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Post by Tony on Dec 8, 2013 6:12:43 GMT -5
Money and apathy – as the cost of D1 basketball goes up, most MAAC schools are struggling to keep up with the pace of increase. They just don’t have the attendance (revenue) or support system (booster clubs) to pay the piper. Look at some recent examples- Marist wouldn’t pay Matt Brady and where have they been since ( I know Brady screwed them, but they still haven’t recovered) Niagara loses AD and Mihalich .. and where are they ? Canisius have struggled forever and once Baron runs out of sons will go back to sucking. ST Peters is barely D1 their budget is so low. Iona recently opted out of a turn at Disney because they couldn’t "afford” the travel expenses associated with Disney trip. Quinny will probably do well since they spend as does Fairfield - the rest of the MAAC not so much . Other than Siena/Fairfield/ Quinny the rest of the MAAC is spending on a NEC level. It does not bode well for future of the MAAC. And of course the MAAC is run like a socialist conference in so much that St Peters makes as much off Siena’s two NCAA victories as Siena does. There is no incentive to do well and it shows. The MAAC is down this year- which normally you would say it’s a cyclical thing- but when you look a little deeper- Marist- Niagara show no signs of life. Canisius runs out of Baron Kids this year. Both Iona and Manhattan will suffer massive graduation losses this year and both have head coaches that can’t get out of town quick enough. Of all the new comers I like Quinny- but lets face it Marist – Rider- Monmouth – Quinny are all NEC type programs. St Peters..please. The MAAC screwed the pooch when it comes to MAAC tournament , in its history Albany is only place it has ever been really successful, with maybe a pass to Bridgeport- so what does the MAAC presidents do- they screw Albany ( and its cash cow Siena fans) by moving conference tournament to Springfield. They were so concerned about Siena winning conference 3 years in a row, funny thing is those years games could have been played anywhere and Siena would have won- after all they went 44-3 against MAAC in that time frame
In Division 1 men’s basketball the gap between the haves and have not will grow considerably over next few years and I certainly hope Siena ends up on the right side of the equation . But the MAAC is not the conference it was 10 to 20 years ago and is morphing more and more into the NEC every year.
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Post by nolesaint on Dec 8, 2013 8:45:25 GMT -5
Can't get out of the MAAC fast enough.
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Post by th24 on Dec 8, 2013 9:14:35 GMT -5
Tony- GREAT POST! please forward that message to Father Kevin ASAP!
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Post by siena77 on Dec 8, 2013 12:01:22 GMT -5
I agree 100% with Tony's analysis. Moreover, the Conference needs some vision and leadership that it's not currently getting. In losing Loyola--no great loss in the big picture--the solution shouldn't have been to just add numbers (Quinnipiac & Monmouth) but to add schools that are on the rise or with potential to do so. MAAC lucked out with Q, but Monmouth is much more the NEC-level program that Tony points out. MAAC leadership with foresight would be sending feelers out to schools that can't compete year after year in A-10 (St. Bona, Fordham, Duquesne) or have natural affinities with MAAC schools and hoop traditions (Holy Cross) to begin to "raise the brand". Add to that some standards for investing in their programs (arena size, budgets) and we'd begin to weed out the hangers on like St. Peter's.
But it ain't gonna happen. The sooner we're out of the MAAC, the better.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 8, 2013 13:00:57 GMT -5
Money and apathy – as the cost of D1 basketball goes up, most MAAC schools are struggling to keep up with the pace of increase. They just don’t have the attendance (revenue) or support system (booster clubs) to pay the piper. Look at some recent examples- Marist wouldn’t pay Matt Brady and where have they been since ( I know Brady screwed them, but they still haven’t recovered) Niagara loses AD and Mihalich .. and where are they ? Canisius have struggled forever and once Baron runs out of sons will go back to sucking. ST Peters is barely D1 their budget is so low. Iona recently opted out of a turn at Disney because they couldn’t "afford” the travel expenses associated with Disney trip. Quinny will probably do well since they spend as does Fairfield - the rest of the MAAC not so much . Other than Siena/Fairfield/ Quinny the rest of the MAAC is spending on a NEC level. It does not bode well for future of the MAAC. And of course the MAAC is run like a socialist conference in so much that St Peters makes as much off Siena’s two NCAA victories as Siena does. There is no incentive to do well and it shows. The MAAC is down this year- which normally you would say it’s a cyclical thing- but when you look a little deeper- Marist- Niagara show no signs of life. Canisius runs out of Baron Kids this year. Both Iona and Manhattan will suffer massive graduation losses this year and both have head coaches that can’t get out of town quick enough. Of all the new comers I like Quinny- but lets face it Marist – Rider- Monmouth – Quinny are all NEC type programs. St Peters..please. The MAAC screwed the pooch when it comes to MAAC tournament , in its history Albany is only place it has ever been really successful, with maybe a pass to Bridgeport- so what does the MAAC presidents do- they screw Albany ( and its cash cow Siena fans) by moving conference tournament to Springfield. They were so concerned about Siena winning conference 3 years in a row, funny thing is those years games could have been played anywhere and Siena would have won- after all they went 44-3 against MAAC in that time frame In Division 1 men’s basketball the gap between the haves and have not will grow considerably over next few years and I certainly hope Siena ends up on the right side of the equation . But the MAAC is not the conference it was 10 to 20 years ago and is morphing more and more into the NEC every year. Exactly, I have been saying similar for a few years now. That's why I laughed at those predicting a 10th place finish, I mean come on. Either the coach is good or he isn't, because a good coach should be able to finish near the top of this league in short order. With the number of new programs in Division 1, and the expansion of conferences, if Siena doesn't move up, it will go backward. Siena can't get out soon enough, the only question is will they.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 16, 2013 9:49:14 GMT -5
