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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 6:36:47 GMT -5
.....so satisfying to see ALL the kids get after it defensively against a deeper, more talented and experienced team from a better conference. --Bisping was PHENOMINAL!! Played out of his mind against bigger, stronger players. Gave us big minutes inside when both centers combined for only 18 minutes. --Silas only got 16 minutes in, but was also a pleasant surprise. 5 reb, 3 blocks and 3-4 from the field in that foul-plagued game (Jimmy should have sat him for a few minutes when he got his 4th early in the 2nd half....especially knowing he didn't have J.O.) --Lavon is a beast, and quietly becoming our best all-around player. 15pts, 5reb, 3blk and 2 stl..........great game! --Wright played a real good floor game (7 assists) and Jimmy gave him the ball at game time and the kid came thru with flying colors! --White is just a tough S.O.B. that I think epitomizes the change in this programs attitude. Fearless and knows how to play. Big three at the half, and unselfish dish to Lavon for a "and 1." --Hymes has a role on this team with his quickness and abilty to score the ball. He even stuck his "nose in there" a few times tonight! Huge steal late. Established himself as a scoring boost off the bench. Roles are starting to come together,and sorry, but it speaks volumes that our "1st team All-MAAC" player was invisible and we won the game. Good to see the ball spread around, and getting everyone involved. Winning basketball!! Could be a fun season folks, and defintely a bright future. HJ, you can't freak'in let it go. On the way home tonight, my wife said everyone on the site will really be happy. And I said to her, don't worry there's a couple of jerks that have to be negative even after a great win like tonight. She said, you've got to be kidding, why ? I said that I don't get it either, honey. This kid carried us scoring the last couple of games, tonight wasn't his night offensively. I think everyone else but you understands that happens in sports. Did you have a bad childhood or something. All would agree that I am one who would jump to the defense of any of our players but, c'mon MM, HJ's analysis of this game is likely the most positive AND ACCURATE assessment he's ever made. Calling Rob invisible is not a slam on Rob - it's a statistical fact. Rob didn't self-annoit himself as a pre-season All MAAC player so that reference was classic HJ and made for HG's "benefit" only, IMO. Both high scorers on the two teams were rendered "invisible" on the stat sheet - that happens and we came out on the winning side because 9 other guys picked up their games ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. This was a team win and Rob would be the first to applaud his teammates and accept the win. His misses were all close and his quick fouls pinned him early. The play of others allowed Jimmy to keep him there more in line with the two fouls first half and you sit philosophy of many HC's. He was not doubled but did draw their best defensive player and that didn't hurt us. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 7:14:14 GMT -5
HJ, you can't freak'in let it go. On the way home tonight, my wife said everyone on the site will really be happy. And I said to her, don't worry there's a couple of jerks that have to be negative even after a great win like tonight. She said, you've got to be kidding, why ? I said that I don't get it either, honey. This kid carried us scoring the last couple of games, tonight wasn't his night offensively. I think everyone else but you understands that happens in sports. Did you have a bad childhood or something. All would agree that I am one who would jump to the defense of any of our players but, c'mon MM, HJ's analysis of this game is likely the most positive AND ACCURATE assessment he's ever made. Calling Rob invisible is not a slam on Rob - it's a statistical fact. Rob didn't self-annoit himself as a pre-season All MAAC player so that reference was classic HJ and made for HG's "benefit" only, IMO. Both high scorers on the two teams were rendered "invisible" on the stat sheet - that happens and we came out on the winning side because 9 other guys picked up their games ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. This was a team win and Rob would be the first to applaud his teammates and accept the win. His misses were all close and his quick fouls pinned him early. The play of others allowed Jimmy to keep him there more in line with the two fouls first half and you sit philosophy of many HC's. He was not doubled but did draw their best defensive player and that didn't hurt us. Bonnies high scorer is Matthew Wright. He had 13pts, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds. I wish that was "invisible" on our team, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 7:42:05 GMT -5
All would agree that I am one who would jump to the defense of any of our players but, c'mon MM, HJ's analysis of this game is likely the most positive AND ACCURATE assessment he's ever made. Calling Rob invisible is not a slam on Rob - it's a statistical fact. Rob didn't self-annoit himself as a pre-season All MAAC player so that reference was classic HJ and made for HG's "benefit" only, IMO. Both high scorers on the two teams were rendered "invisible" on the stat sheet - that happens and we came out on the winning side because 9 other guys picked up their games ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. This was a team win and Rob would be the first to applaud his teammates and accept the win. His misses were all close and his quick fouls pinned him early. The play of others allowed Jimmy to keep him there more in line with the two fouls first half and you sit philosophy of many HC's. He was not doubled but did draw their best defensive player and that didn't hurt us. Bonnies high scorer is Matthew Wright. He had 13pts, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds. I wish that was "invisible" on our team, lol My bad! I was referring to Kloof who came in averaging 14 and was held to 4. Wright came in averaging 16 so yes, I erred! The similarity between both Poole and Kloof being held to 4 was the point I was trying to make, poorly I might add. I also doubt anyone would call the high scorer in any game invisible but glad you pointed that out! OBTW, thank you for your service. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 7:44:27 GMT -5
Bonnies high scorer is Matthew Wright. He had 13pts, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds. I wish that was "invisible" on our team, lol My bad! I was referring to Kloof who came in averaging 14 and was held to 4. Wright came in averaging 16 so yes, I erred! The similarity between both Poole and Kloof being held to 4 was the point I was trying to make, poorly I might add. I also doubt anyone would call the high scorer in any game invisible but glad you pointed that out! OBTW, thank you for your service. I forgot about Kloof. He did nothing in 1st half, started to get going in 2nd, and fouled out. You're right. |
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Post by th24 on Nov 20, 2013 7:54:19 GMT -5
Don't worry Musicman ! If he looks like a jerk, types like jerk...guess what... HE IS A JERK!
