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Post by MTS on Feb 2, 2014 11:25:39 GMT -5
Because all coaches have their strengths and weakness like players do. Of course you'd like to have John Wooden on the bench as a brilliant X's and O's tactician but all coaches have a weakness. I'm not saying Jimmy is terrible on strategy because that would be a problem but it's not his strength. He is just average in that regard. I think recruiting is #1 you aren't going anyplace unless you have the players. Then preparation and motivation. Then in game strategy which can be complimented by a trusted assistant coach (Luke D'Alessio or Greg Manning). Ultimately the good coaches hide their weakness and surround themselves with people who do things well that they don't really excel in. Yes. Both Luke and Greg are terrific X and O coaches. Problem is Jimmy won't listen to them and often just points a finger in their face, spews spit and tells them to shut the EFF up. If you start watching the bench during games you will see that he almost NEVER takes advice from ANYONE. in my opinion, that is not a sign of a good leader in any situation. also, the I take the blame we weren't prepared line is definitely a dig at people who criticized his post game comments when he said this one is not on me....it was the players fault...my paycheck is in the hands of a bunch of 18-year-olds. not cool. Especially if you know that he hates pregame strategy and prep. Hates it, no matter how prepared the assistant scouter is..... Yeah, Jimmy sucks. Let's bring the Program Wrecker back! Is your name Paul Vandenburgh by any chance?
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Feb 2, 2014 11:26:52 GMT -5
Jimmy has brought this program back to a position where we EXPECT to beat teams that are better than us at home. This is a good thing.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:29:48 GMT -5
Actually, going down the stretch, the assistants were doing most of the timeout instruction/coaching in the huddle and Jimmy was off to the side, but let's not let facts get in the way of a "good" opinion or a hate filled rant depending on our view of things.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 2, 2014 11:31:27 GMT -5
Fran would have never lost that game. It's obvious that Jimmy is no Fran. Jimmy gets compared to Mitch, who was the worst hire in Siena history. Jimmy's coaching in this game was horrible. A few more like this and the honeymoon will be over. I pray for better days ahead. Any chance you saw the Iowa - Michigan State game? Where Iowa didn't make a field goal for the last 9 plus minutes of regulation? Was that horrible coaching by Fran? I loved Fran and wish he never left. Let's not forget that his banner years here he had a clear talent advantage over the entire conference and he took heat at times for his in game coaching as well. The in game coaching was OK. The real problem was the fouling. This is a systemic problem that needs to be addressed.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:32:50 GMT -5
Fran would have never lost that game. It's obvious that Jimmy is no Fran. Jimmy gets compared to Mitch, who was the worst hire in Siena history. Jimmy's coaching in this game was horrible. A few more like this and the honeymoon will be over. I pray for better days ahead. Any chance you saw the Iowa - Michigan State game? Where Iowa didn't make a field goal for the last 9 plus minutes of regulation? Was that horrible coaching by Fran? I loved Fran and wish he never left. Let's not forget that his banner years here he had a clear talent advantage over the entire conference and he took heat at times for his in game coaching as well. The in game coaching was OK. The real problem was the fouling. This is a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. Excellent informed observation
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:33:26 GMT -5
As to who is really coaching the team - watch the bench and TO huddles (hate using that word but can't think of another one). Greg is usually talking to the main guys, Luke will take the guy coming out for rehab, Lucious is talking to the main guys with Greg, while Jimmy is staring at someone in his shithouse. He spends more effort trying to get an answer from the kid that got yanked rather than giving the kid the answer that might help him. Save the mind games for the film session and practice floor. His in-game coaching is not strategic yet it needs to be at times. His antics re the hot seat between Greg and Luke is becoming old! Grabbing players and throwing them at the seat or dragging them to the scorer's table is not necessary - he should be using his years of basketball experience to figure out what the next step should be and not bitching about what the last guy did wrong who is now in the hot seat and OUT OF THE GAME. Tired of him trying to steal the show - we come to see the kids play not Jimmy tearing up paper or throwing a hissy fit and trashing his Mark Thomas suit.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 2, 2014 11:36:18 GMT -5
Jimmy and the kids has have brought this program back to a position where we EXPECT to beat teams that are better than us at home. This is a good thing. fixed that for you
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Post by orange77 on Feb 2, 2014 11:39:57 GMT -5
No doubt it was a heartbreaker for the team, the fans, and JP. But I credit Quinnipiac for executing well down the stretch to steal the win. I would have liked a TO on the last possession too, but the ball was in Marquis's hands which is where I would have wanted it at the end anyway. If it's JP's fault that we lost the last 2 minutes of the game, then I also give him credit for getting an outstanding effort and performance (except for the fouls) by the whole team for the first 38 minutes. I hope the kids can bounce back and play that well in their next game, knowing what they are capable of.
