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Post by OneIndian on Apr 19, 2019 13:40:21 GMT -5
You respect Rider way too much. I'm sorry they haven't earned it. 4 PGs who can probably defend....plus Vaughn, Randall, and Turner....plus better rebounding and a high PPS. More ways for them to beat us then for us to beat them. And not well coached.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:46:18 GMT -5
4 PGs who can probably defend....plus Vaughn, Randall, and Turner....plus better rebounding and a high PPS. More ways for them to beat us then for us to beat them. And not well coached. Yeah, perhaps. But they also lost their most inefficient player on both sides of the ball. Imagine if Seymour went into a shooting slump and just kept playing and shot the most shots on the team. That's what Allen was to Rider last year. No D and practically shot them death. It's the coach's fault for playing him so much but also, in taking him out of the equation, it eliminates the chances the same player will kill them again.
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Post by rpize24 on Apr 19, 2019 14:56:39 GMT -5
Yeah, perhaps. But they also lost their most inefficient player on both sides of the ball. Imagine if Seymour went into a shooting slump and just kept playing and shot the most shots on the team. That's what Allen was to Rider last year. No D and practically shot them death. It's the coach's fault for playing him so much but also, in taking him out of the equation, it eliminates the chances the same player will kill them again. Not perhaps, it is a fact. Baggett has NEVER gotten past the quarterfinals regardless of how talented/good his teams may have been
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:11:54 GMT -5
Yeah, perhaps. But they also lost their most inefficient player on both sides of the ball. Imagine if Seymour went into a shooting slump and just kept playing and shot the most shots on the team. That's what Allen was to Rider last year. No D and practically shot them death. It's the coach's fault for playing him so much but also, in taking him out of the equation, it eliminates the chances the same player will kill them again. Not perhaps, it is a fact. Baggett has NEVER gotten past the quarterfinals regardless of how talented/good his teams may have been Baggett has only had 2 losing seasons in 7 years...and both had 13+ wins. Say what you want about his tourney choking, he's a factor in the MAAC. In my opinion, this coming year might be one of the best, most well-rounded teams he's had, on paper. I expect them to win 20+ just like they did 2 years ago with this bunch. Dimencio Vaughn was a top 5 MAAC player 2 years ago...and Stevie Jordan is an all-around good PG. I see them as having too much talent to be kept down. Siena was the 267th best team in the nation last year. 2 years ago this same Rider team was 145th. To take for granted that Siena will just jump all the way up past that mark AND that Rider can't repeat or improve on something they've already accomplished is just homerism, plain and simple.
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Post by rpize24 on Apr 19, 2019 15:24:36 GMT -5
Not perhaps, it is a fact. Baggett has NEVER gotten past the quarterfinals regardless of how talented/good his teams may have been Baggett has only had 2 losing seasons in 7 years...and both had 13+ wins. Say what you want about his tourney choking, he's a factor in the MAAC. In my opinion, this coming year might be one of the best, most well-rounded teams he's had, on paper. I expect them to win 20+ just like they did 2 years ago with this bunch. Dimencio Vaughn was a top 5 MAAC player 2 years ago...and Stevie Jordan is an all-around good PG. I see them as having too much talent to be kept down. Siena was the 267th best team in the nation last year. 2 years ago this same Rider team was 145th. To take for granted that Siena will just jump all the way up past that mark AND that Rider can't repeat or improve on something they've already accomplished is just homerism, plain and simple. I never said Siena would take a massive jump or rider will suck. I expect both teams to be good but my point was it’s hard to be a very good to excellent team when you don’t have a great coach regardless of the talent. Simply put until Baggett gets over the hump and can prove postseason success I wouldn’t trust him. He’s the MAAC’s version of Tony Romo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:34:47 GMT -5
