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Post by greengold4ever on Jun 6, 2020 13:01:52 GMT -5
The NIT auto bid has completely eliminated the "regular season didn't mean anything" complaint. perhaps that might be your perspective..........but knowing you lose in a dumb conference tourney and thus you get the "consolation" prize of the NIT if you finish 1st..............if each league TRULY wants the BEST team to go and play for a national championship, the team that is best during the 4-5 month regular season is your answer.............and I say that knowing that I enjoy the conference tourneys as well, but understand what drives them..........
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Post by Quackman on Jun 6, 2020 15:23:25 GMT -5
It’s simple, if you’re the best team, you should win your tournament. If you don’t win your tournament, you weren’t the best team when it matters most.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jun 6, 2020 18:42:32 GMT -5
It’s simple, if you’re the best team, you should win your tournament. If you don’t win your tournament, you weren’t the best team when it matters most. really, and I mean really? ? .............so one "slip up" or bad game in March and you think their still not the best team based on a resume of showing it during 4-5 months of the regular season, geez...........why don't leagues give the auto NCAA bid to regular season winner and then still hold their post season tourney, and if another team wins that AND they "fit the criteria" of making the field of 68 then let them in as well, otherwise give them the NIT bid instead..........
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Post by gorvy on Jun 6, 2020 18:51:45 GMT -5
Because then the conference tourneys wouldn't make as much money. Money drives everything, not logic.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jun 6, 2020 18:55:54 GMT -5
Because then the conference tourneys wouldn't make as much money. Money drives everything, not logic. yup, we know that, but how about the scenario I posted............you still hold the tourney (for the money) and winner gets NIT if it is not the reg season champ and they don't qualify on metrics for NCAA, this way the season resume bears more weight for conf champ to gain the auto bid...
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Post by gorvy on Jun 6, 2020 19:25:17 GMT -5
Because then the conference tourneys wouldn't make as much money. Money drives everything, not logic. yup, we know that, but how about the scenario I posted............you still hold the tourney (for the money) and winner gets NIT if it is not the reg season champ and they don't qualify on metrics for NCAA, this way the season resume bears more weight for conf champ to gain the auto bid... Again, if the winner of the conference tournament does not get the auto bid with thousands of fans heading to the center of the court after the game getting Covid, there will be no interest in the tournament. They won't be televised, no one will come, and no money will be made. You need to face that reality, unfortunately.
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Post by MTS on Jun 6, 2020 20:32:36 GMT -5
It’s simple, if you’re the best team, you should win your tournament. If you don’t win your tournament, you weren’t the best team when it matters most. really, and I mean really? ? .............so one "slip up" or bad game in March and you think their still not the best team based on a resume of showing it during 4-5 months of the regular season, geez...........why don't leagues give the auto NCAA bid to regular season winner and then still hold their post season tourney, and if another team wins that AND they "fit the criteria" of making the field of 68 then let them in as well, otherwise give them the NIT bid instead.......... That’s why there are playoffs in all sports. It is to make money. I mean the best team is usually the team with the best record but the champions are the ones that win the postseason or tournament. The postseason is a crapshoot in any sport. Of course at our level the only way (barring a dominant season) is winning the conference tournament. While the HM can be average and still make the NCAAs.
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Post by $cott on Jun 7, 2020 10:27:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry but not buying that if the MAAC has a 4 way tie at 12-8 and the winner of the tiebreaker is settled by an end of season matchup between Marist and Niagara that they are clearly a better team than the team that finishes 4th in that tiebreaker and wins the MAAC Tournament. I'm not even sure a team that finishes 13-7 and loses in the MAAC Tournament to a team that went 11-9 is any better. Maybe if you wanted the fairest results you could have a team that wins the regular season by 4 or more games get the auto bid regardless of the conference tournament or just play the conference tournament and then use the computer rankings to decide who gets the bid but both of those would take away the appeal of the conference tournaments. Fact is, at least 90% of the time, conference tournaments are won by a team that is clearly or arguably the best team. The other 10% are what make them fun.
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Post by orange77 on Jun 7, 2020 12:57:48 GMT -5
I would be fine with just the top 4 regular season teams playing in the end of season tournament for NCAA bid. That might be more economical for the MAAC and fans too.
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Post by MTS on Jun 7, 2020 13:21:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry but not buying that if the MAAC has a 4 way tie at 12-8 and the winner of the tiebreaker is settled by an end of season matchup between Marist and Niagara that they are clearly a better team than the team that finishes 4th in that tiebreaker and wins the MAAC Tournament. I'm not even sure a team that finishes 13-7 and loses in the MAAC Tournament to a team that went 11-9 is any better. Maybe if you wanted the fairest results you could have a team that wins the regular season by 4 or more games get the auto bid regardless of the conference tournament or just play the conference tournament and then use the computer rankings to decide who gets the bid but both of those would take away the appeal of the conference tournaments. Fact is, at least 90% of the time, conference tournaments are won by a team that is clearly or arguably the best team. The other 10% are what make them fun. Yes. Most of the time an outstanding team that goes 19-1 or 18-2 is not losing. Could they have a bad 40 minutes and lose? Of course it happens. In football 9-7 teams have upset 14-2 teams and as you said that is what makes it fun (unless it’s your team that loses as the favorite!) Last year we won the regular season but it was by one game. I do think we would’ve found a way to win the tournament because we were playing our best basketball winning 10 in a row and 13 of 14 with a point differential of +155.
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Post by sky on Jun 9, 2020 8:07:12 GMT -5
My senile brain often fails me but didn't Clarence Jackson get injured for the Louisville game. We were a few points away from the sweet 16. The best team all year long can loose because of an injury.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 8:49:41 GMT -5
My senile brain often fails me but didn't Clarence Jackson get injured for the Louisville game. We were a few points away from the sweet 16. The best team all year long can loose because of an injury. No. That was Purdue. He played the year before vs. Louisville. Everyone expected us to upset Purdue without Hummel but we had no shooters without CJ out there.
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Post by indian82 on Jun 9, 2020 8:54:56 GMT -5
My senile brain often fails me but didn't Clarence Jackson get injured for the Louisville game. We were a few points away from the sweet 16. The best team all year long can loose because of an injury. No. That was Purdue. He played the year before vs. Louisville. Everyone expected us to upset Purdue without Hummel but we had no shooters without CJ out there. Oh my Gosh! I forgot about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 9:05:28 GMT -5
No. That was Purdue. He played the year before vs. Louisville. Everyone expected us to upset Purdue without Hummel but we had no shooters without CJ out there. Oh my Gosh! I forgot about that. If a healthy CJ plays, Siena wins that game. It would have completely changed how Siena played. Siena didn't have a single respected 3 pt shooter on the roster besides him that year. Even Ubiles wasn't 100% that year. Saints got all their wins that year because Moore, RyRo, and Franklin just knew how to make it work inside so well.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 9, 2020 11:40:14 GMT -5
That was a big blow. Then I felt bad for Jackson the following year... couldn't do it all by himself.
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