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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 12:03:45 GMT -5
If we're doing this just to ensure we get 3 years of Wolfe, instead of 1, then so be it. I'll take it under those circumstances.
I like his potential.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 14, 2013 12:11:38 GMT -5
1.Wright 2.Hymes 3.Poole 4.Long 5.Bisping If this is first 5 right now how do you divide the minutes from here to include Wolfe? It doesn't really matter who the "first 5" are. Wright, Hymes, and Poole will play about 90 of 120 minutes available at the 1-3 positions. White, Audu, Oliver, Long, and possibly Cole will be fighting for a share of 30 minutes. Even without Cole, that's less than 10 minutes per guy, so if it makes sense to RS Wolfe, like hoopjunkie said, it makes sense to RS 3 of these guys also. But seriously, up front, Silas and Bisping won't play more than 25 each, probably 20. Ogunyemi can play 20-25. Then Lavon can play 15 here, where you don't want him, or Wolfe plays 10-15 and develops his game. Just showed starters as a point to begin from 1-2---------3----—--4-5 Hymes----Cole------Bisping Wright----------------Javion Oliver-----Poole-----Wolfe Audu-----------------Silas White------Long-----Hopper This is how I see it....the question is what side do you put the 3 guys in the middle on?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 12:15:02 GMT -5
I know what you're saying. If we're a running team the 3's move to the 4's and you need less bigs. If we're more of a halfcourt team the bigs play the 4.
Wolfe becoming a star would be one of the major factors in us playing bigger since he's athletic and versatile.
As seniors, I could see Long, Wolfe, and JO playing together.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 12:42:11 GMT -5
It’s hard to guess how much anyone will play without first seeing them in action. Coach’s last year starters averaged around 32 minutes. But my guess is:
Bisping, Javion, Silas, 40 minutes total Poole 32 minutes Wright 32 minutes Hymes 30 minutes Long 32 minutes Oliver, Audu, White 34 minutes total
Wolfe – red shirt
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 14, 2013 12:49:56 GMT -5
It’s hard to guess how much anyone will play without first seeing them in action. Coach’s last year starters averaged around 32 minutes. But my guess is: Bisping, Javion, Silas, 40 minutes total Poole 32 minutes Wright 32 minutes Hymes 30 minutes Long 32 minutes Oliver, Audu, White 34 minutes total Wolfe – red shirt you make it look easy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 12:54:50 GMT -5
Assuming Wolfe redshirts...If Jimmy is gonna pull an "05-06" and go with the current starting lineup, our interior D is gonna be bad. Bisping is not a shotblocker at all. He'll force more turnovers than say David Ryan though and probably the other 2 bigs. However, if Jimmy isn't letting him shoot trailing threes and use his versatility out of the center spot, any offensive/FT/shooting/ball control advantage we get by having him at center becomes null and we're better off putting Silas, and JO out there. We really need Silas to get his act together. I don't think JO has it in him to be a defensive/rebounding enforcer.
I just extrapolated out the Montreal stats over 30 games. 78 blks, 254 steals over a full season for scholarship players only. That's against lesser competition.
