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Post by goldsaint17 on Dec 6, 2019 11:13:14 GMT -5
While I agree you have a point-- all kids want to play in the NCAA's- Dartmouth as been bad to mediocre Barry's time there- staff could sell him as kid to put us over the top for NCAA run He'd probably also get some more notoriety too. It might raise Siena enough to allow them to turn some heads. Still, most every program will be looking at a 44% three point shooter and drooling in the same manner as we would. This is my point. Siena can be attractive to him, but he’ll either have better offers (would imagine at least most A10s will want him and maybe some bigger programs) OR he’ll have places he can be the #1 or #2. We get stuck in the middle. Weakness of the MAAC doesn’t help. Also, to my understanding Barry is transferring because he’s done for all of this year with a season-ending injury and Ivy schools don’t let you play a 5th year. Without knowing what the injury is it’s hard to say if it will impact what type of interest he gets.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 6, 2019 11:54:09 GMT -5
Barry is from the Jersey Shore. He did want to come here, but wanted to start too. We had no money left, and I think Jimmy offered one if his pay one-3 free deals. Kid made right choice going to a much better school and started from Day One. I think he lived a few miles from Monmouth campus but Rice didn’t want him. He wasn’t a physical specimen but could really shoot it and knew how to play. A lankier Rich Kelly.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 6, 2019 12:54:17 GMT -5
Need shooters and experience. Can’t go into next season with all freshman / newbies and a sophomore class that hasn’t shown much.
Barry would be a great start. Any kid that can shoot it at almost 45% from 3, 85% from the stripe and almost 59% from the floor would a killer get (providing he’s healthy enough). Maybe we could sell playing time although with numbers like that you would have to think bigger programs would be sniffing around.
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Post by Tony on Dec 6, 2019 13:32:14 GMT -5
We would have three things going for us—because he isn’t the most athletic kid in the world—it would cap major programs interest in him- at major level he would only be 10 min a game type player max- secondly he is familiar with Siena , and third he could be type player to put us over the top, a nice selling point for a kid wanting to get to NCAA’s – again assuming he is healthy- Dartmouth site just says he will miss season for injury reasons –and as we know – no 5th years in da Ivy—so he is done at Dartmouth for sure . But I agree with all—would be a tough get. But could be ‘doable” Hope staff is looking into him
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Post by $cott on Dec 6, 2019 13:44:14 GMT -5
3rd guard doesn't really matter if you are going to be starting 3 guards. Lineup would be Pickett-Berry-Carey-Camper-Bigtobenamedlater. Carpenter would come off the bench. I think it absolutely does matter to the kid. If you show him a team that already has two guys who average 15+ PPG and handle the ball a lot, he’s going to see his role being relegated to spot-up shooter. There’s absolutely a role for him, but he’s probably going to have better options either in terms of role or in terms of level. Makes it tough. Haven't seen him play but on the basis that he's a 44% 3 point shooter I don't see him as the sort that wants to be the man. The guys that shoot 44% from 3 are the exact sort that would salivate at the opportunity to play in a situation with two other point guards on the floor AND still be able to guard the opposing team's weakest perimeter player.
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Dec 6, 2019 22:46:52 GMT -5
How bad we missing Seymour now? Possibly we all including the coaches should have given the kid some more respect than he got. We had him in the fold and then lost him. Right now I think we could all agree that we could use a 6'8" 3 pt specialist with NBA range. They are hard to come by. Bad loss on our part.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 22:54:14 GMT -5
How bad we missing Seymour now? Possibly we all including the coaches should have given the kid some more respect than he got. We had him in the fold and then lost him. Right now I think we could all agree that we could use a 6'8" 3 pt specialist with NBA range. They are hard to come by. Bad loss on our part. I’d rather have Richard back first...but yes...at least he was good on offense. The defense and rebounding probably would have been worse though. However, the offense would have been very good.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 6, 2019 23:23:12 GMT -5
How bad we missing Seymour now? Possibly we all including the coaches should have given the kid some more respect than he got. We had him in the fold and then lost him. Right now I think we could all agree that we could use a 6'8" 3 pt specialist with NBA range. They are hard to come by. Bad loss on our part. I’d rather have Richard back first...but yes...at least he was good on offense. The defense and rebounding probably would have been worse though. However, the offense would have been very good. With Richard & Seymour this team is easily 5-1.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 7, 2019 0:56:04 GMT -5
.....or 4-2 with a couple different coaching moves.
