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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 12:22:05 GMT -5
Not a bad take—a few comments. I think MPG will depend on how fast Carm plays. The faster we play, the less Jalen will play, and when I say less I mean 30/32 min a game. Ronald Moore played 31-32 mpg for 3 years but then played 36 mpg as a senior when the PG depth was at its worst. Ricky McGill and Pickett both played 37 mpg and change last year. Pickett is the face of the program at this point. He's the main attraction. I'm having a hard time seeing him play less than 35 mpg. There's no bigger drop off in production than the one when Pickett leaves the floor. And that includes frankly anyone who would replace him...even Carey...because Pickett just does so much more. When he leaves the court, it's like taking a big bite out of a cookie and replacing it with a sprinkle.
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Post by Tony on Jul 8, 2019 13:16:02 GMT -5
There's no bigger drop off in production than the one when Pickett leaves the floor. And that includes frankly anyone who would replace him...even Carey...because Pickett just does so much more. . And you know this how? I wasn't aware you have seen Don Carey play? The point is a fresh Don Carey better than a tired Jalen Pickett? I cant answer that for sure and either can you. I can say Don Carey is pretty good Besides getting easier shots, one of the main goals of being a uptempo running team is to wear the other team down, Carm thinks he has a lot of depth , so at least to start the year I expect him to use it. I hope Jalen isnt playing 35 min plus, because that would mean our depth guys are not getting it done. I hoping Carm goes 8 or 9 deep maybe even 10, I do know this for sure, Carm feels he has a lot more talent at the guard spot that you do - hopefully he is still feeling that way next November /December. So you might be right-- but I hope not - would not be good for us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 13:36:06 GMT -5
There's no bigger drop off in production than the one when Pickett leaves the floor. And that includes frankly anyone who would replace him...even Carey...because Pickett just does so much more. . And you know this how? I wasn't aware you have seen Don Carey play? The point is a fresh Don Carey better than a tired Jalen Pickett? I cant answer that for sure and either can you. I can say Don Carey is pretty good Besides getting easier shots, one of the main goals of being a uptempo running team is to wear the other team down, Carm thinks he has a lot of depth , so at least to start the year I expect him to use it. I hope Jalen isnt playing 35 min plus, because that would mean our depth guys are not getting it done. I hoping Carm goes 8 or 9 deep maybe even 10, I do know this for sure, Carm feels he has a lot more talent at the guard spot that you do - hopefully he is still feeling that way next November /December. So you might be right-- but I hope not - would not be good for us I think Carey is gonna be quite good. It's not a negative reflection on Carey at all. It's more of what Pickett does for this team. You think Carey will have an over 2 to 1 assist ratio and have close to a block a game or average as many stls or rebounds? If you're expecting Carey to be as good as Pickett overall, you're probably gonna be disappointed. Pickett is one of the best freshmen in MAAC play ever. I'm sorry but Pickett>Carey and there will be a big drop off to the next guy, no matter who it is. If games are in doubt, Jalen Pickett will be on the court. That's just how it will be. And I think Carey will be on the court with him. Also by now, you have know that when you say things like 'pretty good' or 'great' or whatever....it means absolutely nothing to me. They are vague adjectives. Have to be more specific than that. It is unrealistic to expect anybody on this team to be able to fill Pickett's shoes when he leaves the floor. And, when that's the case for anyone, they're gonna play...A LOT.
