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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 10:31:40 GMT -5
Thread police. Caution dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.
th24 has spoken!
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Post by greenblood on Feb 2, 2014 10:34:05 GMT -5
Enough with the Fran crap talk- he is not the coach-so move on people! I mean ...what exactly do you want from Jimmy..Siena do be contending his first year? He is dong the best he can with the talent on this team. For us to contend- Siena needed Cole on this team..and a solid back up point guard. Again..move on people! Next year..Cole will be playing..maybe we have a solid up at PG.maybe another SG- So ..RELAX people! I don't think any of us expected to finish above 5th this year, BUT you can't keep saying the other teams are all better than us because these are kids we are dealing with and they are flat out proving to be more competitive than many people thought (not me, by the way)_ that they would be. Many people on this board think Cole is the next coming of the savior; I will wait until his game is on the floor in competition as a part of the team. Many keep saying we need more pieces. Go over the box scores, it has been the veterans (I don't give a crap who recruited them) who have improved and kept us in games, sometimes winning the game single handedly. Guess what- we weren't supposed to beat many, as we were picked 10th. Should we just forfeit to Iona and Manhattan because they are better than us? You build a championship franchise yes, by adding some key pieces to fill 'holes' but first and foremost in the foundation, you make them believe they are winners- not merely hoping to 'hold on to a lead and eek out a victory'. Each and every one of these kids is a winner in my book, and last night I believe more than any other game, they felt the pain of letting one get away that they should have put away. IMHO, this game was lost not during the last possession in regulation, but over the last 3:30.
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Post by MTS on Feb 2, 2014 10:37:24 GMT -5
Lets acknowledge one thing Jimmy isn't the best Xs and Os guy in the world. That's alright though. He can recruit really well, he is a great motivator and prepares the team well. On paper Quinnipiac has a lot more talent then we do yet for most of the game Siena was the better team. But experience won out. Next year this game or the UAlbany game or Purdue game are going to be wins.
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 2, 2014 10:40:03 GMT -5
Folks - a word of caution for the gazillionth time - this is a message board, it is like a bunch of folks talking at the water cooler, at the bar, at a party, etc. The board represents a conversation among fans. Unless they are attacking a player or coach personally let's avoid telling people what to think, say, etc.
BTW, IMO Fran was a great coach but his team, even once they were veterans, had headscratchers too...
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Post by kmaz on Feb 2, 2014 10:47:13 GMT -5
I think JP AND the kids are doing a great job but at some point the coaching staff has to take responsibility for the fouling. I don't like the way the games are being officiated but that's not why we lost. In basketball it's always been about overcoming the officiating . The kids have to adjust..... Maybe Jimmy's not letting them? Especially when 70,80 ft from basket.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Feb 2, 2014 10:50:52 GMT -5
The flex offense doesn't rely on the coach drawing up a specific Xs and Os play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It relies on the talent of the players. Patsos teams rise and fall based on how the best players are playing. The scoring draught near the end of regulation killed us. It wasn't designed to be a scoring draught. Siena just flat-out lost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 10:57:30 GMT -5
Lets acknowledge one thing Jimmy isn't the best Xs and Os guy in the world. That's alright though. He can recruit really well, he is a great motivator and prepares the team well. On paper Quinnipiac has a lot more talent then we do yet for most of the game Siena was the better team. But experience won out. Next year this game or the UAlbany game or Purdue game are going to be wins. MTS I'm curious as to why not being an X's and O's guy is Ok in your opinion. Seems to me it carries at least as much or maybe more weight than recruiting motivating and preparation. All of those things are necessary for success and other coaches will exploit the weakness. We lost to a better team last night but we're most definitely in a position to pull out a W had all of the qualities listed above come into play we would have won. JMO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 10:59:58 GMT -5
The flex offense doesn't rely on the coach drawing up a specific Xs and Os play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It relies on the talent of the players. Patsos teams rise and fall based on how the best players are playing. The scoring draught near the end of regulation killed us. It wasn't designed to be a scoring draught. Siena just flat-out lost. Game management become critical in scoring droughts. He manages to be involved the other 36 minutes of the game.
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Post by indian82 on Feb 2, 2014 10:59:59 GMT -5
The flex offense doesn't rely on the coach drawing up a specific Xs and Os play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It relies on the talent of the players. Patsos teams rise and fall based on how the best players are playing. The scoring draught near the end of regulation killed us. It wasn't designed to be a scoring draught. Siena just flat-out lost. Good point re: the flex. But if it relies on the talent of the players, we did not have our most talented players available at a key time of the game. And that being the case, we should have a backup plan to run a play with the players available - all the more reason I would think a timeout would have been useful.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:05:19 GMT -5
The flex offense doesn't rely on the coach drawing up a specific Xs and Os play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It relies on the talent of the players. Patsos teams rise and fall based on how the best players are playing. The scoring draught near the end of regulation killed us. It wasn't designed to be a scoring draught. Siena just flat-out lost. I agree about the flex, with the starters out on the front line the flex options were fewer and more difficult to execute going down the stretch. As a result, the same passing between the guards at the top of the key that set up the "quick hitters' earlier in the game didn't develop in the last 3 minutes and made it look like "milking the clock". That said, fouling and not adjusting to the way the game was being called led to the attrition on the front line and that needs to be addressed. Bottomline, the kids all played there hearts out, it is a loss. A difficult loss, but it is what it is. The team is .500 in the MAAC and has shown significant improvement since the beginning of the season. I'm enjoying the growth of the season, was I disappointed leaving the TUC last night, yes, but the team is growing and maturing and this is a rebuilding year and the best is ahead. I am satisfied with the improvement so far.