Baggett has only had 2 losing seasons in 7 years...and both had 13+ wins. Say what you want about his tourney choking, he's a factor in the MAAC. In my opinion, this coming year might be one of the best, most well-rounded teams he's had, on paper. I expect them to win 20+ just like they did 2 years ago with this bunch. Dimencio Vaughn was a top 5 MAAC player 2 years ago...and Stevie Jordan is an all-around good PG. I see them as having too much talent to be kept down. Siena was the 267th best team in the nation last year. 2 years ago this same Rider team was 145th. To take for granted that Siena will just jump all the way up past that mark AND that Rider can't repeat or improve on something they've already accomplished is just homerism, plain and simple. I never said Siena would take a massive jump or rider will suck. I expect both teams to be good but my point was it’s hard to be a very good to excellent team when you don’t have a great coach regardless of the talent. Simply put until Baggett gets over the hump and can prove postseason success I wouldn’t trust him. He’s the MAAC’s version of Tony Romo Look, any MAAC team can beat any MAAC team on a given night, especially in the Tournament setting. That's not a debate. I'm just saying that people who think Siena has all this talent that will automatically win with a first time, first year coach....are probably being a little too optimistic at this point....at least without 1 or 2 more impact guards. You can't sell Baggett down the river over a 1st year coach who has never even been in that situation before, much less won. You just can't claim superiority over Baggett without even knowing how well Carm will handle the reigns. Rider will have talent...even more ballhawks than they had as the leading ballhawking team last year. And they will outrebound us...and they have enough ballhandlers to take care of the ball....and they have a high PPS offense that was held back primarily by Jordan Allen who is now gone and replaced by PGs and better defenders. I don't think they will be an easy out for us as Siena's roster is currently constructed. Pickett is awesome and covers up a lot of other weaknesses but this roster still really puts a lot of pressure on his shoulders.
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Post by rpize24 on Apr 19, 2019 15:43:36 GMT -5
I never said Siena would take a massive jump or rider will suck. I expect both teams to be good but my point was it’s hard to be a very good to excellent team when you don’t have a great coach regardless of the talent. Simply put until Baggett gets over the hump and can prove postseason success I wouldn’t trust him. He’s the MAAC’s version of Tony Romo Look, any MAAC team can beat any MAAC team on a given night, especially in the Tournament setting. That's not a debate. I'm just saying that people who think Siena has all this talent that will automatically win with a first time, first year coach....are probably being a little too optimistic at this point....at least without 1 or 2 more impact guards. You can't sell Baggett down the river over a 1st year coach who has never even been in that situation before, much less won. You just can't claim superiority over Baggett without even knowing how well Carm will handle the reigns. Rider will have talent...even more ballhawks than they had as the leading ballhawking team last year. And they will outrebound us...and they have enough ballhandlers to take care of the ball....and they have a high PPS offense that was held back primarily by Jordan Allen who is now gone and replaced by PGs and better defenders. I don't think they will be an easy out for us as Siena's roster is currently constructed. Pickett is awesome and covers up a lot of other weaknesses but this roster still really puts a lot of pressure on his shoulders. I don’t disagree that an addition of another guard or two would be huge as well as the fact that it’s hard to judge Carm considering he’s never been a HC but I never claimed superiority over Baggett. I’m telling it like it is: he’s a capable coach but for whatever reason folds in the postseason every year. As far as expectations go I think it’s fair to say at worst we should be getting a bye. There’ll be a much better feel for expectations once the roster is filled out
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 19, 2019 16:07:36 GMT -5
For once I’d just like to see more athleticism and a player or two that consistently create for themselves or get to the rim. We’ve lacked that for so long. We’ve been one of the least athletic programs in the MAAC for quite some time.
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Post by orange77 on Apr 19, 2019 16:49:29 GMT -5
Change of subject - are there no recruits visiting this weekend due to the Easter observance?
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 19, 2019 16:51:34 GMT -5
Change of subject - are there no recruits visiting this weekend due to the Easter observance? My understanding is yes. Staff is busy but will have the weekend off from a visits perspective.