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Post by Tony on Jul 8, 2019 14:26:52 GMT -5
And you know this how? I wasn't aware you have seen Don Carey play? The point is a fresh Don Carey better than a tired Jalen Pickett? I cant answer that for sure and either can you. I can say Don Carey is pretty good Besides getting easier shots, one of the main goals of being a uptempo running team is to wear the other team down, Carm thinks he has a lot of depth , so at least to start the year I expect him to use it. I hope Jalen isnt playing 35 min plus, because that would mean our depth guys are not getting it done. I hoping Carm goes 8 or 9 deep maybe even 10, I do know this for sure, Carm feels he has a lot more talent at the guard spot that you do - hopefully he is still feeling that way next November /December. So you might be right-- but I hope not - would not be good for us I think Carey is gonna be quite good. It's not a negative reflection on Carey at all. It's more of what Pickett does for this team. You think Carey will have an over 2 to 1 assist ratio and have close to a block a game or average as many stls or rebounds? If you're expecting Carey to be as good as Pickett overall, you're probably gonna be disappointed. Pickett is one of the best freshmen in MAAC play ever. I'm sorry but Pickett>Carey and there will be a big drop off to the next guy, no matter who it is. If games are in doubt, Jalen Pickett will be on the court. That's just how it will be. And I think Carey will be on the court with him. Also by now, you have know that when you say things like 'pretty good' or 'great' or whatever....it means absolutely nothing to me. They are vague adjectives. Have to be more specific than that. It is unrealistic to expect anybody on this team to be able to fill Pickett's shoes when he leaves the floor. And, when that's the case for anyone, they're gonna play...A LOT. Newsflash-- a fresh Don Carey is probably better than a tired Jalen Pickett. I have no doubt when game is on the line Jalen will be on court- I'll continue to hope that Jalen is playing less than 34 min, if he plays more that, its not a good sign for us
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Jul 8, 2019 14:52:11 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 14:52:11 GMT -5
I think Carey is gonna be quite good. It's not a negative reflection on Carey at all. It's more of what Pickett does for this team. You think Carey will have an over 2 to 1 assist ratio and have close to a block a game or average as many stls or rebounds? If you're expecting Carey to be as good as Pickett overall, you're probably gonna be disappointed. Pickett is one of the best freshmen in MAAC play ever. I'm sorry but Pickett>Carey and there will be a big drop off to the next guy, no matter who it is. If games are in doubt, Jalen Pickett will be on the court. That's just how it will be. And I think Carey will be on the court with him. Also by now, you have know that when you say things like 'pretty good' or 'great' or whatever....it means absolutely nothing to me. They are vague adjectives. Have to be more specific than that. It is unrealistic to expect anybody on this team to be able to fill Pickett's shoes when he leaves the floor. And, when that's the case for anyone, they're gonna play...A LOT. Newsflash-- a fresh Don Carey is probably better than a tired Jalen Pickett. I have no doubt when game is on the line Jalen will be on court- I'll continue to hope that Jalen is playing less than 34 min, if he plays more that, its not a good sign for us Sure, I guess a fresh Carey is probably better than a tired Pickett...but that only happens in my scenario where Carey has to back up Pickett and they play more wings anyway. Otherwise, they're supposed to leave the court together remember. Then all this great guard depth we have is supposed to take over for them. Those 4 or 5 mins a half will be the longest of our lives.
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Post by MTS on Jul 8, 2019 15:09:24 GMT -5
Newsflash-- a fresh Don Carey is probably better than a tired Jalen Pickett. I have no doubt when game is on the line Jalen will be on court- I'll continue to hope that Jalen is playing less than 34 min, if he plays more that, its not a good sign for us Sure, I guess a fresh Carey is probably better than a tired Pickett...but that only happens in my scenario where Carey has to back up Pickett and they play more wings anyway. Otherwise, they're supposed to leave the court together remember. Then all this great guard depth we have is supposed to take over for them. Who was the great guard depth on Fran's teams? Nobody but Moore played over 32 minutes (Ubiles did play 33 minutes twice So/Jr year, edit) and only his senior year did he play 36 MPG at 5'11, 160 lbs...Jalen and Don are big guards. Can Matt Hein give us what Kyle Downey gave Fran's teams (note I said Fran's teams when he was a Fr/So). Can Gary Harris give us what a young Clarence Jackson did (again as Fr/So). Can Darwiche give us a couple of quick solid minutes especially early in games? These are the questions to watch. No way Jalen/Don play more than 33 or 34 minutes at the most if we're playing uptempo at any kind of faster pace.
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Post by $cott on Jul 8, 2019 15:20:18 GMT -5
Sure, I guess a fresh Carey is probably better than a tired Pickett...but that only happens in my scenario where Carey has to back up Pickett and they play more wings anyway. Otherwise, they're supposed to leave the court together remember. Then all this great guard depth we have is supposed to take over for them. Who was the great guard depth on Fran's teams? Nobody but Moore played over 32 minutes (Ubiles did play 33 minutes twice So/Jr year, edit) and only his senior year did he play 36 MPG at 5'11, 160 lbs...Jalen and Don are big guards. Can Matt Hein give us what Kyle Downey gave Fran's teams (note I said Fran's teams when he was a Fr/So). Can Gary Harris give us what a young Clarence Jackson did (again as Fr/So). Can Darwiche give us a couple of quick solid minutes especially early in games? These are the questions to watch. No way Jalen/Don play more than 33 or 34 minutes at the most if we're playing uptempo at any kind of faster pace. I have a feeling Carm is going to be smart with his substitutions and plan them around the TV timeouts. You can potentially sub for Pickett and Carey 4 times a game before TV timeouts, keep them well rested, and still get 36-38 minutes out of them. If Pickett and Carey are only playing 32 minutes per game it is because we are blowing so many teams out that they can sit down the stretch. With TV timeouts and proper game management fatigue is no longer a big factor except for with big men. When in the midst of a slump last year Pickett poured on 46 and 13 while playing 53 minutes and then came back two days later to put up 18 and 9 in 39 minutes. I don't care how much we up the tempo this year, the one thing I'm not worried about is Jalen being fatigued.
