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Post by nygnep on Jun 23, 2019 14:29:28 GMT -5
The news just came out in the last day, or so. Looks like they’ll start play in ‘20-‘21.
First off, I’ll say I’ve been very much looking forward to the next realignment, even though it’s probably a few years away. However, this move was my one hope for MAYBE something sooner.
I’ll keep it brief, but assuming the AAC wants to replace the Huskies, and want a football team, although a low level entry for sure, I think UMASS could be a decent possibility.
Then who would be a better peg to fit that hole than our beloved Saints? I think they’re a great fit both from a program standpoint, as well as geographically.
Second chance - maybe the BE takes another school to even things out and we have another shot... Not to the BE, although we ARE a small Catholic basketball only school, but maybe to replace the second BE school.
Finally, I realize we need an offer, and then buy in from Siena, which I’m not sure is really there, as much as I’d like to think (wish) it is, but I have some legitimate hope that maybe something could happen.
It would be a tremendous shot in the arm for the program and the area, and could lead us to the level at which many of us think the program could and should exist.
Go Saints!!!
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Post by gorvy on Jun 23, 2019 16:43:42 GMT -5
The news just came out in the last day, or so. Looks like they’ll start play in ‘20-‘21. First off, I’ll say I’ve been very much looking forward to the next realignment, even though it’s probably a few years away. However, this move was my one hope for MAYBE something sooner. I’ll keep it brief, but assuming the AAC wants to replace the Huskies, and want a football team, although a low level entry for sure, I think UMASS could be a decent possibility. Then who would be a better peg to fit that hole than our beloved Saints? I think they’re a great fit both from a program standpoint, as well as geographically. Second chance - maybe the BE takes another school to even things out and we have another shot... Not to the BE, although we ARE a small Catholic basketball only school, but maybe to replace the second BE school. Finally, I realize we need an offer, and then buy in from Siena, which I’m not sure is really there, as much as I’d like to think (wish) it is, but I have some legitimate hope that maybe something could happen. It would be a tremendous shot in the arm for the program and the area, and could lead us to the level at which many of us think the program could and should exist. Go Saints!!! I’m in! A while ago knicksaint asked the board whether or not they would pay more for tickets if we were to go to the a10. I wonder what the results of that was. I’m not sure if there is enough buy in from the gen pop but I would love the opportunity to pay more to see better hoop even if it meant more losing and less ncaa trips. I feel even more strong about that now given an 11 team maac with only one spot.
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Post by nygnep on Jun 23, 2019 20:09:53 GMT -5
The news just came out in the last day, or so. Looks like they’ll start play in ‘20-‘21. First off, I’ll say I’ve been very much looking forward to the next realignment, even though it’s probably a few years away. However, this move was my one hope for MAYBE something sooner. I’ll keep it brief, but assuming the AAC wants to replace the Huskies, and want a football team, although a low level entry for sure, I think UMASS could be a decent possibility. Then who would be a better peg to fit that hole than our beloved Saints? I think they’re a great fit both from a program standpoint, as well as geographically. Second chance - maybe the BE takes another school to even things out and we have another shot... Not to the BE, although we ARE a small Catholic basketball only school, but maybe to replace the second BE school. Finally, I realize we need an offer, and then buy in from Siena, which I’m not sure is really there, as much as I’d like to think (wish) it is, but I have some legitimate hope that maybe something could happen. It would be a tremendous shot in the arm for the program and the area, and could lead us to the level at which many of us think the program could and should exist. Go Saints!!! I’m in! A while ago knicksaint asked the board whether or not they would pay more for tickets if we were to go to the a10. I wonder what the results of that was. I’m not sure if there is enough buy in from the gen pop but I would love the opportunity to pay more to see better hoop even if it meant more losing and less ncaa trips. I feel even more strong about that now given an 11 team maac with only one spot. I would gladly pay more, as well, Gorvy. Without giving it much thought, probably double and then some, just for the added strength of the conference schedule, to say nothing of the likelihood of getting a better non-conference schedule, just because we would be in a better league.
