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Post by great10110 on Apr 20, 2018 2:26:36 GMT -5
Just to ask the question about Jordan Watson - first of all none of us really know for sure that he was the source of the leaks. Question is this: is it possible that someone at Siena asked Watson to be the good soldier to spill some information to put pressure on JP as JP was fighting resigning and wanted a three year buy out? If that is possible, was Watson working for the college's own good? Just askin' Doesn’t make sense for Watson since if Patsos is gone, he’s out of a job.
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Post by indian82 on Apr 20, 2018 3:07:02 GMT -5
Just to ask the question about Jordan Watson - first of all none of us really know for sure that he was the source of the leaks. Question is this: is it possible that someone at Siena asked Watson to be the good soldier to spill some information to put pressure on JP as JP was fighting resigning and wanted a three year buy out? If that is possible, was Watson working for the college's own good? Just askin' Doesn’t make sense for Watson since if Patsos is gone, he’s out of a job. But the reasoning is that Beilein is his friend and would retain him if he gets hired.
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Post by gorvy on Apr 20, 2018 5:09:54 GMT -5
Just to ask the question about Jordan Watson - first of all none of us really know for sure that he was the source of the leaks. Question is this: is it possible that someone at Siena asked Watson to be the good soldier to spill some information to put pressure on JP as JP was fighting resigning and wanted a three year buy out? If that is possible, was Watson working for the college's own good? Just askin' Better question — are all the assistants on vacation right now as the “investigation” continues, or is any work getting done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 5:16:36 GMT -5
Doesn’t make sense for Watson since if Patsos is gone, he’s out of a job. But the reasoning is that Beilein is his friend and would retain him if he gets hired. That thought process just doesn't pass the smell test - one question remains - when the various "things" happened, who witnessed them, and who, if anyone, reported them up the chain to JD or someone else. If JW was aware of one or more of the events and remained silent, I see him as being a little bit pregnant too and his remaining on staff would be a non-starter, JMO! If my memory serves me correctly, the 60 Minutes-like leaker tape was shown well after the manager had come forward and, I assume a lot of player/staff interviews would have already been held. My guess - the leaker was someone very close to the Program who had picked up on or witnessed some/all of the incidents and was growing concerned/impatient with the slow pace of action on the part of the Administration. If the JW leak was about the perceived hiring of Beilein, I don't understand what he hoped putting it out in the public venue would buy him. Keeping it quiet would have made more sense. Leaking something to increase pressure on Siena to make the hire seems weak. Remaining silent would have made much more sense as there would be zero risk that the leaker's identity would become public.
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Post by yankee on Apr 20, 2018 5:34:40 GMT -5
Wyland may have opened himself to lawsuit. If Watson didntvdo this, severe harm has come to his future coaching aspirations.
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Post by indian82 on Apr 20, 2018 5:50:22 GMT -5
But the reasoning is that Beilein is his friend and would retain him if he gets hired. That thought process just doesn't pass the smell test - one question remains - when the various "things" happened, who witnessed them, and who, if anyone, reported them up the chain to JD or someone else. If JW was aware of one or more of the events and remained silent, I see him as being a little bit pregnant too and his remaining on staff would be a non-starter, JMO! If my memory serves me correctly, the 60 Minutes-like leaker tape was shown well after the manager had come forward and, I assume a lot of player/staff interviews would have already been held. My guess - the leaker was someone very close to the Program who had picked up on or witnessed some/all of the incidents and was growing concerned/impatient with the slow pace of action on the part of the Administration. If the JW leak was about the perceived hiring of Beilein, I don't understand what he hoped putting it out in the public venue would buy him. Keeping it quiet would have made more sense. Leaking something to increase pressure on Siena to make the hire seems weak. Remaining silent would have made much more sense as there would be zero risk that the leaker's identity would become public. All good points. This is just so damn complicated and convoluted! At this point, I am so tired of all the speculations, who leaked what, etc, etc. I am going to sit back and just let it all play out. My opinion means nothing any way. Just hope and pray for the best coach to get selected and get back on track. But still think we need more housecleaning.
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Post by indian82 on Apr 20, 2018 5:51:15 GMT -5
Wyland may have opened himself to lawsuit. If Watson didntvdo this, severe harm has come to his future coaching aspirations. Yeah. I don't get it.