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Jul 8, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
Sure, I guess a fresh Carey is probably better than a tired Pickett...but that only happens in my scenario where Carey has to back up Pickett and they play more wings anyway. Otherwise, they're supposed to leave the court together remember. Then all this great guard depth we have is supposed to take over for them. Who was the great guard depth on Fran's teams? Nobody but Moore played over 32 minutes (Ubiles did play 33 minutes twice So/Jr year, edit) and only his senior year did he play 36 MPG at 5'11, 160 lbs...Jalen and Don are big guards. Can Matt Hein give us what Kyle Downey gave Fran's teams (note I said Fran's teams when he was a Fr/So). Can Gary Harris give us what a young Clarence Jackson did (again as Fr/So). Can Darwiche give us a couple of quick solid minutes especially early in games? These are the questions to watch. No way Jalen/Don play more than 33 or 34 minutes at the most if we're playing uptempo at any kind of faster pace. I'm not overly attached to tempo in any way, shape, or form. Just suggesting that all it will take is a bad turnover or a couple of missed shots in a row, and like magic, Pickett will be back in...just like all of last year. All Jalen has to say is 'I'm fine coach' and he's back in and everyone else goes to the bench. He is the King of Albany after all. What he says is what shall be done. Again, my feeling is the team's wings will reap this benefit. MVP type players often play over 35 mpg. McGill, Nelson, Young... I think the lad will still play a lot. Had a guy like Webster committed...ok maybe he rests more..but now? I think he just stays out there. And if Carey is to go there with him, I think they just go to the bench for a couple mins and play stall ball with some combo that includes Camper.
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Jul 8, 2019 15:41:46 GMT -5
Post by MTS on Jul 8, 2019 15:41:46 GMT -5
Who was the great guard depth on Fran's teams? Nobody but Moore played over 32 minutes (Ubiles did play 33 minutes twice So/Jr year, edit) and only his senior year did he play 36 MPG at 5'11, 160 lbs...Jalen and Don are big guards. Can Matt Hein give us what Kyle Downey gave Fran's teams (note I said Fran's teams when he was a Fr/So). Can Gary Harris give us what a young Clarence Jackson did (again as Fr/So). Can Darwiche give us a couple of quick solid minutes especially early in games? These are the questions to watch. No way Jalen/Don play more than 33 or 34 minutes at the most if we're playing uptempo at any kind of faster pace. I have a feeling Carm is going to be smart with his substitutions and plan them around the TV timeouts. You can potentially sub for Pickett and Carey 4 times a game before TV timeouts, keep them well rested, and still get 36-38 minutes out of them. If Pickett and Carey are only playing 32 minutes per game it is because we are blowing so many teams out that they can sit down the stretch. With TV timeouts and proper game management fatigue is no longer a big factor except for with big men. When in the midst of a slump last year Pickett poured on 46 and 13 while playing 53 minutes and then came back two days later to put up 18 and 9 in 39 minutes. I don't care how much we up the tempo this year, the one thing I'm not worried about is Jalen being fatigued. You might be right. Hopefully we do have some big blowout wins and they don't have to play heavy minutes. It's a long season. Of course in a big game no question Jalen could go 37 or 38 minutes but him averaging that many minutes every game I don't see it. That's why it's an "average" he'll have some at 35/36/37 and some at 25/26/27. I guess it depends how much we up the tempo. Carm has said it doesn't make sense to play too fast if it's not effective. We'll be faster the question is how fast? If it's in the top 150 you aren't going to see anyone averaging over 33 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 15:49:50 GMT -5
I have a feeling Carm is going to be smart with his substitutions and plan them around the TV timeouts. You can potentially sub for Pickett and Carey 4 times a game before TV timeouts, keep them well rested, and still get 36-38 minutes out of them. If Pickett and Carey are only playing 32 minutes per game it is because we are blowing so many teams out that they can sit down the stretch. With TV timeouts and proper game management fatigue is no longer a big factor except for with big men. When in the midst of a slump last year Pickett poured on 46 and 13 while playing 53 minutes and then came back two days later to put up 18 and 9 in 39 minutes. I don't care how much we up the tempo this year, the one thing I'm not worried about is Jalen being fatigued. You might be right. Hopefully we do have some big blowout wins and they don't have to play heavy minutes. It's a long season. Of course in a big game no question Jalen could go 37 or 38 minutes but him averaging that many minutes every game I don't see it. That's why it's an "average" he'll have some at 35/36/37 and some at 25/26/27. I guess it depends how much we up the tempo. Carm has said it doesn't make sense to play too fast if it's not effective. We'll be faster the question is how fast? If it's in the top 150 you aren't going to see anyone averaging over 33 minutes. Pickett only played less than 30 mins once last year. McGill averaged 37.2 mpg to Pickett's 37.1 last year and Iona plays much faster. Like I said, if I'm the coach, I design the whole tempo around how Pickett is feeling. If he can play 40 mpg at 350th tempo, but only 25 mpg at 50th tempo...well then I just made a coaching mistake because I just devalued the best player in the league by playing too fast. People need to remember: He's not only our best and most efficient creator, but he's our best shotblocker, our best ballhawk, one of our best rebounders, one of our best scorers, and one of our best position defenders. The more minutes you go without all that on the floor, the worse off the team is vs. the competition. The more you're able to emphasize Pickett, the better off Siena will be.