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Post by saintsgrad on Jun 23, 2019 21:23:44 GMT -5
If St. Bonaventure can afford the A10, we can too. I just don't believe D'Arg has the ambition to join it even if we were asked to.
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Post by glen on Jun 24, 2019 15:31:17 GMT -5
Dayton or St. Louis would be obvious grabs for the Big East. I could see them going and opening an A10 slot. That said, I'm not sure they're all that interested in Siena at the moment. We've been down for almost a decade. That's a lot of sh!tty management by the administration. I'm pretty sure they DON'T want another Bona in the league. If I had to guess I'd say Bona doesn't want us in either for obvious competitive reasons.
Regarding tix prices, I'm already paying > $1K for 4 seats. A move to the A10 and I'd be willing to pay 25% more. The Albany market is really price sensitive. I think demand would be fairly elastic. Additionally, we better win because, while A10 teams are notably better than MAAC teams, they aren't huge names that will draw on their own. Sure a good Siena/Dayton game would draw if Siena was good but if we're sub 10 wins I think turnout would be low (especially if tix prices are jacked up).
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Post by $cott on Jun 25, 2019 10:30:56 GMT -5
Pretty shocked they would do this with the move putting their football program in limbo. Going to be pretty hard to get recruits for football when you don't know what conference they will be in or even if they will still be an FBS program by the time you graduate. Would love if this somehow led to Siena getting that A10 invite.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Jun 28, 2019 16:32:59 GMT -5
Pretty shocked they would do this with the move putting their football program in limbo. Going to be pretty hard to get recruits for football when you don't know what conference they will be in or even if they will still be an FBS program by the time you graduate. Would love if this somehow led to Siena getting that A10 invite. $40 million deficit ... UConn may be considering in dropping football ... having a team really hasn’t moved athletic program forward
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Post by gorvy on Jun 28, 2019 17:35:00 GMT -5
Dayton or St. Louis would be obvious grabs for the Big East. I could see them going and opening an A10 slot. That said, I'm not sure they're all that interested in Siena at the moment. We've been down for almost a decade. That's a lot of sh!tty management by the administration. I'm pretty sure they DON'T want another Bona in the league. If I had to guess I'd say Bona doesn't want us in either for obvious competitive reasons. Regarding tix prices, I'm already paying > $1K for 4 seats. A move to the A10 and I'd be willing to pay 25% more. The Albany market is really price sensitive. I think demand would be fairly elastic. Additionally, we better win because, while A10 teams are notably better than MAAC teams, they aren't huge names that will draw on their own. Sure a good Siena/Dayton game would draw if Siena was good but if we're sub 10 wins I think turnout would be low (especially if tix prices are jacked up). I'm not sure if 25% would be enough, and that's the problem. I'd be interested in knowing what the other programs who don't have their own arena charge. Also they won't win as much as the maac... I'd be ok with that. I'm a proponent for the a10 despite this but I don't think I'm in the majority.
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Post by siena77 on Jun 28, 2019 20:34:42 GMT -5
I would think the analysis by the University figured they would make more money with the Big East affiliation, reduced travel expenses being a part of that. I also think they believe Hurley will lead them back to prominence. It makes sense economically, even with the drain the football program is at this point.
