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Post by goldsaint17 on May 15, 2019 20:09:42 GMT -5
What happen to ALL the 2019 players we offered on Verbal Commits? What chased them away?? Did Siena aim too high? I wonder if all of them were Jamion's recruits. Anyway we need another big or strong forward. Right now the 2019 slate looks barren. In most cases, an offer during the summer or early fall is no longer active after the early signing period in November. Those guys either signed elsewhere or we moved on. In terms of spring recruiting, we haven’t been very active offering guys after the transition. Hason Ward who just went to VCU was one, and then we have kicked the tires to varying interest levels on several transfers. Most of the names on verbal commits by now were not active offers.
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Post by hockeyguy on May 17, 2019 14:37:13 GMT -5
The Spring signing period has ended, no signings. Does anyone else have any concern about "class balance"? Sorry, but it is beginning to look like coach laid an egg this year. I know this won't sit well with some, maybe many, on here but Siena collectively needs to take a deep breath and come to reality with just who/what it is. They have a horrible record the past 9 years and are playing in a declining conference. If all the staff is going to do is chase "difference makers" who will likely sign with an upper Mid Major or High Major program, they are just wasting time and money. Sure sprinkle 2 or 3 that you have some chance of signing in the mix and hope you get lucky but if they are 8 or 9 out of 10 of your targets you basically are recruiting 1 or two guys and will be left scrambling for the scraps at the end of the recruiting season. JC got a pass last season because he came to the program from outside so late. Coach was on staff all last year, he knows who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to get them. Maybe it is just my eyebrows that are arched, but my observation and opinion is that having half your scholarships to give in a year is not a good thing.
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Post by rpize24 on May 17, 2019 14:53:08 GMT -5
The Spring signing period has ended, no signings. Does anyone else have any concern about "class balance"? Sorry, but it is beginning to look like coach laid an egg this year. I know this won't sit well with some, maybe many, on here but Siena collectively needs to take a deep breath and come to reality with just who/what it is. They have a horrible record the past 9 years and are playing in a declining conference. If all the staff is going to do is chase "difference makers" who will likely sign with an upper Mid Major or High Major program, they are just wasting time and money. Sure sprinkle 2 or 3 that you have some chance of signing in the mix and hope you get lucky but if they are 8 or 9 out of 10 of your targets you basically are recruiting 1 or two guys and will be left scrambling for the scraps at the end of the recruiting season. JC got a pass last season because he came to the program from outside so late. Coach was on staff all last year, he knows who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to get them. Maybe it is just my eyebrows that are arched, but my observation and opinion is that having half your scholarships to give in a year is not a good thing. Not the easiest to land great talent when you take over late. Obviously Jalen is a rarity and Sloan had a solid freshman season. At this point I would expect at least one more transfer and if the staff can land Harris that would be fantastic. One way or another those scholarships will be filled. Based on who's been offered in '20 I would say there's a good chance that will be a very good class
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 15:01:32 GMT -5
The Spring signing period has ended, no signings. Does anyone else have any concern about "class balance"? Sorry, but it is beginning to look like coach laid an egg this year. I know this won't sit well with some, maybe many, on here but Siena collectively needs to take a deep breath and come to reality with just who/what it is. They have a horrible record the past 9 years and are playing in a declining conference. If all the staff is going to do is chase "difference makers" who will likely sign with an upper Mid Major or High Major program, they are just wasting time and money. Sure sprinkle 2 or 3 that you have some chance of signing in the mix and hope you get lucky but if they are 8 or 9 out of 10 of your targets you basically are recruiting 1 or two guys and will be left scrambling for the scraps at the end of the recruiting season. JC got a pass last season because he came to the program from outside so late. Coach was on staff all last year, he knows who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to