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Post by Tony on Apr 20, 2018 3:44:19 GMT -5
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Post by olddave on Apr 20, 2018 5:38:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the article Tony. Leads to more speculation innuendo and conjecture unfortunately. Be great reading on the board now.
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Post by Quackman on Apr 20, 2018 7:23:21 GMT -5
Good article from Kelly.
Just let the process play out. There really is no rush, the signing period is, for all intents and purposes over. There will still be good, unsigned guys available during the summer. I don't care how long it takes as long as they pick the right guy to lead the program.
And, for those who have forgotten, even the "right" hires were questioned when they were brought it in: lest us not forget the "Hewitt, as in blew it" or (with all due respect) Tony's ill-fated posts on .500 Fran.
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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2018 10:43:26 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice.
I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 20, 2018 11:09:51 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice. I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure. A lot of upside is a stretch. Have to ask yourself if Fran didn’t make a call would Francis even get a sniff and I think GMac is probably a few years away from being due a HC gig. Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see a confirmed list. Im starting to wonder if this job has fallen off and is not attracting the higher profile up and comer or are we just going to try and cheap out!
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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2018 11:15:19 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice. I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure. A lot of upside is a stretch. Have to ask yourself if Fran didn’t make a call would Francis even get a sniff and I think GMac is probably a few years away from being due a HC gig. Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see a confirmed list. I wonder if this job has fallen off and is not attracting the higher profile up and comer or a we just gonna trying and cheap out! I don't think Siena is cheapening out... JP was pulling in some serious money. Just was a terrible choice. And Siena saved a lot of him by him only getting one year's pay to go away. If I'm Siena I'm calling Becker and offering him 6 years at $600K a year. Siena can't screw this up and he has little risk. Proven winner at Vermont and has eaten our lunch on the recruiting trail. Imagine what he could go with the TUC and Siena' facilities? Got to spend money to make money!
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Post by marshotel on Apr 20, 2018 11:28:54 GMT -5
I'm sure a head coaching canidate looks at the incidentals too and not just their salary. Asst. salary, travel and recruiting budgets among other things. Some coaches may turn away a potential job, knowing they can't operate the program the way they want if the school is on a low budget in these other areas.
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Post by glen on Apr 20, 2018 11:32:36 GMT -5
6 years at $600K for Becker? He's done exactly zero here. How many "up" games has he won at UVM? You're awfully quick to spend other people's money. Sure he beat Jimmy out for recruits but pretty much everyone has. Big deal. "Imagine what he could do with the TUC and Siena's facilities" - isn't that how we got Jimmy?
I'm all for compensating a good coach but let's have him be successful before we throw millions at him. How about $350 with $700K if he get's us back to Fran-level?
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Post by clickclack on Apr 20, 2018 11:33:14 GMT -5
A lot of upside is a stretch. Have to ask yourself if Fran didn’t make a call would Francis even get a sniff and I think GMac is probably a few years away from being due a HC gig. Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see a confirmed list. I wonder if this job has fallen off and is not attracting the higher profile up and comer or a we just gonna trying and cheap out! I don't think Siena is cheapening out... JP was pulling in some serious money. Just was a terrible choice. And Siena saved a lot of him by him only getting one year's pay to go away. If I'm Siena I'm calling Becker and offering him 6 years at $600K a year. Siena can't screw this up and he has little risk. Proven winner at Vermont and has eaten our lunch on the recruiting trail. Imagine what he could go with the TUC and Siena' facilities? Got to spend money to make money! That's the kind of money I think that would get Becker to seriously listen.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 20, 2018 11:34:57 GMT -5
6 years at $600K for Becker? He's done exactly zero here. How many "up" games has he won at UVM? You're awfully quick to spend other people's money. Sure he beat Jimmy out for recruits but pretty much everyone has. Big deal. "Imagine what he could do with the TUC and Siena's facilities" - isn't that how we got Jimmy? I'm all for compensating a good coach but let's have him be successful before we throw millions at him. How about $350 with $700K if he get's us back to Fran-level? Why on earth would a dude who's base right now is 300k and who's making close to 350 or 400 come to Siena for a lateral move? You are going to have to spend a lot more than that to get him to move. Guy will have a good team again next year, if he dances...he's going to be hot.
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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2018 11:37:02 GMT -5
I don't think Siena is cheapening out... JP was pulling in some serious money. Just was a terrible choice. And Siena saved a lot of him by him only getting one year's pay to go away. If I'm Siena I'm calling Becker and offering him 6 years at $600K a year. Siena can't screw this up and he has little risk. Proven winner at Vermont and has eaten our lunch on the recruiting trail. Imagine what he could go with the TUC and Siena' facilities? Got to spend money to make money! That's the kind of money I think that would get Becker to seriously listen. Only downside for Becker is he would only get to beat UAlbany once a year (if we play) instead of twice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 11:41:36 GMT -5
6 years at $600K for Becker? He's done exactly zero here. How many "up" games has he won at UVM? You're awfully quick to spend other people's money. Sure he beat Jimmy out for recruits but pretty much everyone has. Big deal. "Imagine what he could do with the TUC and Siena's facilities" - isn't that how we got Jimmy? I'm all for compensating a good coach but let's have him be successful before we throw millions at him. How about $350 with $700K if he get's us back to Fran-level? Becker would probably be worth 600k a year. Maybe not 6 years, but 4 or 5.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 20, 2018 11:42:00 GMT -5
It was reported that D'Arg did not want Mitch or Jimmy but rather Father Kevin made the final decision to hire them. D'Arg's main issue was the ridiculous contracts and extension to JP that he gave out. My question is who is calling the final shot on his hire? I doubt it is Brother Ed as he is not a basketball man like Father Kevin is. I'm hoping it is a small group of basketball people that selected Fran 13 years ago. If that's the case I'll feel more confident in the choice. I have no inside information but via process of elimination and just a hunch I think we end up with Gerry McNamara or Andrew Francis. I wouldn't love it and there would be a lot of risk but a lot of upside too. It certainly would not be anything like the last two hires that's for sure. A lot of upside is a stretch. Have to ask yourself if Fran didn’t make a call would Francis even get a sniff and I think GMac is probably a few years away from being due a HC gig. Just my 2 cents. Can’t wait to see a confirmed list. Im starting to wonder if this job has fallen off and is not attracting the higher profile up and comer or are we just going to try and cheap out! Both guys are young and excellent recruiters. Francis is doing all the recruiting for Iowa which has consistently landed top 50 classes in a tough place to recruit. GMac is young without a doubt and it would be risky, but from the people I have spoken to he has a bright future. If you monitor Cuse recruiting, you’ll see that Boeheim seems to really like him— they have him running point on several top targets including Joe Girard and a 5 star from the City Rocks named Isaiah Stewart. He also ran point on Quade Green from Philly who was a 5 star and went to Kentucky but if you read interviews, he LOVED GMac. He’d need a experienced staff but I think he’d have tje potential to do extremely well and recruit the crap out of the northeast. Boeheim’s kid is going to be a freshman at Cuse this year— my guess is he’s there 4 more years and then retires. Boeheim is probably trying to get GMac here to flip Siena quick, make an NCAA Tournament, and then take over for him.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 20, 2018 11:49:01 GMT -5
Firing jimmy was only half the equation. If we can’t afford to hire a successful coach we have nothing.
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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2018 12:03:58 GMT -5
Firing jimmy was only half the equation. If we can’t afford to hire a successful coach we have nothing. It's getting the right coach. Becker you'd have to pay for. Beilein, who a lot really like, could be had for cheap. But if he screwed himself over with Watson do you really want him? I question his judgement IF that is accurate.
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