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Post by orange77 on Apr 20, 2018 12:12:57 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice. I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure. I would be very unenthusiastic about either of those two. |
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 20, 2018 12:24:40 GMT -5
A lot of upside is a stretch. Have to ask yourself if Fran didn’t make a call would Francis even get a sniff and I think GMac is probably a few years away from being due a HC gig. Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see a confirmed list. Im starting to wonder if this job has fallen off and is not attracting the higher profile up and comer or are we just going to try and cheap out! Both guys are young and excellent recruiters. Francis is doing all the recruiting for Iowa which has consistently landed top 50 classes in a tough place to recruit. GMac is young without a doubt and it would be risky, but from the people I have spoken to he has a bright future. If you monitor Cuse recruiting, you’ll see that Boeheim seems to really like him— they have him running point on several top targets including Joe Girard and a 5 star from the City Rocks named Isaiah Stewart. He also ran point on Quade Green from Philly who was a 5 star and went to Kentucky but if you read interviews, he LOVED GMac. He’d need a experienced staff but I think he’d have tje potential to do extremely well and recruit the crap out of the northeast. Boeheim’s kid is going to be a freshman at Cuse this year— my guess is he’s there 4 more years and then retires. Boeheim is probably trying to get GMac here to flip Siena quick, make an NCAA Tournament, and then take over for him. Iowa has been as high as 39 and as low as 79. And Syr as high as 8 and as low as 56 over the past 5 years. All relative to the Big 10 / ACC. You have to compare how they recruited/performed in comparison to their conference and how they performed. Based on performance both teams are marginal to meh within their respective conferences. IMO they are B list candidates (GMac with potential) when compared to say a Chris Caputo or John Becker (not sure either are interested). Can’t say I’m overly excited over either. Like I said earlier I’d like to see a confirmed list of interested candidates. I can get behind GMac if all else falls through... |
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Post by yankee on Apr 20, 2018 12:24:47 GMT -5
Becker would be a slam dunk great hire for Siena. No-one could argue that. Beilein was a huge risk.
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Post by siena70 on Apr 20, 2018 12:25:20 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice. I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure. I would be very unenthusiastic about either of those two. I just can't resist anyone saying Fr Kevin was a basketball man. When Siena was at its peak after Fran's three peat, he hires Mitch. This was absolutely the worst decision is Siena basketball history. Following that gaff up with the hire of JP proves that he was just an egomaniac who no one would challenge at Siena. Personally, I feel that he did more harm to Siena than good. |
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Post by saints22 on Apr 20, 2018 12:58:07 GMT -5
I would be very unenthusiastic about either of those two. I just can't resist anyone saying Fr Kevin was a basketball man. When Siena was at its peak after Fran's three peat, he hires Mitch. This was absolutely the worst decision is Siena basketball history. Following that gaff up with the hire of JP proves that he was just an egomaniac who no one would challenge at Siena. Personally, I feel that he did more harm to Siena than good. There you go again. Just can’t get over the Franciscan thing. Have you ever met or spent any time with Fr. Kevin? One thing he definitely is not is an egomaniac. Yes, he made two poor hiring decisions. Don’t know anything about why he hired Jimmy, but he hired Mitch because he liked the guy, had a friendly relationship with him, and because Mitch got several major contributors to the school with whom he was friendly to speak to Fr. Kevin on Mitch’s behalf. It was a “personal” decision, not a basketball decision. |
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Post by greenblood on Apr 20, 2018 13:02:54 GMT -5
I just can't resist anyone saying Fr Kevin was a basketball man. When Siena was at its peak after Fran's three peat, he hires Mitch. This was absolutely the worst decision is Siena basketball history. Following that gaff up with the hire of JP proves that he was just an egomaniac who no one would challenge at Siena. Personally, I feel that he did more harm to Siena than good. There you go again. Just can’t get over the Franciscan thing. Have you ever met or spent any time with Fr. Kevin? One thing he definitely is not is an egomaniac. Yes, he made two poor hiring decisions. Don’t know anything about why he hired Jimmy, but he hired Mitch because he liked the guy, had a friendly relationship with him, and because Mitch got several major contributors to the school with whom he was friendly to speak to Fr. Kevin on Mitch’s behalf. It was a “personal” decision, not a basketball decision. I agree with Saints22. I think Fr. Kevin felt that he was doing the right thing in both cases; Mitch for above and I wouldn't put it past him thinking that JP would do right and turn himself around at Siena. Just didn't happen and took too long to pull the plug. |
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Post by olddave on Apr 20, 2018 13:45:35 GMT -5
There you go again. Just can’t get over the Franciscan thing. Have you ever met or spent any time with Fr. Kevin? One thing he definitely is not is an egomaniac. Yes, he made two poor hiring decisions. Don’t know anything about why he hired Jimmy, but he hired Mitch because he liked the guy, had a friendly relationship with him, and because Mitch got several major contributors to the school with whom he was friendly to speak to Fr. Kevin on Mitch’s behalf. It was a “personal” decision, not a basketball decision. I agree with Saints22. I think Fr. Kevin felt that he was doing the right thing in both cases; Mitch for above and I wouldn't put it past him thinking that JP would do right and turn himself around at Siena. Just didn't happen and took too long to pull the plug. Having never met Fr. Kevin, being a priest I have the utmost respect. Believe he would be the first to say he is human and capable of making mistakes. Egomaniac, that’s a stretch, far one. You can judge him on some managerial decisions but people who have dealt with him have had nothing but kind words and respect. He had 2 bad hires, ok, move on and he should basically stay out of the next process. Besides sitting on the board he makes no day to day decisions at the school, to the best of my knowledge. As for the Franciscan thing, your wording, read the post. Poster never mentioned Franciscan. Agree he went overboard with egomaniac, but otherwise respectful. We all know what opinions are like everybody has one. I am Father would disagree with the egomaniac terminology but otherwise just pass on the balance of post. |