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Post by siena77 on Jun 28, 2019 20:36:56 GMT -5
Dayton or St. Louis would be obvious grabs for the Big East. I could see them going and opening an A10 slot. That said, I'm not sure they're all that interested in Siena at the moment. We've been down for almost a decade. That's a lot of sh!tty management by the administration. I'm pretty sure they DON'T want another Bona in the league. If I had to guess I'd say Bona doesn't want us in either for obvious competitive reasons. Regarding tix prices, I'm already paying > $1K for 4 seats. A move to the A10 and I'd be willing to pay 25% more. The Albany market is really price sensitive. I think demand would be fairly elastic. Additionally, we better win because, while A10 teams are notably better than MAAC teams, they aren't huge names that will draw on their own. Sure a good Siena/Dayton game would draw if Siena was good but if we're sub 10 wins I think turnout would be low (especially if tix prices are jacked up). I'm not sure if 25% would be enough, and that's the problem. I'd be interested in knowing what the other programs who don't have their own arena charge. Also they won't win as much as the maac... I'd be ok with that. I'm a proponent for the a10 despite this but I don't think I'm in the majority. I do think a 25% boost would be enough for Siena, but they would likely ask for more--because they can! Let's face it, we're paying a premium for MAAC-level basketball right now, but the loyalty of the fan base, even with the Mitch/Patsos fumbles, has mostly remained loyal.
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Post by gorvy on Jun 28, 2019 21:33:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure if 25% would be enough, and that's the problem. I'd be interested in knowing what the other programs who don't have their own arena charge. Also they won't win as much as the maac... I'd be ok with that. I'm a proponent for the a10 despite this but I don't think I'm in the majority. I do think a 25% boost would be enough for Siena, but they would likely ask for more--because they can! Let's face it, we're paying a premium for MAAC-level basketball right now, but the loyalty of the fan base, even with the Mitch/Patsos fumbles, has mostly remained loyal. I don't know I think it would be more than 25%: Davidson 425 Vcu 5,000 Rhode Island 500 Siena 300 Fordham 375 Saint bonoventure 425 Dayton 1,300 That's for the center lower level (but not premium) sections. There's a few crazy outliers in there but it looks like prices would need to be in the 425-500 range unless we want to be Fordham.
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Post by mike60 on Jun 29, 2019 6:12:44 GMT -5
Is that VCU number correct? That seems incredibly high.
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 29, 2019 9:35:33 GMT -5
This again? I think we first have to prove that we can consistently win the MAAC. Talk to me about moving up when that happens.
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Post by Tony on Jun 29, 2019 14:55:02 GMT -5
Siena is no position to even think about moving up. Our admin is inept – in last 10 years our AD has given a very questionable coach ( Mitch) a 4 year guarantee, ( could have easily given him a 4 year contract with 1 year guarantee and 100K buyout) after 3 straight losing seasons has to eat a year. Hires Jimmy – thought it was questionable- but I understood giving him a 5 year guarantee, foolishly extends him a year after first year and then after 3rd year gives him another extension, when by then we knew he was a lazy recruiter with a staff that would rather party than recruit. After 4 losing regular seasons in 5 years, we go thru messy divorce. Owes Jimmy money so they low ball Jamion and we lose him after 1 year. Pinning our hopes on an unproven asst coach. I like Carm and think he will be successful, but don’t kid yourself if he bombs, Siena hoops will be in a world of hurt. I wouldn’t even consider a jump up until Siena can once again dominate the MAAC and the current AD is retired
The one other thing I will say on attendance- Albany loves a winner, so being a losing team in the A10 wouldn’t help attendance at all. On plus side in the MAAC other than when Marist is good, or Manhattan ( who has strong local alumni association) Siena gets almost no attendance bump from other MAAC teams. Majority of A10 teams have fans that travel. I’ve been to most MAAC venues and never been at an away game where Siena didn’t have a ton of fans. 10/15 years ago I was in Buffalo on business and went to Canisius game and Siena had more fans in gym that Canisius did
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Post by IndianSaint on Jul 4, 2019 15:59:38 GMT -5
If I’m the BE, I’m not sure I’d want them back. But, I’m not so it doesn’t matter. I’ve never really been a big UConn fan. Not that I dislike them just never really like them. Sort of like Syracuse and plenty other big names schools. I like sticking with the underdog type schools for the most part.
Wonder how they feel about their two year suspension/sanctions?
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