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Mar 4, 2024 18:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by saints15 on Mar 4, 2024 18:03:09 GMT -5
I wouldn’t care if our league was a low major, a mid major, or Johnny Majors. I just want to win and have something to cheer about and look forward to. To be the worst team in a shitty league just makes it doubly frustrating. I care. I want the school to move up to quality conference, play better schools, and be a legit mid-major.That said, the Siena administration loves fans like you. They love fans like me?…I’m one of the fans not renewing next year if Carm is still here! As for the conference, get that dream of moving up out of your head. Nobody higher up would want us, regardless of whether the administration would financially commit to it. If we were in the AE for the last 10 years and dominating like Vermont has, then I’m going to guess we would have the same number of fans we historically have drawn to games, even though it had been an inferior league.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 4, 2024 18:25:24 GMT -5
First off the comments above have nothing to do with my original post. It’s not about a question of labels , we’re a low major program in a faultering conference. The NCAA currently has too many D1 programs. There’s not enough legitimate D1 talent to field 360+ programs. Something has to give. Secondly I care about overall league quality. The way the MAAC is slipping I don’t want to be competitive because just about ever roster is sinking to our current level. Bad basketball is bad basketball. Whether it’s one team or an entire conference. Scheduling a weak OOC to mask competitiveness is also a no go for me as is getting punked and being unable to compete outside the MAAC . QU & Fairfield (2 financially stable programs) out isn’t good for the MAAC. Dream on if you think OOC schedule will be getting better … no up conference team wants to eat a loss against a lesser league team these days … the big boys seem to be having inter-league competitions…brings in more dollars … Siena’s big OOC game will be A-10 level opponent if we’re lucky Our OOC is boring and completely unimaginative. Why do you jump to such extremes? No one is expecting to schedule P5/P6 conferences. However, we could be doing a much better job especially for the fans at home. We play in a big arena, figure out a way to take advantage of it and leverage it to our benefit. I don’t think you’re grasping the gravity of the situation when it comes to this conference, the program and the direction we’re heading.
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Post by mjs72 on Mar 4, 2024 18:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by knicksaint on Mar 4, 2024 22:34:17 GMT -5
Siena tried to acquire the former Union College programs before they were awarded to Clarkson in 2016.
This will help offset the anticipated reduction in undergraduate students with the coming decline in the number of college-age students.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 5, 2024 7:25:57 GMT -5
Our OOC is boring and completely unimaginative. Why do you jump to such extremes? No one is expecting to schedule P5/P6 conferences. However, we could be doing a much better job especially for the fans at home. We play in a big arena, figure out a way to take advantage of it and leverage it to our benefit. I don’t think you’re grasping the gravity of the situation when it comes to this conference, the program and the direction we’re heading. Siena should have leveraged the arena and fan support to stack home games years ago. We could have offered guarantees to the low majors who would have jumped at the chance for a win instead of a guaranteed loss. It likely would have increased the quality of recruits from the true state area whose parents wanted to save on travel. Instead we always had an unbalanced home/away schedule with 13 or 14 home games in a 31 game schedule, thus negating the one advantage we had.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 5, 2024 8:45:03 GMT -5
At this point, Siena is among the lowest of low "major" teams. The NET rating confirms it. DI has been diluted with many DII level programs and Siena leads the pack in the race to the bottom in that category. It is hard to justify keeping my tickets, and unless there is a drastic change in talent level at Siena (I'm not optimistic for a coaching change), if I do keep them it will not be as a Siena fan, but as a generic college basketball fan. If UA were to move to the CAA for basketball I would switch to UA season tickets. Right now the AE is better than the MAAC and the only thing that would keep me a MAAC fan is Niagara. Carm has to hit it out of the ballpark with quality JUCO and portal kids to have a chance to keep me engaged. Carm’s only chance of hitting a home run next season is if he shows up at the ball park with access to a ton on NIL cash … right now only “offering minutes” is in his coffers.
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Post by glen on Mar 5, 2024 8:58:24 GMT -5
Playing time isn't nothing. That's what most kids want. Most kids aren't getting a pile of NIL $. I don't see NIL as anything but a potential advantage for Siena. The kids going P5 were going there regardless. Now they're getting some $ too. OK. The 9th or 10th guy at a P5 school isn't getting NIL $. They're reserving that for the starting 5 + 2 or 3. That P5 kid not getting time or $ is a real potential target. With our (former) fan base one could argue that we're a big fish in a small pond. The P5 schools are poaching from each other, not just the mids. The game has changed but Siena can still compete. We just need a coach who can work with the new rules. Carm is simply a 2010 guy in a 2024 world. Even if he gets a loaded roster for next year (like he's the only coach trying for that!?!?) what about the year after? He needs to do that every year and I just don't see that in him.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 5, 2024 14:22:35 GMT -5
Playing time isn't nothing. That's what most kids want. Most kids aren't getting a pile of NIL $. I don't see NIL as anything but a potential advantage for Siena. The kids going P5 were going there regardless. Now they're getting some $ too. OK. The 9th or 10th guy at a P5 school isn't getting NIL $. They're reserving that for the starting 5 + 2 or 3. That P5 kid not getting time or $ is a real potential target. With our (former) fan base one could argue that we're a big fish in a small pond. The P5 schools are poaching from each other, not just the mids. The game has changed but Siena can still compete. We just need a coach who can work with the new rules. Carm is simply a 2010 guy in a 2024 world. Even if he gets a loaded roster for next year (like he's the only coach trying for that!?!?) what about the year after? He needs to do that every year and I just don't see that in him. I think the bottom line is that Carm is here next year, so step one is to hit a recruiting home run next year. If he can do it that is a good thing, but as you say he has to do it the next year and the next year... So the question is and can he replicate it every year? If step one is a success he has shown he can do it. Do you give him the followintg year to see if he can replicate it? That depends on the success on the court. Hitting the HR in recruiting that doesn't translate to success on the court is nothing. If he accomplishes both recruiting HR and success don't you have to give him the second shot? But let's not get ahead of ourselves. If step one doesn't pan out with players and success on the court the point is moot.