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Post by Quackman on Nov 20, 2013 8:08:38 GMT -5
to quote a famous maac historian, stats are for losers.
No, he didn't have a great statistical game but his presences on the court and the amount of effort and attention the Bonnies spent in shutting him down resulted in other Saints getting better opportunities to score. He's gotta him the front end of the one and one.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 20, 2013 8:19:37 GMT -5
All would agree that I am one who would jump to the defense of any of our players but, c'mon MM, HJ's analysis of this game is likely the most positive AND ACCURATE assessment he's ever made. Calling Rob invisible is not a slam on Rob - it's a statistical fact. Rob didn't self-annoit himself as a pre-season All MAAC player so that reference was classic HJ and made for HG's "benefit" only, IMO. Both high scorers on the two teams were rendered "invisible" on the stat sheet - that happens and we came out on the winning side because 9 other guys picked up their games ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. This was a team win and Rob would be the first to applaud his teammates and accept the win. His misses were all close and his quick fouls pinned him early. The play of others allowed Jimmy to keep him there more in line with the two fouls first half and you sit philosophy of many HC's. He was not doubled but did draw their best defensive player and that didn't hurt us. Bonnies high scorer is Matthew Wright. He had 13pts, 7 assists, and 4 rebounds. I wish that was "invisible" on our team, lol Great game by the young Saints! I would mirror some of HJs comments and add that this is exactly what I was stating before: If we insist on forcing the ball to Poole who is then forcing shots its going to be a struggle. In the first half there were indeed some of those moments. When the game finally opened up was when the team played as a TEAM on the offensive end and just took what the defense gave them and no one man was the focus. Lavon was excellent on both ends of the floor and only had that one really bad foul. 7-10 was impressive. Some of his work in the lane was eye-opening. Wright showed us all exactly why he was Maryland POY. White is as mentioned above... flat out tough. yeah.. he shot 2-10 but anyone who watched the game saw his impact. He kept the ball alive on offense on missed shots and was very disruptive on the defensive end. One of Hymes steals was actually Whites tip away that went to Hymes. which brings me to Hymes. Played one of his best games as a Saint thus far.(as you all know i dont buy into the 20 30 points if youre getting destroyed on the other end). Evan did get pulled around the 7:00 mark on two consecutive plays his man had his way with him and Patsos got a little pissed and put White back in. Evan did come back and refrained from mistakes down the stretch Wolfe had some good moments and some not so good. As mentioned by others... that lob would have brought the house down. The more time he gets the more comfortable he will get. Ogunyemi im guessing is out a couple weeks minimum. as was mentioned ... when he came out of the tunnel he was putting no pressure on it and was on crutches. Bisping had a heck of a game and it was definitely needed. If he can put efforts like this together more often that is going to go a long way to help the loss of Ogunyemi Oliver had a solid outting in relief minutes. Something that is EXTREMELY noticeable is that the spacing on the offensive end is getting FAR better and the increase in comfort level on both sides of the ball is also quite noticeable. |
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Post by th24 on Nov 20, 2013 8:30:28 GMT -5
GREAT GAME!
1. Wright stayed out of foul trouble! Loved his last second shot!
2. Long, Bisping and Silas came up big!
3. They won as a team!!!!
- Moving forward..I'm looking for Oliver to have break out game like Bisping! And I think Siena has to find a way to go zone earlier in the game!
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Post by indian82 on Nov 20, 2013 8:44:24 GMT -5
I have to comment on White's defense. I know he is very active and disruptive, but I have also seen on numerous occasions he gets burned and his opponent goes right by him. I've noticed this in a few games but hesitated from commenting as he came in with the label 'lockdown defender'. The one I am thinking of in particular from last night was when we were up by 2 late and his guy went by him fairly easily and knocked down a jumper to tie it at 68. (but this is not the only instance I have seen.) I think of a lockdown defender as the guy tugging at his shorts, kind of daring his opponent, but does not allow him to get by - the true 'hard-nosed defender' esp at that time of the game. (Edwin knew when to play this type of defender so that he could shut his man down and those times didn't necessarily result in blocks/steals, but oftentimes prevented his man from even getting the ball and when he did, that man did not get by him.) He doesn't have to get blocks, or steals, that's a different type of defender, takes those risks and sometimes comes up big. From what I've seen, that's the category that White falls into, and his 'activity', although disruptive causes that risk/reward thing.
