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Post by $cott on Oct 3, 2013 13:53:17 GMT -5
That's not correct-- what you are thinking of Hoopjunkie is a medical redshirt-- you can play in a certain pct of your teams games usually no more than 5 games and still get a redshirt. A academic redshirt- can dress for every home game-- every road game but he cannot play 1 second in a game, if he does he loses the opportunity to apply for a redshirt. BTW I think Wolfe is the 5th best big on the team right now. Silas Long and JO are definitely better - I would expect with a year in the weight room Wolfe would be better than Bisping next year. If Jimmy thinks Wolfe is in top 3 or 4 bigs then I'm sure he will play this year-- and again no decision on that has to be made until season starts. So If Wolfe plays well enough he will play this year --- remember big men ( over 6'9") seldom are ready to play at the MAAC level. you can count on one hand how many have over last 20 years I've never seen a "academic redshirt" in my life. They may be more common in D-1 football with injuries are the norm and you may need a kid because the two guys in front of him got injured, but in basketball? I've never seen a kid "dress" if had no chance to play. (if you've seen it, let me know when). As for the medical one, if a team decides early on that a kid would be better off redshirting even if he already played a few games, an injury is invented and the kid goes thru the BS NCAA process and gets the extra year. IF Wolfe isn't better than Bisping right now, we shouldn't have taken him, and NO, I've never seen Wolfe play, but there's soemthing wrong with being concerned about getting a freshman an extra year that can't outplay benchwarmers from a 8-24 team. Trevor Cooney wore his uniform for every game during his redshirt season. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 3, 2013 14:35:06 GMT -5
HJ, you are stuck on the quality of the bigs above the player in the depth chart. If they are above the player in question, then you can assume they're above them for a reason - accolades or not. Whether Bisping is a pre-season All-American, or coming off a ho-hum Freshman campaign, if the coaching staff still thinks he is better and more prepared to contribute than a young-for-their-class, underweight Freshman at this time, then they will play more available minutes. If it looks like Wolfe will be higher up the depth chart than that, then fine, let him play from Day 1. I just don't see it happening, and certainly hope it isn't for 5 minutes a game. We're sort of past the Cuse aspect of this thread, but to clarify Coleman started 19 games for Syracuse because he was promised to start. He averaged about 12 minutes a game. Once Big East play started and the team was through with their cupcake OOC schedule, he'd play for 2 minutes, get yanked, and never get off the bench again unless there was foul trouble. I hope a year of conditioning will have him more prepared for this upcoming season. After all, some players require additional physical preparation before they're ready to contribute in meaningful ways  I agree with you here....I also believe Patsos is more than likely to be here year five unless the MD job opens up You need to do your homework on what happens to very succesful mid-major coaches.....especially at Siena. They don't last long once a big dog triples their salary. |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 3, 2013 14:48:23 GMT -5
I've never seen a "academic redshirt" in my life. They may be more common in D-1 football with injuries are the norm and you may need a kid because the two guys in front of him got injured, but in basketball? I've never seen a kid "dress" if had no chance to play. (if you've seen it, let me know when). As for the medical one, if a team decides early on that a kid would be better off redshirting even if he already played a few games, an injury is invented and the kid goes thru the BS NCAA process and gets the extra year. IF Wolfe isn't better than Bisping right now, we shouldn't have taken him, and NO, I've never seen Wolfe play, but there's soemthing wrong with being concerned about getting a freshman an extra year that can't outplay benchwarmers from a 8-24 team. Trevor Cooney wore his uniform for every game during his redshirt season. That's because at a BCS, Top 20 program like Syracuse, Boeheim would let that kid sit 30 games, and if he needed him in game 31, because it went 6 OT's, he'd burn that kids freshman year for that ONE game. Again, we're not Syracuse..... |
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Post by $cott on Oct 3, 2013 15:03:59 GMT -5
Trevor Cooney wore his uniform for every game during his redshirt season. That's because at a BCS, Top 20 program like Syracuse, Boeheim would let that kid sit 30 games, and if he needed him in game 31, because it went 6 OT's, he'd burn that kids freshman year for that ONE game. Again, we're not Syracuse..... Supposedly he asked McNamara if he should wear street clothes and was told to wear his uniform cause he was part of the team. I am guessing there are players and coaches that take that attitude at all levels. Not sure if Patsos is one. |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Oct 3, 2013 15:31:44 GMT -5
I agree with you here....I also believe Patsos is more than likely to be here year five unless the MD job opens up You need to do your homework on what happens to very succesful mid-major coaches.....especially at Siena. They don't last long once a big dog triples their salary. No I tend to stay away from the trend and go with my gut....its all a guess anyway.....no one knows what will happen in 5 years.....I expect him to be here for 4 and hopefully there are a few MAAC titles in that time span... |
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Post by $cott on Oct 3, 2013 15:35:14 GMT -5
If Patsos is successful enough to jump to another job then there is a good chance by that point that Siena is in the A10 which would further reduce the number of jobs that would be a big step up.
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Post by SaintsFan on Oct 6, 2013 7:36:02 GMT -5
If Patsos is successful enough to jump to another job then there is a good chance by that point that Siena is in the A10 which would further reduce the number of jobs that would be a big step up. I would be real careful about inviting Siena should that occur. Every other coach has been a failure. Siena would be due for another failure. I would be very skeptical and actually I am very skeptical of their hiring practices. |
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Post by MTS on Oct 6, 2013 11:27:35 GMT -5
If Patsos is successful enough to jump to another job then there is a good chance by that point that Siena is in the A10 which would further reduce the number of jobs that would be a big step up. I would be real careful about inviting Siena should that occur. Every other coach has been a failure. Siena would be due for another failure. I would be very skeptical and actually I am very skeptical of their hiring practices. By that time there might be a new AD. D'Arg would have been at Siena for over 25 years...long enough to be "retired". |
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