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Post by MTS on Mar 5, 2024 14:34:48 GMT -5
Playing time isn't nothing. That's what most kids want. Most kids aren't getting a pile of NIL $. I don't see NIL as anything but a potential advantage for Siena. The kids going P5 were going there regardless. Now they're getting some $ too. OK. The 9th or 10th guy at a P5 school isn't getting NIL $. They're reserving that for the starting 5 + 2 or 3. That P5 kid not getting time or $ is a real potential target. With our (former) fan base one could argue that we're a big fish in a small pond. The P5 schools are poaching from each other, not just the mids. The game has changed but Siena can still compete. We just need a coach who can work with the new rules. Carm is simply a 2010 guy in a 2024 world. Even if he gets a loaded roster for next year (like he's the only coach trying for that!?!?) what about the year after? He needs to do that every year and I just don't see that in him. I think the bottom line is that Carm is here next year, so step one is to hit a recruiting home run next year. If he can do it that is a good thing, but as you say he has to do it the next year and the next year... So the question is and can he replicate it every year? If step one is a success he has shown he can do it. Do you give him the followintg year to see if he can replicate it? That depends on the success on the court. Hitting the HR in recruiting that doesn't translate to success on the court is nothing. If he accomplishes both recruiting HR and success don't you have to give him the second shot? But let's not get ahead of ourselves. If step one doesn't pan out with players and success on the court the point is moot. Carm’s long term success for his career —if he survives this disaster— is to load up and go all in to win 20 plus games and the MAAC title in 2024-25. Then leave to take a lateral move job and get a new 5 year contract at another D1 school. His overall resume could be something like 90-82 with a postseason and regular season title. That would get him some D1 HC looks elsewhere.
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Post by james on Mar 5, 2024 14:41:22 GMT -5
The only school that would take a coach with 25+ losses in D-1 Is Siena,See Mitch. GO SAINTS!!
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Post by billmurray on Mar 5, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
I think the bottom line is that Carm is here next year, so step one is to hit a recruiting home run next year. If he can do it that is a good thing, but as you say he has to do it the next year and the next year... So the question is and can he replicate it every year? If step one is a success he has shown he can do it. Do you give him the followintg year to see if he can replicate it? That depends on the success on the court. Hitting the HR in recruiting that doesn't translate to success on the court is nothing. If he accomplishes both recruiting HR and success don't you have to give him the second shot? But let's not get ahead of ourselves. If step one doesn't pan out with players and success on the court the point is moot. Carm’s long term success for his career —if he survives this disaster— is to load up and go all in to win 20 plus games and the MAAC title in 2024-25. Then leave to take a lateral move job and get a new 5 year contract at another D1 school. His overall resume could be something like 90-82 with a postseason and regular season title. That would get him some D1 HC looks elsewhere. If Carm has the success you describe, I would guess Siena would extend his contract. Now if Carm is as vindictive as you suggest/hope, he might take his new players and transfer with them to UA and hope to drub Siena each and every year. I don't see that happening so if he is that successful, plan on having Carm around for a while. At least until things fall totally apart again. The more likely way Carm leaves after a successful season is to go out on top and get out of coaching all together. Like other coaches who don't want to play by the new "rules".
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 8, 2024 17:05:50 GMT -5
I care. I want the school to move up to quality conference, play better schools, and be a legit mid-major.That said, the Siena administration loves fans like you. They love fans like me?…I’m one of the fans not renewing next year if Carm is still here! As for the conference, get that dream of moving up out of your head. Nobody higher up would want us, regardless of whether the administration would financially commit to it. If we were in the AE for the last 10 years and dominating like Vermont has, then I’m going to guess we would have the same number of fans we historically have drawn to games, even though it had been an inferior league. That’s my opinion. Sorry.
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Post by $cott on Mar 9, 2024 15:08:30 GMT -5
Must be a fun year to have any semblance of a basketball team in the MAAC. Nine schools have to feel pretty good about their shot at cutting down the nets in Atlantic City.
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