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Post by saratogasprings on Feb 2, 2014 11:40:27 GMT -5
MTS I'm curios as to why not being an X's and O's guy is Ok in your opinion. Seems to me it carries at least as much or maybe more weight than recruiting motivating and preparation. All of those things are necessary for success and other coaches will exploit the weakness. We lost to a better team last night but we're most definitely in a position to pull out a W had all of the qualities listed above come into play we would have won. JMO Because all coaches have their strengths and weakness like players do. Of course you'd like to have John Wooden on the bench as a brilliant X's and O's tactician but all coaches have a weakness. I'm not saying Jimmy is terrible on strategy because that would be a problem but it's not his strength. He is just average in that regard. I think recruiting is #1 you aren't going anyplace unless you have the players. Then preparation and motivation. Then in game strategy which can be complimented by a trusted assistant coach (Luke D'Alessio or Greg Manning). Ultimately the good coaches hide their weakness and surround themselves with people who do things well that they don't really excel in.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:40:53 GMT -5
Jimmy and the kids has have brought this program back to a position where we EXPECT to beat teams that are better than us at home. This is a good thing. fixed that for you Can't disagree, Jimmy has the kids believing and playing as hard as they can. It is a team effort, coaches and players (as it always is). I don't think the kids are doing it all by themselves and I'm sure they would tell us that.
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Post by saratogasprings on Feb 2, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -5
Actually, going down the stretch, the assistants were doing most of the timeout instruction/coaching in the huddle and Jimmy was off to the side, but let's not let facts get in the way of a "good" opinion or a hate filled rant depending on our view of things. Off to the side yelling at a ref or a player. Or just glaring. Perhaps he belongs in the huddle listening to the strategy his X and O guys are creating. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:52:20 GMT -5
As to who is really coaching the team - watch the bench and TO huddles (hate using that word but can't think of another one). Greg is usually talking to the main guys, Luke will take the guy coming out for rehab, Lucious is talking to the main guys with Greg, while Jimmy is staring at someone in his shithouse. He spends more effort trying to get an answer from the kid that got yanked rather than giving the kid the answer that might help him. Save the mind games for the film session and practice floor. His in-game coaching is not strategic yet it needs to be at times. His antics re the hot seat between Greg and Luke is becoming old! Grabbing players and throwing them at the seat or dragging them to the scorer's table is not necessary - he should be using his years of basketball experience to figure out what the next step should be and not bitching about what the last guy did wrong who is now in the hot seat and OUT OF THE GAME. Tired of him trying to steal the show - we come to see the kids play not Jimmy tearing up paper or throwing a hissy fit and trashing his Mark Thomas suit. There minimal experience and talent on this team. His "antics" are well founded and will change as his program progresses.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:52:52 GMT -5
Actually, going down the stretch, the assistants were doing most of the timeout instruction/coaching in the huddle and Jimmy was off to the side, but let's not let facts get in the way of a "good" opinion or a hate filled rant depending on our view of things. Off to the side yelling at a ref or a player. Or just glaring. Perhaps he belongs in the huddle listening to the strategy his X and O guys are creating. Just a thought. I'm sorry ss, but I was responding to your "observation" that Patsos never takes advice or allows his assistants input. If you want to suggest other changes in behavior fine, but just don't ignore the facts that disprove your misstatement.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 2, 2014 11:57:52 GMT -5
No doubt it was a heartbreaker for the team, the fans, and JP. But I credit Quinnipiac for executing well down the stretch to steal the win. I would have liked a TO on the last possession too, but the ball was in Marquis's hands which is where I would have wanted it at the end anyway. If it's JP's fault that we lost the last 2 minutes of the game, then I also give him credit for getting an outstanding effort and performance (except for the fouls) by the whole team for the first 38 minutes. I hope the kids can bounce back and play that well in their next game, knowing what they are capable of. Good post. It's always easy to say the whole game was on the last 2 mins (or whatever). It was a great effort all around. Personally, this loss was my fault because at about the 7 min mark I started thinking in my mind about the first celebratory post I would make here. Sorry I jinxed us. The most frustrating part about this game/season is the pattern of fouling out. That just puts us behind the 8 ball - sometimes as early as the first half.
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Post by saratogasprings on Feb 2, 2014 12:16:51 GMT -5
Off to the side yelling at a ref or a player. Or just glaring. Perhaps he belongs in the huddle listening to the strategy his X and O guys are creating. Just a thought. I'm sorry ss, but I was responding to your "observation" that Patsos never takes advice or allows his assistants input. If you want to suggest other changes in behavior fine, but just don't ignore the facts that disprove your misstatement. Well let's catch up on this as the season progresses. Keep a good eye out. One instance does not a pattern make.
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