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Post by greenblood on Feb 2, 2014 11:05:29 GMT -5
The flex offense doesn't rely on the coach drawing up a specific Xs and Os play. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It relies on the talent of the players. Patsos teams rise and fall based on how the best players are playing. The scoring draught near the end of regulation killed us. It wasn't designed to be a scoring draught. Siena just flat-out lost. Good point re: the flex. But if it relies on the talent of the players, we did not have our most talented players available at a key time of the game. And that being the case, we should have a backup plan to run a play with the players available - all the more reason I would think a timeout would have been useful. To racersedge point, to flex or not to flex.....you still need to manage the game/players.
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Post by MTS on Feb 2, 2014 11:07:08 GMT -5
Lets acknowledge one thing Jimmy isn't the best Xs and Os guy in the world. That's alright though. He can recruit really well, he is a great motivator and prepares the team well. On paper Quinnipiac has a lot more talent then we do yet for most of the game Siena was the better team. But experience won out. Next year this game or the UAlbany game or Purdue game are going to be wins. MTS I'm curios as to why not being an X's and O's guy is Ok in your opinion. Seems to me it carries at least as much or maybe more weight than recruiting motivating and preparation. All of those things are necessary for success and other coaches will exploit the weakness. We lost to a better team last night but we're most definitely in a position to pull out a W had all of the qualities listed above come into play we would have won. JMO Because all coaches have their strengths and weakness like players do. Of course you'd like to have John Wooden on the bench as a brilliant X's and O's tactician but all coaches have a weakness. I'm not saying Jimmy is terrible on strategy because that would be a problem but it's not his strength. He is just average in that regard. I think recruiting is #1 you aren't going anyplace unless you have the players. Then preparation and motivation. Then in game strategy which can be complimented by a trusted assistant coach (Luke D'Alessio or Greg Manning). Ultimately the good coaches hide their weakness and surround themselves with people who do things well that they don't really excel in.
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Post by saratogasprings on Feb 2, 2014 11:17:16 GMT -5
MTS I'm curios as to why not being an X's and O's guy is Ok in your opinion. Seems to me it carries at least as much or maybe more weight than recruiting motivating and preparation. All of those things are necessary for success and other coaches will exploit the weakness. We lost to a better team last night but we're most definitely in a position to pull out a W had all of the qualities listed above come into play we would have won. JMO Because all coaches have their strengths and weakness like players do. Of course you'd like to have John Wooden on the bench as a brilliant X's and O's tactician but all coaches have a weakness. I'm not saying Jimmy is terrible on strategy because that would be a problem but it's not his strength. He is just average in that regard. I think recruiting is #1 you aren't going anyplace unless you have the players. Then preparation and motivation. Then in game strategy which can be complimented by a trusted assistant coach (Luke D'Alessio or Greg Manning). Ultimately the good coaches hide their weakness and surround themselves with people who do things well that they don't really excel in. Yes. Both Luke and Greg are terrific X and O coaches. Problem is Jimmy won't listen to them and often just points a finger in their face, spews spit and tells them to shut the EFF up. If you start watching the bench during games you will see that he almost NEVER takes advice from ANYONE. in my opinion, that is not a sign of a good leader in any situation. also, the I take the blame we weren't prepared line is definitely a dig at people who criticized his post game comments when he said this one is not on me....it was the players fault...my paycheck is in the hands of a bunch of 18-year-olds. not cool. Especially if you know that he hates pregame strategy and prep. Hates it, no matter how prepared the assistant scouter is.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:18:07 GMT -5
Counter to Tony's position, we simply were the better team last night. The game was more than winnable - the last second desperation heave was the culmination of a wasted 20+ seconds with two TO's still in the bank. We run the flex but we also have some very nice and productive inbound plays that could have been employed following a very needed, IMHO, timeout at the 12 second mark. If Jimmy doesn't call it because he wants the kids to work it out on their own (Fran's philosophy) then shut your pie hole (not an easy task for him by any means) and let them play. Screaming at Ryan removed 20% of our offensive concentration - no other way to spin it! Jimmy can apologize all he wants to the fans but he owes those kids a big, honest apology - they played their hearts out from the start and never let up until HE decided to let the air out. One fact Coach, when you let the air out it takes a long time to pump it back up - case closed.
OBTW, the 7th foul out really hurt us - #21 was a liability for Quinny and when he fouled out things changed. JMO - that kid looked like and played like lower D2 - we needed him to stay in the game.
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Post by billmurray on Feb 2, 2014 11:24:26 GMT -5
Counter to Tony's position, we simply were the better team last night. The game was more than winnable - the last second desperation heave was the culmination of a wasted 20+ seconds with two TO's still in the bank. We run the flex but we also have some very nice and productive inbound plays that could have been employed following a very needed, IMHO, timeout at the 12 second mark. If Jimmy doesn't call it because he wants the kids to work it out on their own (Fran's philosophy) then shut your pie hole (not an easy task for him by any means) and let them play. Screaming at Ryan removed 20% of our offensive concentration - no other way to spin it! Jimmy can apologize all he wants to the fans but he owes those kids a big, honest apology - they played their hearts out from the start and never let up until HE decided to let the air out. One fact Coach, when you let the air out it takes a long time to pump it back up - case closed. OBTW, the 7th foul out really hurt us - #21 was a liability for Quinny and when he fouled out things changed. JMO - that kid looked like and played like lower D2 - we needed him to stay in the game. Agree on #21, he was our 6th man out there, I said the same thing when he fouled out. A fair point on the out of bounds options, but with the limited personnel at that point, it may not have been any different.
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