Money and apathy – as the cost of D1 basketball goes up, most MAAC schools are struggling to keep up with the pace of increase. They just don’t have the attendance (revenue) or support system (booster clubs) to pay the piper. Look at some recent examples- Marist wouldn’t pay Matt Brady and where have they been since ( I know Brady screwed them, but they still haven’t recovered) Niagara loses AD and Mihalich .. and where are they ? Canisius have struggled forever and once Baron runs out of sons will go back to sucking. ST Peters is barely D1 their budget is so low. Iona recently opted out of a turn at Disney because they couldn’t "afford” the travel expenses associated with Disney trip. Quinny will probably do well since they spend as does Fairfield - the rest of the MAAC not so much . Other than Siena/Fairfield/ Quinny the rest of the MAAC is spending on a NEC level. It does not bode well for future of the MAAC. And of course the MAAC is run like a socialist conference in so much that St Peters makes as much off Siena’s two NCAA victories as Siena does. There is no incentive to do well and it shows. The MAAC is down this year- which normally you would say it’s a cyclical thing- but when you look a little deeper- Marist- Niagara show no signs of life. Canisius runs out of Baron Kids this year. Both Iona and Manhattan will suffer massive graduation losses this year and both have head coaches that can’t get out of town quick enough. Of all the new comers I like Quinny- but lets face it Marist – Rider- Monmouth – Quinny are all NEC type programs. St Peters..please. The MAAC screwed the pooch when it comes to MAAC tournament , in its history Albany is only place it has ever been really successful, with maybe a pass to Bridgeport- so what does the MAAC presidents do- they screw Albany ( and its cash cow Siena fans) by moving conference tournament to Springfield. They were so concerned about Siena winning conference 3 years in a row, funny thing is those years games could have been played anywhere and Siena would have won- after all they went 44-3 against MAAC in that time frame In Division 1 men’s basketball the gap between the haves and have not will grow considerably over next few years and I certainly hope Siena ends up on the right side of the equation . But the MAAC is not the conference it was 10 to 20 years ago and is morphing more and more into the NEC every year. Exactly, I have been saying similar for a few years now. That's why I laughed at those predicting a 10th place finish, I mean come on. Either the coach is good or he isn't, because a good coach should be able to finish near the top of this league in short order. With the number of new programs in Division 1, and the expansion of conferences, if Siena doesn't move up, it will go backward. Siena can't get out soon enough, the only question is will they. So agree with this analysis. I will also add that I believe if the move does not come within the next three years, I fear we will lose a window of opportunity to get out, and we will also be on the coaching search trail again rolling the dice.....Just MHO.
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Post by Tony on Dec 16, 2013 16:55:26 GMT -5
fear not--- I'd be shocked if we were in the MAAC 3 years from now..two much "stuff" already in motion from practice facility to budget increases
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Post by glensfalls on Dec 16, 2013 21:38:03 GMT -5
Brady's move from Marist is not unpredictable since it was to a state school in the CAA which is more respected conference than the MAAC.
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Post by Tony on Dec 17, 2013 4:43:17 GMT -5
JMU isn’t a basketball school- hell after getting raise and leading JMU to NCAA’s and 5 years at JMU Brady is only making 290K. Foxes were paying Brady peanuts( by D1 head coaching standards) - he had foxes rolling McCann was packed and Marist wouldn’t pay. And that’s OK..I understand why Foxes wouldn’t pay- Most low majors wont pay
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Post by glensfalls on Dec 17, 2013 22:06:38 GMT -5
JMU isn’t a basketball school- hell after getting raise and leading JMU to NCAA’s and 5 years at JMU Brady is only making 290K. Tony..... do you have a cite to confirm that Coach Brady is making $290,000 as full compensation? My question is not to challenge the correctness of your statement but I am interested in where you retrieved the information. Thanks.
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2013 5:00:07 GMT -5
Google it Glens falls as a public university all salaries are public knowledge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 7:21:10 GMT -5
Google it Glens falls as a public university all salaries are public knowledge I think he was asking for another source when he said "full compensation". I too am curious about that, in cases like Brady's and Will Brown's. The salary is public record, all of the perks are not. Will Brown is making about $350k at UAlbany but I'd bet it's closer to $500k with all the add-ons which aren't included in public record.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 7:25:19 GMT -5
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Post by Tony on Dec 18, 2013 16:32:16 GMT -5
Well there my point Brady isn't making huge Bucks after being at JMU for what 5 years and a NCAA bid.. he was making peanuts at Marist. And Upstate what add on aren't part of the public record--if I remember correctly you can view Browns Entire contract since its a public institution and all forms of compensation are supposed to be reported and "taxed" Will Brown contract was listed at 248K with a total compensation of 296K for 2012..are you saying that isn't correct ? And/or SUNY isn't reporting all income they pay Brown?
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