same about RyRo before his sophomore year; the kid just kept improving. How do we know that Brett won't continue to improve? I know Brett isn't that athletic, but either was RyRo. Just curious do you think RyRo was an AE player as well? Something you may not have picked up on with Rossiter early... His foot work was incredible even as a freshman. You could also see his base (legs and frame) were there to eventually hold the necessary strength/weight. He was also one of the best passing bigs from day one. That didn't necessarily translate to assists but the offense flowed. Bisping is a solid player on a sub .500 team. If Siena plans on competing for maac titles the talent level has to increase. He's held his own in some games but has also been completely overmatched in many others. Kid is working his ass off but that doesn't always make up for lack of speed talent etc. As others have pointed out.. much like hymes... His deficiencies lie more on the defensive side. Both really struggle at this level... luckily there aren't a lot of good bigs in the conference right now Your such a spin dr. RyRo as a freshman early on was not impressive. Foot work frame your making me laugh. Suck it up and give Brett his due.......
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 26, 2014 22:37:22 GMT -5
Something you may not have picked up on with Rossiter early... His foot work was incredible even as a freshman. You could also see his base (legs and frame) were there to eventually hold the necessary strength/weight. He was also one of the best passing bigs from day one. That didn't necessarily translate to assists but the offense flowed. Bisping is a solid player on a sub .500 team. If Siena plans on competing for maac titles the talent level has to increase. He's held his own in some games but has also been completely overmatched in many others. Kid is working his ass off but that doesn't always make up for lack of speed talent etc. As others have pointed out.. much like hymes... His deficiencies lie more on the defensive side. Both really struggle at this level... luckily there aren't a lot of good bigs in the conference right now Your such a spin dr. RyRo as a freshman especially early on was not impressive. Foot work frame you are really making me laugh.i had to roll up my pants! Suck it up and give Brett his due....... The kid is kicking ass!
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 26, 2014 22:40:26 GMT -5
Q Something you may not have picked up on with Rossiter early... His foot work was incredible even as a freshman. You could also see his base (legs and frame) were there to eventually hold the necessary strength/weight. He was also one of the best passing bigs from day one. That didn't necessarily translate to assists but the offense flowed. Bisping is a solid player on a sub .500 team. If Siena plans on competing for maac titles the talent level has to increase. He's held his own in some games but has also been completely overmatched in many others. Kid is working his ass off but that doesn't always make up for lack of speed talent etc. As others have pointed out.. much like hymes... His deficiencies lie more on the defensive side. Both really struggle at this level... luckily there aren't a lot of good bigs in the conference right now Your such a spin dr. RyRo as a freshman early on was not impressive. Foot work frame your making me laugh. Suck it up and give Brett his due....... You sir must be blind not to have seen that. Or just a casual fan of the sport. Wish we had the old board still. .. i had posted a picture his rookie year when people were nervous about him getting pushed around. The picture showed his legs in particular and I stated then that he had the frame to add the weight and that when he did he would be an all maac'er.
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 26, 2014 22:45:38 GMT -5
Q Your such a spin dr. RyRo as a freshman early on was not impressive. Foot work frame your making me laugh. Suck it up and give Brett his due....... You sir must be blind not to have seen that. Or just a casual fan of the sport. Wish we had the old board still. .. i had posted a picture his rookie year when people were nervous about him getting pushed around. The picture showed his legs in particular and I stated then that he had the frame to add the weight and that when he did he would be an all maac'er. What' s he matter double digits against Purdue Memphis and St Bonn not good enough .... Weak MAAC bigs. what BS. I know quiet a bit about the game played and coached! And I know BS when I see it. Go Brett!!!!!!!
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 26, 2014 22:48:18 GMT -5
QYou sir must be blind not to have seen that. Or just a casual fan of the sport. Wish we had the old board still. .. i had posted a picture his rookie year when people were nervous about him getting pushed around. The picture showed his legs in particular and I stated then that he had the frame to add the weight and that when he did he would be an all maac'er. What' s he matter double digits against Purdue Memphis and St Bonn not good enough .... Weak MAAC bigs. what BS. I know quiet a bit about the game played and coached! And I know BS when I see it. Go Brett!!!!!!! Hmm interesting you didn't mention much about defense. Of course if you're going to judge one side of the ball you must be a huge Hymes fan
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Post by Tony on Jan 27, 2014 5:08:06 GMT -5
A few things here
Brett is not Ry Ro— other than being white zero similarities. Brett had a good game – keep a few things in mind Brett played mainly the 4 in first half and did very little- second half Brett played almost exclusively at the 5 and was much more effective. Imoh came out a min and a half into second half and did not return Brett was spelled by JO the rest of game. At the 4 MAAC power forwards will come out and guard him at the 5 Centers are reluctant..at the 5 Brett’s speed is nowhere near the “issue” it is at the 4 And again we played FF- so Siena stayed in a 2 -3 zone the entire second half. Brett had a good game yesterday I get you guys like him and I understand why- he plays hard and is for the most part fundamentally sound –Pay attention going forward Brett’s best game are when he is at Center. The game you mention Purdue and st Bonaventure- Imoh fouled out quickly and Brett played mainly at Center.
If I haven’t been clear on this let me say this- I like Brett- he can definitely “help” us . I dont care what Jimmy calls him. Brett is not a 4—any way shape or form. he has played worlds better at the 5 this season
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Post by OneIndian on Jan 27, 2014 7:51:32 GMT -5
A few things here Brett is not Ry Ro— other than being white zero similarities. Brett had a good game – keep a few things in mind Brett played mainly the 4 in first half and did very little- second half Brett played almost exclusively at the 5 and was much more effective. Imoh came out a min and a half into second half and did not return Brett was spelled by JO the rest of game. At the 4 MAAC power forwards will come out and guard him at the 5 Centers are reluctant..at the 5 Brett’s speed is nowhere near the “issue” it is at the 4 And again we played FF- so Siena stayed in a 2 -3 zone the entire second half. Brett had a good game yesterday I get you guys like him and I understand why- he plays hard and is for the most part fundamentally sound –Pay attention going forward Brett’s best game are when he is at Center. The game you mention Purdue and st Bonaventure- Imoh fouled out quickly and Brett played mainly at Center. If I haven’t been clear on this let me say this- I like Brett- he can definitely “help” us . I dont care what Jimmy calls him. Brett is not a 4—any way shape or form. he has played worlds better at the 5 this season Accurate evaluation. That's why I would move him to 5 and insert White. I like bigfans description as well., Glue Guy. Every team needs a player like that ......
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 27, 2014 9:23:52 GMT -5
The "big" line-up was necessary when we played our early schedule against bigger conference teams. Playing all MAAC now, we need to go small to be more effective. Bisping at 5, Long at 4, White/Oliver (he's earned pt) at the 2.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 27, 2014 9:43:48 GMT -5
The "big" line-up was necessary when we played our early schedule against bigger conference teams. Playing all MAAC now, we need to go small to be more effective. Bisping at 5, Long at 4, White/Oliver (he's earned pt) at the 2. I don't think that is why they went to that lineup. If you remember, white was starting in the early games and struggled. Patsos attempted to get performance from Hymes Oliver Audu but no one was playing with any sort of consistency. So he slid Poole to the two Lavon to the 3 bisping in at the 4.
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