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Post by goldsaint17 on Oct 15, 2019 11:45:12 GMT -5
Err...if the FF visit is the 25th...something in the math doesn't work right. Or he’s just not visiting FF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 11:49:28 GMT -5
Err...if the FF visit is the 25th...something in the math doesn't work right. Or he’s just not visiting FF. That would be the logical conclusion to draw..considering how he already pushed them back before. Has to be between Siena and Bonnies. I'd say 40% chance it's Siena...60% chance it's Bonnies.
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Post by $cott on Oct 15, 2019 11:54:36 GMT -5
Or he’s just not visiting FF. That would be the logical conclusion to draw. Has to be between Siena and Bonnies. I'd say 40% chance it's Siena...60% chance it's Bonnies. We are bottom right on the graphic, not good, I'm going 75% Bonnies, 15% NJIT, 10% Siena. I think we would have landed this kid for sure without Carpenter but his presence on top of Pickett and Carey has to be a little daunting from a playing time perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:07:44 GMT -5
That would be the logical conclusion to draw. Has to be between Siena and Bonnies. I'd say 40% chance it's Siena...60% chance it's Bonnies. We are bottom right on the graphic, not good, I'm going 75% Bonnies, 15% NJIT, 10% Siena. I think we would have landed this kid for sure without Carpenter but his presence on top of Pickett and Carey has to be a little daunting from a playing time perspective. Or intriguing... You need more than 3 quality guards to get to the NCAAs. We don't really know what we have in anyone besides Pickett and Carey. Even if Carpenter is great...we still don't know that Gray wouldn't beat out Harris...or if Pickett will stay. If you want to get anywhere in college basketball, you need quality depth. Siena has lacked quality depth for a decade. If you saw some of those numbers I posted on MAAC board for last year in referring to what King has to replace, it's been horrible: Darwiche/Bayer/Huerter averaged: MINS = 502 MPG = 15.2 PPG = 1.4 RPG = 1.1 FG% = 21% 3pt% = 19.6% A/To = 26/31 Stls = 10 Blks = 3 Siena needs depth. If they get it in guys like Gray, they become a lot more dangerous.
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Post by $cott on Oct 15, 2019 12:17:39 GMT -5
We are bottom right on the graphic, not good, I'm going 75% Bonnies, 15% NJIT, 10% Siena. I think we would have landed this kid for sure without Carpenter but his presence on top of Pickett and Carey has to be a little daunting from a playing time perspective. Or intriguing... You need more than 3 quality guards to get to the NCAAs. We don't really know what we have in anyone besides Pickett and Carey. Even if Carpenter is great...we still don't know that Gray wouldn't beat out Harris...or if Pickett will stay. If you want to get anywhere in college basketball, you need quality depth. Siena has lacked quality depth for a decade. If you saw some of those numbers I posted on MAAC board for last year in referring to what King has to replace, it's been horrible: Darwiche/Bayer/Huerter averaged: MINS = 502 MPG = 15.2 PPG = 1.4 RPG = 1.1 FG% = 21% 3pt% = 19.6% A/To = 26/31 Stls = 10 Blks = 3 Siena needs depth. If they get it in guys like Gray, they become a lot more dangerous. 100% agree that Siena has a need for Gray, problem is Gray doesn't have a need for Siena, he can go other places with less competition for minutes, would be an amazing recruiting job to land this kid. Hopefully in a few years we will be able to start using the "we make the NCAA Tourney every year" angle to really draw in these kids. Right now we are just offering a good shot at making the NCAA which I am sure all our competition is pushing as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:25:06 GMT -5
Or intriguing... You need more than 3 quality guards to get to the NCAAs. We don't really know what we have in anyone besides Pickett and Carey. Even if Carpenter is great...we still don't know that Gray wouldn't beat out Harris...or if Pickett will stay. If you want to get anywhere in college basketball, you need quality depth. Siena has lacked quality depth for a decade. If you saw some of those numbers I posted on MAAC board for last year in referring to what King has to replace, it's been horrible: Darwiche/Bayer/Huerter averaged: MINS = 502 MPG = 15.2 PPG = 1.4 RPG = 1.1 FG% = 21% 3pt% = 19.6% A/To = 26/31 Stls = 10 Blks = 3 Siena needs depth. If they get it in guys like Gray, they become a lot more dangerous. 100% agree that Siena has a need for Gray, problem is Gray doesn't have a need for Siena, he can go other places with less competition for minutes, would be an amazing recruiting job to land this kid. Hopefully in a few years we will be able to start using the "we make the NCAA Tourney every year" angle to really draw in these kids. Right now we are just offering a good shot at making the NCAA which I am sure all our competition is pushing as well. In all fairness, how do you know what Gray does or does not have a need for?