get them. Maybe it is just my eyebrows that are arched, but my observation and opinion is that having half your scholarships to give in a year is not a good thing. Not the easiest to land great talent when you take over late. Obviously Jalen is a rarity and Sloan had a solid freshman season. At this point I would expect at least one more transfer and if the staff can land Harris that would be fantastic. One way or another those scholarships will be filled. Based on who's been offered in '20 I would say there's a good chance that will be a very good class We go through this every year. The guys who get offered in May are often not the same guys we're still involved with by Sept. Higher level schools usually rip that list apart. It's still way too soon to tell what will happen. Even if they fill the last 2 schollies, they'd still have 2+ to work with with in the early period for 2020...so at least they'll be active. They can't afford to take any more non-athletes or guys who may not be all-around players. They need to do work. But, I'd agree, it feels a bit like they're kind of mortgaging this year some for the future.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 15:13:07 GMT -5
Not the easiest to land great talent when you take over late. Obviously Jalen is a rarity and Sloan had a solid freshman season. At this point I would expect at least one more transfer and if the staff can land Harris that would be fantastic. One way or another those scholarships will be filled. Based on who's been offered in '20 I would say there's a good chance that will be a very good class We go through this every year. The guys who get offered in May are often not the same guys we're still involved with by Sept. Higher level schools usually rip that list apart. It's still way too soon to tell what will happen. Even if they fill the last 2 schollies, they'd still have 2+ to work with with in the early period for 2020...so at least they'll be active. They can't afford to take any more non-athletes or guys who may not be all-around players. They need to do work. But, I'd agree, it feels a bit like they're kind of mortgaging this year some for the future. Cue MTS...
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Post by $cott on May 17, 2019 15:25:16 GMT -5
The Spring signing period has ended, no signings. Does anyone else have any concern about "class balance"? Sorry, but it is beginning to look like coach laid an egg this year. I know this won't sit well with some, maybe many, on here but Siena collectively needs to take a deep breath and come to reality with just who/what it is. They have a horrible record the past 9 years and are playing in a declining conference. If all the staff is going to do is chase "difference makers" who will likely sign with an upper Mid Major or High Major program, they are just wasting time and money. Sure sprinkle 2 or 3 that you have some chance of signing in the mix and hope you get lucky but if they are 8 or 9 out of 10 of your targets you basically are recruiting 1 or two guys and will be left scrambling for the scraps at the end of the recruiting season. JC got a pass last season because he came to the program from outside so late. Coach was on staff all last year, he knows who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to get them. Maybe it is just my eyebrows that are arched, but my observation and opinion is that having half your scholarships to give in a year is not a good thing. You do realize we still have Luke Sutherland and Kyle Young coming in, right?
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Post by hockeyguy on May 17, 2019 15:26:25 GMT -5
KK, by my reckoning here is the present scholarship situation. 5 guys have already gone (Smithen, Huerter, Baier, Degnan, Fisher) That's 5. two "one and dones" (Hein and Burns) we are up to 7. Sammy may get a red shirt (if he is even able to come back and play) or may not, could make 8, if Jalen leaves, could make 9. Minus 2 signed so far (Young and Sutherland) could be, could be as many as 7 out of 13 spots to fill in one year. Who are you going to find in Mid-May or June that would add something to the program??? As I said, Carm was on staff all last year, he did not "come late" he knew who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to sign a couple of them. Sure, most every guy on here gets "aroused" when a pretty girl smiles at them as a possibility, only to have their heart broken as they see her leave with the big name quarterback from the bigger name school. Siena needs to take a deep breath, take an honest look at who they are and figure out how they get back to the days of dreaming of being the "Gonzaga of the East". The program needs to be built, brick by brick. A Jalen will come along once in a blue moon (much like Kenny) but don't bet the program on recruiting and signing one.