I love Maurice's game, but a little different than what I expected. These are just my observations as I have focused on his defense,
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 20, 2013 8:55:46 GMT -5
I have to comment on White's defense. I know he is very active and disruptive, but I have also seen on numerous occasions he gets burned and his opponent goes right by him. I've noticed this in a few games but hesitated from commenting as he came in with the label 'lockdown defender'. The one I am thinking of in particular from last night was when we were up by 2 late and his guy went by him fairly easily and knocked down a jumper to tie it at 68. (but this is not the only instance I have seen.) I think of a lockdown defender as the guy tugging at his shorts, kind of daring his opponent, but does not allow him to get by - the true 'hard-nosed defender' esp at that time of the game. (Edwin knew when to play this type of defender so that he could shut his man down and those times didn't necessarily result in blocks/steals, but oftentimes prevented his man from even getting the ball and when he did, that man did not get by him.) He doesn't have to get blocks, or steals, that's a different type of defender, takes those risks and sometimes comes up big. From what I've seen, that's the category that White falls into, and his 'activity', although disruptive causes that risk/reward thing. I love Maurice's game, but a little different than what I expected. These are just my observations as I have focused on his defense, dont forget that the rules have changed. Fran's teams used that hand checking/ forearm checking religiously. Much of that contact is no longer allowed and the calls have a number of these guys a little sideways on defense and a little timid to get another foul called. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 10:09:50 GMT -5
which brings me to Hymes. Played one of his best games as a Saint thus far.(as you all know i dont buy into the 20 30 points if youre getting destroyed on the other end). Evan did get pulled around the 7:00 mark on two consecutive plays his man had his way with him and Patsos got a little pissed and put White back in. Evan did come back and refrained from mistakes down the stretch He only MOSTLY sucks!!  |
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Nov 20, 2013 10:44:38 GMT -5
which brings me to Hymes. Played one of his best games as a Saint thus far.(as you all know i dont buy into the 20 30 points if youre getting destroyed on the other end). Evan did get pulled around the 7:00 mark on two consecutive plays his man had his way with him and Patsos got a little pissed and put White back in. Evan did come back and refrained from mistakes down the stretch He only MOSTLY sucks!! +100 Bye Bye, have fun storming the Cornell! |
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Post by $cott on Nov 20, 2013 10:55:54 GMT -5
I have to comment on White's defense. I know he is very active and disruptive, but I have also seen on numerous occasions he gets burned and his opponent goes right by him. I've noticed this in a few games but hesitated from commenting as he came in with the label 'lockdown defender'. The one I am thinking of in particular from last night was when we were up by 2 late and his guy went by him fairly easily and knocked down a jumper to tie it at 68. (but this is not the only instance I have seen.) I think of a lockdown defender as the guy tugging at his shorts, kind of daring his opponent, but does not allow him to get by - the true 'hard-nosed defender' esp at that time of the game. (Edwin knew when to play this type of defender so that he could shut his man down and those times didn't necessarily result in blocks/steals, but oftentimes prevented his man from even getting the ball and when he did, that man did not get by him.) He doesn't have to get blocks, or steals, that's a different type of defender, takes those risks and sometimes comes up big. From what I've seen, that's the category that White falls into, and his 'activity', although disruptive causes that risk/reward thing. I love Maurice's game, but a little different than what I expected. These are just my observations as I have focused on his defense, He left his feet a couple times and let his man get by him, I just "chalk" it up to freshman overexuberance. |
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Post by indian82 on Nov 20, 2013 12:25:19 GMT -5
dont forget that the rules have changed. Fran's teams used that hand checking/ forearm checking religiously. Much of that contact is no longer allowed and the calls have a number of these guys a little sideways on defense and a little timid to get another foul called. Sure there may have been some of that, but what I've observed is still not what I call lockdown defense (esp at that point of the game), but I think it’s more his natural activity/disruptiveness (somebody else called it freshman exuberance, which is fair as well), and it serves a very useful function, but still has that high risk/high reward, and I’ve seen both the risks and rewards recently. Not a knock, just my observations and not what I expected after weeks of the term ‘lockdown defender’. |
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Post by boogie on Nov 20, 2013 12:56:36 GMT -5
My thoughts..
It's a good thing we can beat an A-10 team with Poole only scoring 4pts, it speaks volumes about where this teams is heading.
I'm just amazed and impressed at what JP has done with Bisping, Silas and Hymes. I thought going into this season that Bisping and Silas would just be guys taking up mins because of the numbers we had, they're solid contributors, good players on this team.
Maurice White is a junkyard dog, an opportunistic player, absolutely love him.
We have been searching for a player like Wright since Ronald Moore, we have him.
Lavon Long has a Derek Jeter like quality, not overwhelming you with his game and abilities, but right in the middle of everything. He's not a big time shooter, bang there's a 3, and you're not scared when he takes it. He's not a 5, okay, there's several big blocks, getting the boards and loose balls. He's a winner player.
I don't know a Siena fan that isn't anything but thrilled with this group. I love going to these games.
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