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Post by $cott on Oct 15, 2019 12:28:00 GMT -5
100% agree that Siena has a need for Gray, problem is Gray doesn't have a need for Siena, he can go other places with less competition for minutes, would be an amazing recruiting job to land this kid. Hopefully in a few years we will be able to start using the "we make the NCAA Tourney every year" angle to really draw in these kids. Right now we are just offering a good shot at making the NCAA which I am sure all our competition is pushing as well. In all fairness, how do you know what Gray does or does not have a need for? Based on the fact that he just tweeted out 8 schools he can go to!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 12:40:42 GMT -5
In all fairness, how do you know what Gray does or does not have a need for? Based on the fact that he just tweeted out 8 schools he can go to!!! He has a final 4. And 1 of those he may not even be visiting now. Siena and NJIT have been on him the longest. NJIT only averages 650 in attendance a game and plays most of its games far away as they're in the Atlantic Sun. It would be tough for his family to see any away games if they wanted. However, he would be closer to NYC if that's what he wanted. Gray is from Montrose, New York. I'd have to imagine it's Siena vs. Bonnies. Siena has the longer relationship but Bonnies have the A-10 etc. Siena is also the closest school of those 2 being only 2 hours away from home as compared to 5 hours.
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Post by OneIndian on Oct 15, 2019 12:43:08 GMT -5
Or intriguing... You need more than 3 quality guards to get to the NCAAs. We don't really know what we have in anyone besides Pickett and Carey. Even if Carpenter is great...we still don't know that Gray wouldn't beat out Harris...or if Pickett will stay. If you want to get anywhere in college basketball, you need quality depth. Siena has lacked quality depth for a decade. If you saw some of those numbers I posted on MAAC board for last year in referring to what King has to replace, it's been horrible: Darwiche/Bayer/Huerter averaged: MINS = 502 MPG = 15.2 PPG = 1.4 RPG = 1.1 FG% = 21% 3pt% = 19.6% A/To = 26/31 Stls = 10 Blks = 3 Siena needs depth. If they get it in guys like Gray, they become a lot more dangerous. 100% agree that Siena has a need for Gray, problem is Gray doesn't have a need for Siena, he can go other places with less competition for minutes, would be an amazing recruiting job to land this kid. Hopefully in a few years we will be able to start using the "we make the NCAA Tourney every year" angle to really draw in these kids. Right now we are just offering a good shot at making the NCAA which I am sure all our competition is pushing as well. And SBU has a ton of minutes to give him? It’s not the minutes or the logo placement I’m worried about it’s the Putnam - Bonnie’s connection and what Gray’s handlers are telling him. What I’m banking on is the time and effort Carm/staff put in. Hope it pays off!
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Post by Tony on Oct 15, 2019 14:22:09 GMT -5
You guys are too funny; I don’t think Siena’s position on the graphic has any bearing on where Mekhi will go. In the end Mekhi will make the best decision for him. Hopefully the decision is Siena but if it’s not, well it’s not the end of the world. Worse things in recruiting than having an open ship for the spring. I have no idea what Mekhi is thinking, but looks like we shall find out next week!!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Oct 15, 2019 16:36:35 GMT -5
PSA relationship with Bonnie’s hurts us, as does the A-10 compared to the MAAC. Playing time is a push, location and fanbase is our advantage. I agree with KK. It’s a 2 team race and the Bonnie’s at 60% and us 40% sounds about right.
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Post by diamonddog on Oct 15, 2019 19:30:35 GMT -5
Kids who think they should play want minutes. Nobody wants to be a team player. Gray will go where he thinks he will play a lot.
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Post by dacks on Oct 15, 2019 19:39:07 GMT -5
We are neither the highest-level school on his list nor the one with the most playing time available. Siena's best shot is that he sees it as a compromise between those two ends and values some of our other characteristics like location and fan base enough to tip the scales. That being said, I see this as a 75 percent Bonnies advantage based on some of the social media things he's posted and just a general gut feeling. But, as Tony said, an open ship in the Spring is not a bad option. Either we get the player we want now, or we have the flexibility to go after a rising star like Harris in the Spring- win win as far as I'm concerned
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Post by Sienafan on Oct 15, 2019 20:26:26 GMT -5
Err...if the FF visit is the 25th...something in the math doesn't work right. I think Fairfield is already eliminated. He's ready to announce before even visiting them which means his mind is made up. I agree it's likely down to Siena or Bonaventure. Though if it's them you have to wonder why he didn't commit on the visit, which tells me they didn't close him and Siena's still in the game. The PSA connection and superior league is their advantage. Siena's is better location, facilities, and fanbase. They've also been consistently good lately and we haven't sniffed the NCAA tournament in a decade. Not sure how the playing situation compares. As someone who like Gray was raised in Westchester County, NY, I personally can't imagine spending 4 years in western NY - no offense to those who live there. But it's his highest offer, so... Man, that's gotta suck for FF. They've been stood up twice by this dude. Lol
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Post by rpize24 on Oct 15, 2019 22:51:04 GMT -5
Josh Ogundele's final 3 are Cincinnati, Rhode Island and Iowa. He also has Virginia Tech and Rutgers on his final list but never received an offer from either school
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