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Post by Tony on Dec 7, 2019 5:00:28 GMT -5
Nobody on this board defended Sloan more than me. And yeah Sloan would have helped this year. But honestly Sloan made the right choice. I said at the time Sloan decided to transfer his loss would be felt this year, but long term it would be a good move for Siena and for Sloan- he just doesn’t fit in Carm’s attack and finish style. Would have, should have, could have blah blah blah, Sloan is gone, good Luck to him. I’m confident this staff will use the ship to get us another quality player
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Post by bigfan on Dec 7, 2019 8:58:54 GMT -5
I agree with Tony - Sloan made the right call for HIM. Outside of his shooting ability, nothing else about his game is a good fit with how this team plays on either end of the court. While we don't have a shooter of Sloan's caliber on this team, I expect the 3 point shooting percentages to rebound as the season goes on.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 7, 2019 9:05:41 GMT -5
.....or 4-2 with a couple different coaching moves. Or production from the bench, or one less stupid foul 30’ from the hoop, or one made free throw, or one made jumper .....see how that goes😉 There’s usually more than one shortcoming that you can point to during a 40 minute game that impacts the outcome & yes coaching decisions are part of that as well!
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Post by MTS on Dec 7, 2019 9:08:01 GMT -5
.....or 4-2 with a couple different coaching moves. Carm is still finding his way but both moves were common college basketball coaches decisions/philosophies — sitting a player with two fouls for the rest of the half and not fouling up 3 with under 10 seconds left in the game.
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Post by texasjack on Dec 7, 2019 9:12:25 GMT -5
Nobody on this board defended Sloan more than me. And yeah Sloan would have helped this year. But honestly Sloan made the right choice. I said at the time Sloan decided to transfer his loss would be felt this year, but long term it would be a good move for Siena and for Sloan- he just doesn’t fit in Carm’s attack and finish style. Would have, should have, could have blah blah blah, Sloan is gone, good Luck to him. I’m confident this staff will use the ship to get us another quality player The only problem I had with Steve’s, I mean Sloan’s decision was the timing of it.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 7, 2019 9:20:30 GMT -5
.....or 4-2 with a couple different coaching moves. Carm is still finding his way but both moves were common college basketball coaches decisions/philosophies — sitting a player with two fouls for the rest of the half and not fouling up 3 with under 10 seconds left in the game. Don’t want to rehash this for the 100th time but it’s clear Carm’s playing it close to the vest and on the conservative side of things and is pretty much following generally accepted coaching practices. Coaches tend to sit players with 2 fouls in the first half when the 2nd foul occurs at or before the 10 min mark 80% of the time. An exception is made sometimes for guards where they are inserted around the 4 min mark depending on situations, score, bench, how the player is playing etc. Coaches tend not to foul being up 3 at the end of games, three’s generally aren’t easy to come by in those circumstances. The Swain kid hit a TOUGH 25’ plus foot jumper with JP in his grill. Congrats. It was a tough shot & more often than not a miss. We had a lot of chances to win at both Harvard and Yale. Could Carm have called things differently, yes! Coaches make decisions all the time that fans question and it’s very easy to point a finger in hindsight. Questionable stuff happens all the time. Is what Carm did incompetent? No. As Carm’s gets more experience I’m sure his threshold for risk and his philosophy under certain situations will grow and change. Let’s move on.
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