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 8, 2019 22:27:03 GMT -5
You might be right. Hopefully we do have some big blowout wins and they don't have to play heavy minutes. It's a long season. Of course in a big game no question Jalen could go 37 or 38 minutes but him averaging that many minutes every game I don't see it. That's why it's an "average" he'll have some at 35/36/37 and some at 25/26/27. I guess it depends how much we up the tempo. Carm has said it doesn't make sense to play too fast if it's not effective. We'll be faster the question is how fast? If it's in the top 150 you aren't going to see anyone averaging over 33 minutes. Pickett only played less than 30 mins once last year. McGill averaged 37.2 mpg to Pickett's 37.1 last year and Iona plays much faster. Like I said, if I'm the coach, I design the whole tempo around how Pickett is feeling. If he can play 40 mpg at 350th tempo, but only 25 mpg at 50th tempo...well then I just made a coaching mistake because I just devalued the best player in the league by playing too fast. People need to remember: He's not only our best and most efficient creator, but he's our best shotblocker, our best ballhawk, one of our best rebounders, one of our best scorers, and one of our best position defenders. The more minutes you go without all that on the floor, the worse off the team is vs. the competition. The more you're able to emphasize Pickett, the better off Siena will be. Pickett was our all everything last year, yes. I don’t know that he needs to be that this year. Time will tell, but I believe we are a more talented team overall compared to last year. I think most would agree with this. I suspect that Jalen’s scoring could actually be lower this year, but that his assist and steal numbers could go up. He will have more defensive help with Carey, Harris and Burns than he had before, with all due respect to Kadeem. That additional defensive mayhem (sorry) should help create more steal opportunities for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 22:51:54 GMT -5
Pickett only played less than 30 mins once last year. McGill averaged 37.2 mpg to Pickett's 37.1 last year and Iona plays much faster. Like I said, if I'm the coach, I design the whole tempo around how Pickett is feeling. If he can play 40 mpg at 350th tempo, but only 25 mpg at 50th tempo...well then I just made a coaching mistake because I just devalued the best player in the league by playing too fast. People need to remember: He's not only our best and most efficient creator, but he's our best shotblocker, our best ballhawk, one of our best rebounders, one of our best scorers, and one of our best position defenders. The more minutes you go without all that on the floor, the worse off the team is vs. the competition. The more you're able to emphasize Pickett, the better off Siena will be. Pickett was our all everything last year, yes. I don’t know that he needs to be that this year. Time will tell, but I believe we are a more talented team overall compared to last year. I think most would agree with this. I suspect that Jalen’s scoring could actually be lower this year, but that his assist and steal numbers could go up. He will have more defensive help with Carey, Harris and Burns than he had before, with all due respect to Kadeem. That additional defensive mayhem (sorry) should help create more steal opportunities for everyone. Pickett's scoring is the least important part of his game for this team...and that's exactly the reason he needs to be on the floor as much as is prudent and possible.
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Post by Tony on Jul 9, 2019 3:25:01 GMT -5
The more I think about it—who knows..LOL.. Carm is saying he wants to sub both Jalen and Don at same time, and wants Jalen’s min down, but it is easy to say that in July, Carm has no track record. So we just don’t know. Fran used to say he wanted to play his bench more all the time and he always struggled to do that
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Post by siena77 on Jul 9, 2019 3:58:04 GMT -5
The more I think about it—who knows..LOL.. Carm is saying he wants to sub both Jalen and Don at same time, and wants Jalen’s min down, but it is easy to say that in July, Carm has no track record. So we just don’t know. Fran used to say he wanted to play his bench more all the time and he always struggled to do that Absolutely correct! It's all theoretical till the games start in November. Let's just enjoy the off-season chatter for now, knowing we're heading into what looks to be a very promising future after the Mitch-Jimmy Error. GO SAINTS!!
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