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Post by orange77 on Apr 19, 2019 17:38:27 GMT -5
Change of subject - are there no recruits visiting this weekend due to the Easter observance? My understanding is yes. Staff is busy but will have the weekend off from a visits perspective. Thanks
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Post by Tony on Apr 20, 2019 4:01:16 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Rider and Quinny at this point don’t much care about them. More concerned about Siena. To me loss ( if you want to call it that ) of MAW was no big deal, I was torn on him, yes he is potentially a very good player, but he is a PG, never a good idea to take ball out of hands of your best player. Carm did a great job of retaining the players after Jamion left, time to start signing some players and shore up our depth issues ( with loss of Walker and Richard) Don’t agree we need to sign some sort of stud guard, or even multiple guards. we need a solid kid that can give us minutes. ( Drew Edwards fits the bill nicely) Like to get Falzon done – I think he would be a good to very good MAAC player, but I have to admit the longer it goes with no commitment, I’m starting to get a tad concerned. I’m still very bully on where we stand right now- but we most definitely need to bring in some players. Hoping to see some action in next week or so. We know Carm can get involved with players - can he "close" the deal, need to see that soon
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 20, 2019 10:02:07 GMT -5
A lot of talk about Rider and Quinny at this point don’t much care about them. More concerned about Siena. To me loss ( if you want to call it that ) of MAW was no big deal, I was torn on him, yes he is potentially a very good player, but he is a PG, never a good idea to take ball out of hands of your best player. Carm did a great job of retaining the players after Jamion left, time to start signing some players and shore up our depth issues ( with loss of Walker and Richard) Don’t agree we need to sign some sort of stud guard, or even multiple guards. we need a solid kid that can give us minutes. ( Drew Edwards fits the bill nicely) Like to get Falzon done – I think he would be a good to very good MAAC player, but I have to admit the longer it goes with no commitment, I’m starting to get a tad concerned. I’m still very bully on where we stand right now- but we most definitely need to bring in some players. Hoping to see some action in next week or so. We know Carm can get involved with players - can he "close" the deal, need to see that soon I’m more in agreement with Tony. I too wouldn’t have minded getting MAW just because of how good he appeared to be and where he could have chosen to play (higher level). I don’t believe we’re as bad off (currently as is for this roster w/o knowing who else will sign/play next year) as others think. With a backcourt of Pickett & Carey we should have the best backcourt in the MAAC. Other teams won’t be able to double both w/o leaving one or two of the other three open. Can you imagine how positively this will impact Sloan’s ability to hit wide open 3’s; or how many dunks Burns will benefit from when his man leaves him to double a driving Carey? Speaking of Carey, from what I’ve heard Carey can basically drive to the hoop anytime he wants. Not too shabby, if true. Others stated how thin we are in guard depth if were so unlucky to have a injury (or injuries). We had injuries last year and even Pickett played hurt/injured and we survived (actually played surprisingly spectacular considering). Look, I know people haven’t had much good thinks to say about Darwiche but I don’t think he’s as bad as others think. We’ll see more this year how good/bad he is (can be). He didn’t practice w/team early on; then got hurt (which I don’t believe he ever recovered from even when he can back in before he reinsured himself and was out the rest of the year). I don’t hear anyone talking about our other guard, Ratliff. I’m expecting big things from him this year. He could be a player who’s in the running for most improved at next years EOY banquet. Does everyone forget WHO recruited Jimmy? Carm was recruiting him while at GW. If Carm believed he was good enough to play at GW then who am I to think he’s not good enough to play for Siena? We have this whole offseason for returning players to work on their deficiencies. Can you imagine how much this’ll help Manny, Sammy, Jimmy & Sloan for this upcoming year, not to mention Pickett, Carey & Burns? I know I’m more optimistic than most but I see how much better we can/should be this upcoming season and we finished last season pretty good. Yes, Carm is a first year HC; but he also surrounded himself with not one but two Assistants who were both the #1 assistants on their respective teams. This should hopefully help with taking some of the pressure off him , IMO. Anyway, that’s just what I think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 11:02:16 GMT -5
You could certainly win it all with this Siena crew.
However, it's just not really an uptempo team...nor a team capable of forcing a high amount of TOs nor racking up large rebound totals nor blocking a ton of shots..at least on paper. They're going to have to be deliberate and disciplined. And certain teams will kill them on the boards or hurt them in TO margin or efficiency...because well, Siena may not be elite in any category besides taking care of the ball. They may be serviceable in many, but not elite. And Pickett is the primary reason for them even being serviceable in those categories and great at taking care of the ball.
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Post by mike60 on Apr 20, 2019 15:29:55 GMT -5
If we won't improve our rebounding over last year, why were we so hot on Burns. Some of you who express rebounding woes were depressed that he couldn't play immediately. Some went so far as to say he was the difference whether we won or not.
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