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Post by Quackman on May 17, 2019 15:35:28 GMT -5
The Spring signing period has ended, no signings. Does anyone else have any concern about "class balance"? Sorry, but it is beginning to look like coach laid an egg this year. I know this won't sit well with some, maybe many, on here but Siena collectively needs to take a deep breath and come to reality with just who/what it is. They have a horrible record the past 9 years and are playing in a declining conference. If all the staff is going to do is chase "difference makers" who will likely sign with an upper Mid Major or High Major program, they are just wasting time and money. Sure sprinkle 2 or 3 that you have some chance of signing in the mix and hope you get lucky but if they are 8 or 9 out of 10 of your targets you basically are recruiting 1 or two guys and will be left scrambling for the scraps at the end of the recruiting season. JC got a pass last season because he came to the program from outside so late. Coach was on staff all last year, he knows who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to get them. Maybe it is just my eyebrows that are arched, but my observation and opinion is that having half your scholarships to give in a year is not a good thing. Actually, the fact that the spring signing period is over is kind of moot. As I understand it, it just means that a kid can't sign a Letter of Intent but can still agree to a scholarship, but it is not contractually finalized until they enter school. As a high school senior, I don't believe the signing period has anything to do with the coaches ability to contact them ... there is no dead period for high school graduates. That said, it's worth being concerned that there hasn't been more activity/signings. I do think that having 5 returning "starters" in Pickett, Camper, Seymour, Burns and Carey makes the sell a little bit harder, especially at the guard position. Carm had to re-recruit all of them ... kind of hard to promise them whatever he had to promise them to get them to stay and then go ahead and offer their role to a prospective recruit. Personally, I really like the top 5 listed above ... I think it is a group that can win a lot of MAAC games. Key is going to be Burns and his ability to score in the post. Pickett's strength is passing on the pick/roll. Fisher showed that he was adept at finishing. Can Burns? I'm sure we'll see a whole lot of dunks off it, but can he finish regularly in traffic??? Interested to see what the two freshman recruits already signed bring to the table. A lot of you are high on Friday, we'll see if he can provide consistent productive minutes. Ratliff is an interesting piece ... hustle guy who showed he could shoot a bit before he got hurt. I've love to see another guard and an athletic wing signed but I'm also okay with entering the season with the current roster especially if the Illinois St kid can provide depth at the 1 or 2.
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Post by Quackman on May 17, 2019 15:38:18 GMT -5
KK, by my reckoning here is the present scholarship situation. 5 guys have already gone (Smithen, Huerter, Baier, Degnan, Fisher) That's 5. two "one and dones" (Hein and Burns) we are up to 7. Sammy may get a red shirt (if he is even able to come back and play) or may not, could make 8, if Jalen leaves, could make 9. Minus 2 signed so far (Young and Sutherland) could be, could be as many as 7 out of 13 spots to fill in one year. Who are you going to find in Mid-May or June that would add something to the program??? As I said, Carm was on staff all last year, he did not "come late" he knew who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to sign a couple of them. Sure, most every guy on here gets "aroused" when a pretty girl smiles at them as a possibility, only to have their heart broken as they see her leave with the big name quarterback from the bigger name school. Siena needs to take a deep breath, take an honest look at who they are and figure out how they get back to the days of dreaming of being the "Gonzaga of the East". The program needs to be built, brick by brick. A Jalen will come along once in a blue moon (much like Kenny) but don't bet the program on recruiting and signing one. Pretty sure Friday's "Red shirt" would be for 2018/2019. Did I miss something? They currently have 11 (Pickett, Carey, Seymour, Camper, Burns, Friday, Ratliff, Darwiche, Hein, Sutherland and Young) on scholarship for next year)
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Post by $cott on May 17, 2019 15:40:41 GMT -5