Granted the steals would have put us up there with Niagara last year but doing that against D1 teams is a different story. We need Silas to get his head together. He can get 78 blocks by himself if he plays smart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 13:02:12 GMT -5
It’s hard to guess how much anyone will play without first seeing them in action. Coach’s last year starters averaged around 32 minutes. But my guess is: Bisping, Javion, Silas, 40 minutes total Poole 32 minutes Wright 32 minutes Hymes 30 minutes Long 32 minutes Oliver, Audu, White 34 minutes total Wolfe – red shirt Numbers do not add up. Subtract 8 minutes from Hymes to cover Wright when he is off court and that means Hymes plays 22 minutes at the SG, only leaving 18 minutes of playing time in the backcourt. for Oliver, Audu and White. I guess that means Long plays 24 minutes at the PF and 8 minutes at the SF. That leaves 16 minutes remaining at the PF and 40 at the C (56 minutes total) for Bisping, Javion and Silas. With 56 minutes for the PF and C positions there may be some room for Wolfe to get some playing time, especially if Patsos tweaks a few minutes at the other spots
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 15:33:49 GMT -5
It’s hard to guess how much anyone will play without first seeing them in action. Coach’s last year starters averaged around 32 minutes. But my guess is: Bisping, Javion, Silas, 40 minutes total Poole 32 minutes Wright 32 minutes Hymes 30 minutes Long 32 minutes Oliver, Audu, White 34 minutes total Wolfe – red shirt 1) if Hymes plays 30mpg, Siena won't win even 8 games this year. 2) Oliver and Audu each averaged over 13mpg. If they just matched that, it would leave 8mpg for White. That would make him as likely a redshirt candidate as Wolfe.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 14, 2013 16:16:33 GMT -5
I think the following is likely:
1 MW redshirts barring injury to a big. 2 White by mid season gets the most minutes at 2 assuming Cole doesn't get his waiver. 3 Hymes assumes Tay type role 4 Oliver Audu fight it out for minutes someone becomes unhappy and probably won't be here for year 3, 5 Long logs more minutes at 4 vs 3 6 if Cole gets waiver he and White log minutes a 2, Cole backups the 3 and both Audu and Oliver aren't happy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 16:51:37 GMT -5
It’s hard to guess how much anyone will play without first seeing them in action. Coach’s last year starters averaged around 32 minutes. But my guess is: Bisping, Javion, Silas, 40 minutes total Poole 32 minutes Wright 32 minutes Hymes 30 minutes Long 32 minutes Oliver, Audu, White 34 minutes total Wolfe – red shirt you make it look easy It is easy, the players that are performing play. Coach either goes small, tall or matches up with opponent Lets go Saints, come on Nov. 8th
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Post by greenblood on Sept 14, 2013 16:55:05 GMT -5
But here is the good news- there are options! And on any given night we fans may see a multitude of them deployed. Do I think we are on par with Iona and Manhattan right now? No - especially with so many underclassman and our 'veterans' coming out of the zombie like state they were forced to plod along in last season.
What happens this season will be up to the players and coaches -competing for playing time can make them all stronger if managed appropriately by the staff and I believe that will happen.
This team also has an overall better understanding and appreciation for fan base support -that was so much more evident at the meet and greet this year. Combined with the attitude of each of them playing with something to prove, I'm looking forward to some fun in Section 106 again, and car/bus rides home from away games with plenty of positive things to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 16:57:22 GMT -5
OI, you make some good points but I'll disagree with your take on either Ryan or Rich getting unhappy based on playing time and then not being around for year 3. Both of them had major reasons to be very, very unhappy last year and they opted to stay. PW did his best to completely undermine their individual confidence levels yet they stuck around and worked hard during the off season. WInning, as we all expect will be the case this year, will go a long way to keeping everyone happy as will Jimmy's running game - remember, they are all team members with a common team goal - play hard and win! Both of these guys are fine young men and will be here until they graduate in four years - take that to the bank.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 14, 2013 16:57:31 GMT -5
1.Wright 2.Hymes 3.Poole 4.Long 5.Bisping If this is first 5 right now how do you divide the minutes from here to include Wolfe? Lavon and Silas are foul prone so far. Bisping might miss some games here and there. JO broke his ankle. 1 injury and Wolfe has a legit role. If Jimmy doesn't have to make a formal decision on this fine. He can just have Wolfe on the "reserves." At some point this season, he may not have a choice. I concur with this. Given the injury and foul-prone history of the current frontcourt, the more depth, the better. You guys saw how much time Silas spent on the bench in Montreal especially.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 14, 2013 17:19:12 GMT -5
you make it look easy It is easy, the players that are performing play. Coach either goes small, tall or matches up with opponent Lets go Saints, come on Nov. 8th I concur on all points!
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 15, 2013 10:10:36 GMT -5
OI, you make some good points but I'll disagree with your take on either Ryan or Rich getting unhappy based on playing time and then not being around for year 3. Both of them had major reasons to be very, very unhappy last year and they opted to stay. PW did his best to completely undermine their individual confidence levels yet they stuck around and worked hard during the off season. WInning, as we all expect will be the case this year, will go a long way to keeping everyone happy as will Jimmy's running game - remember, they are all team members with a common team goal - play hard and win! Both of these guys are fine young men and will be here until they graduate in four years - take that to the bank. I said the same thing after watching the team together ....the makeup of old and new are a perfect mix...Patsos says he has 11 guys fighting for 8 or 9 spots... whoever ends up on the outside has no reason to be unhappy IMOP
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