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Post by greengold4ever on Apr 20, 2018 14:23:36 GMT -5
I just can't resist anyone saying Fr Kevin was a basketball man. When Siena was at its peak after Fran's three peat, he hires Mitch. This was absolutely the worst decision is Siena basketball history. Following that gaff up with the hire of JP proves that he was just an egomaniac who no one would challenge at Siena. Personally, I feel that he did more harm to Siena than good. There you go again. Just can’t get over the Franciscan thing. Have you ever met or spent any time with Fr. Kevin? One thing he definitely is not is an egomaniac. Yes, he made two poor hiring decisions. Don’t know anything about why he hired Jimmy, but he hired Mitch because he liked the guy, had a friendly relationship with him, and because Mitch got several major contributors to the school with whom he was friendly to speak to Fr. Kevin on Mitch’s behalf. It was a “personal” decision, not a basketball decision. well, just to add here..................it was somewhat basketball related.............Fr. Kevin understood that Mitch was Fran's right hand man, and had a huge part in the great success of that championship run, plus the players were pulling for Mitch to make the transition seamless..............on the surface, and this will get folks out of the woodwork here, you had to at least understand why he made that decision, it was understandable at that point in time............but as we know things went south yet they knew enough to pull the plug after only 3 yrs..................the Patsos hire is one I could never come to grips with right from the start, didn't like him at Loyola-MD, certainly didn't want him roaming our sidelines....but he is gone now and we have to hopeful the next choice gets us back to top sooner rather than later......... |
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Post by saints22 on Apr 20, 2018 15:31:15 GMT -5
I agree with Saints22. I think Fr. Kevin felt that he was doing the right thing in both cases; Mitch for above and I wouldn't put it past him thinking that JP would do right and turn himself around at Siena. Just didn't happen and took too long to pull the plug. Having never met Fr. Kevin, being a priest I have the utmost respect. Believe he would be the first to say he is human and capable of making mistakes. Egomaniac, that’s a stretch, far one. You can judge him on some managerial decisions but people who have dealt with him have had nothing but kind words and respect. He had 2 bad hires, ok, move on and he should basically stay out of the next process. Besides sitting on the board he makes no day to day decisions at the school, to the best of my knowledge. As for the Franciscan thing, your wording, read the post. Poster never mentioned Franciscan. Agree he went overboard with egomaniac, but otherwise respectful. We all know what opinions are like everybody has one. I am Father would disagree with the egomaniac terminology but otherwise just pass on the balance of post. Dave......Siena70 has posted numerous times about his intense dislike for Franciscans. No idea what the cause of the dislike is, but he has been consistent in voicing it. That’s what I was referring to. |
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Post by olddave on Apr 20, 2018 18:53:31 GMT -5
Having never met Fr. Kevin, being a priest I have the utmost respect. Believe he would be the first to say he is human and capable of making mistakes. Egomaniac, that’s a stretch, far one. You can judge him on some managerial decisions but people who have dealt with him have had nothing but kind words and respect. He had 2 bad hires, ok, move on and he should basically stay out of the next process. Besides sitting on the board he makes no day to day decisions at the school, to the best of my knowledge. As for the Franciscan thing, your wording, read the post. Poster never mentioned Franciscan. Agree he went overboard with egomaniac, but otherwise respectful. We all know what opinions are like everybody has one. I am Father would disagree with the egomaniac terminology but otherwise just pass on the balance of post. Dave......Siena70 has posted numerous times about his intense dislike for Franciscans. No idea what the cause of the dislike is, but he has been consistent in voicing it. That’s what I was referring to. S22 only commented because I didn’t see a comment regarding Franciscans. Obviously a pissing contest between the two of you, let the two of you settle it. Was taught by Franciscan for 12 years,, had my run in with them at time,, but always respected them. Was fortunate enough to become friends with the right one while at Siena who helped mold and shape my future. Peace friend. |
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Post by legacy on Apr 20, 2018 18:56:34 GMT -5
Dave......Siena70 has posted numerous times about his intense dislike for Franciscans. No idea what the cause of the dislike is, but he has been consistent in voicing it. That’s what I was referring to. S22 only commented because I didn’t see a comment regarding Franciscans. Obviously a pissing contest between the two of you, let the two of you settle it. Was taught by Franciscan for 12 years,, had my run in with them at time,, but always respected them. Was fortunate enough to become friends with the right one while at Siena who helped mold and shape my future. Peace friend. |
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Post by legacy on Apr 20, 2018 19:04:08 GMT -5
truthfully the Franciscans i had the privilege of learning from at Siena were all class acts (no pun intended). Of all the hundreds of teachers Ive come across ,They were among the most intelligent, passionate, erudite, patient teachers who were surprisingly compassionate and open minded. - Father Kevin included. He was especially progressive in his thinking and principles-(one of my most fond memories is Father Kevin giving the benediction in a room behind the bar in the hotel in Dayton before the Ohio State game-standing room only!)I loved having them as professors and tried to emulate some of their teaching techniques during my 30 plus year career as a high school teacher.
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