KK, by my reckoning here is the present scholarship situation. 5 guys have already gone (Smithen, Huerter, Baier, Degnan, Fisher) That's 5. two "one and dones" (Hein and Burns) we are up to 7. Sammy may get a red shirt (if he is even able to come back and play) or may not, could make 8, if Jalen leaves, could make 9. Minus 2 signed so far (Young and Sutherland) could be, could be as many as 7 out of 13 spots to fill in one year. Who are you going to find in Mid-May or June that would add something to the program??? As I said, Carm was on staff all last year, he did not "come late" he knew who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to sign a couple of them. Sure, most every guy on here gets "aroused" when a pretty girl smiles at them as a possibility, only to have their heart broken as they see her leave with the big name quarterback from the bigger name school. Siena needs to take a deep breath, take an honest look at who they are and figure out how they get back to the days of dreaming of being the "Gonzaga of the East". The program needs to be built, brick by brick. A Jalen will come along once in a blue moon (much like Kenny) but don't bet the program on recruiting and signing one. You can't subtract Hein without adding him first, there are 8 guys scheduled to return in 2020-2021 and 9 if Sammy is still around: Pickett Carey Camper Ratliff Darwiche Seymour Young Sutherland Friday That leaves 4 open scholarships and 2 of them could be filled soon with players who would return in 2020-2021. By next year we could be lamenting the fact that we only have two scholarships to give. There is every reason to be picky with these last two scholarships.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 15:40:59 GMT -5
KK, by my reckoning here is the present scholarship situation. 5 guys have already gone (Smithen, Huerter, Baier, Degnan, Fisher) That's 5. two "one and dones" (Hein and Burns) we are up to 7. Sammy may get a red shirt (if he is even able to come back and play) or may not, could make 8, if Jalen leaves, could make 9. Minus 2 signed so far (Young and Sutherland) could be, could be as many as 7 out of 13 spots to fill in one year. Who are you going to find in Mid-May or June that would add something to the program??? As I said, Carm was on staff all last year, he did not "come late" he knew who the targets were and had a whole recruiting period to sign a couple of them. Sure, most every guy on here gets "aroused" when a pretty girl smiles at them as a possibility, only to have their heart broken as they see her leave with the big name quarterback from the bigger name school. Siena needs to take a deep breath, take an honest look at who they are and figure out how they get back to the days of dreaming of being the "Gonzaga of the East". The program needs to be built, brick by brick. A Jalen will come along once in a blue moon (much like Kenny) but don't bet the program on recruiting and signing one. I have no idea what your point is and I'm not sure what kind of math you're attempting. That was tough to follow. There are 2 available now with 2 or 3 more come available next year. That's 4 or 5 depending on Friday over these 2 years. More only if people leave. Yes, the recruiting needs to improve and they need to land some guys.
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Post by rpize24 on May 17, 2019 15:43:30 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see one of the last two scholarships go to a sit out transfer point guard. Not saying it has to be Makai Ashton-Langford which would be awesome but somebody who is more than capable of taking control of the reigns should next season be Jalen's last as a saint
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 15:51:20 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see one of the last two scholarships go to a sit out transfer point guard. Not saying it has to be Makai Ashton-Langford which would be awesome but somebody who is more than capable of taking control of the reigns should next season be Jalen's last as a saint Yuck to sit out transfer. And yuck to MAL.
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Post by brian on May 17, 2019 16:05:18 GMT -5
Some names i'd be curious about.
Dwight Davis Jr. - Just had a nice showing with the Riverside Hawks on the Adidas Gauntlet. Steven Cruz had been doing some coaching with the Hawks in addition to his college stuff, not sure if he is still involved with that program but could be a nice in.
Davis has a high school teammate Femi Odukale Jr. who may or not be re-classing to 2020. Saw reports of a Bonaventure offer about a month ago but not sure he ever visited or not.
Another name that has been tied to Bonaventure i'd be interested in is Kevin Osawe. He's a JUCO kid who has 3 years to play. His team won the JUCO national championship and he played really well. Canadian kid.
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Post by Tony on May 17, 2019 16:16:51 GMT -5
Personally I would like to see one of the last two scholarships go to a sit out transfer point guard. Not saying it has to be Makai Ashton-Langford which would be awesome but somebody who is more than capable of taking control of the reigns should next season be Jalen's last as a saint While I like to see that also, the odds of it happening are not good. What decent PG will come to Siena knowing Jalen is only a sophomore next year ?No decent PG will want to play behind Jalen for two years Perhaps we can land a decent combo guard – or better yet a good 2/3
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