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Post by great10110 on Apr 20, 2018 8:24:46 GMT -5
Wyland may have opened himself to lawsuit. If Watson didntvdo this, severe harm has come to his future coaching aspirations. Yeah. I don't get it. I am sure he wishes he didn’t mention a name and just kept it as an “assistant coach” is the one who was leaking info per his source. I am sure Rodgers source is Kelly O’Donnell who was at channel 6 and now works for the college. Not that hard to follow where Rodger gets his Siena info from since he’s not well liked on campus.
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Post by $cott on Apr 20, 2018 8:33:46 GMT -5
But the reasoning is that Beilein is his friend and would retain him if he gets hired. That thought process just doesn't pass the smell test - one question remains - when the various "things" happened, who witnessed them, and who, if anyone, reported them up the chain to JD or someone else. If JW was aware of one or more of the events and remained silent, I see him as being a little bit pregnant too and his remaining on staff would be a non-starter, JMO! If my memory serves me correctly, the 60 Minutes-like leaker tape was shown well after the manager had come forward and, I assume a lot of player/staff interviews would have already been held. My guess - the leaker was someone very close to the Program who had picked up on or witnessed some/all of the incidents and was growing concerned/impatient with the slow pace of action on the part of the Administration. If the JW leak was about the perceived hiring of Beilein, I don't understand what he hoped putting it out in the public venue would buy him. Keeping it quiet would have made more sense. Leaking something to increase pressure on Siena to make the hire seems weak. Remaining silent would have made much more sense as there would be zero risk that the leaker's identity would become public. Yeah, it doesn't make a ton of sense. Another plausible scenario would have been that during the initial investigation Jordan came completely clean and told them everything he knew. He assumed that would be enough to get Jimmy canned and he would have the goodwill from the school for coming clean and be retained under the new coaching staff especially if Beilein was the next coach. Then he watched as six weeks passed, nothing happened, and may have heard rumors that Jimmy might be back and Jimmy knew that he was the one who spilled the beans on everything. At that point he panicked and tried to force Siena's hand anonymously. Putting all the logic together is tough but I can certainly buy into potential scenarios where Jordan was the leaker. What I can't buy into is how Beilein could have been dumb enough to be involved in any sort of coordinated actions with Jordan that would have got himself removed as a candidate for the Siena job. That part sounds more like a Wyland wish than what is actually happening. I guess we will wait and see, the longer the school takes the longer this sort of speculating is going to continue. Time to act is now, at least name some candidates publicly today, give people something else to talk about this weekend.
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Post by blockhead43 on Apr 20, 2018 9:17:49 GMT -5
Wyland may have opened himself to lawsuit. If Watson didntvdo this, severe harm has come to his future coaching aspirations. For Wyland to name or call out the assistant coach, his source or, hopefully sources on this matter, had to be correct. Wyland doesn't care that he burned Watson, who supposedly was leaking to other media outlets, namely Ch. 10, but not Channel 13. He was also probably pissed that the school was leaking info to the TU as it attempted to force Patsos to resign. It is more than coincidental that these stories about improper conduct broke all at once. Once the school decided it wanted a new coach all of Patsos' warts were leaked through intermediaries in an attempt to force Pastos to resign because the school did not want to have to come up with $1 million to settle the contract. The school couldn't afford the complete buyout, so it attempted to embarrass and dirty-up Patsos to force him to resign and accept roughly one-third of what he was owed. As far as Wyland being ethical, yeah right. His career for the past two decades has been a conflict of interest. He's paid by a local media company to cover local sports, but is also allowed to be a paid employee of one of the college's he covers. How this has been allowed for so long boggles my mind. Ch. 13 must overlook the conflict because of the scoops he's provided by UAlbany. Talk about being desperate! Such is life in SmAlbany, where Siena plays its home games in a building where the largest paper in the area has naming rights. The TU is complicit and looks the other way, too, when it comes to this matter. It gives Wyland space everyday in its sports section. Wyland working for Ch. 13 and being a paid employee of UAlbany would be like Warner Wolfe working for CBS-New York and being on the Yankees payroll. It would never happen in New York. It should not happen in Albany.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 20, 2018 9:27:25 GMT -5
Wyland may have opened himself to lawsuit. If Watson didntvdo this, severe harm has come to his future coaching aspirations. For Wyland to name or call out the assistant coach, his source or, hopefully sources on this matter, had to be correct. Wyland doesn't care that he burned Watson, who supposedly was leaking to other media outlets, namely Ch. 10, but not Channel 13. He was also probably pissed that the school was leaking info to the TU as it attempted to force Patsos to resign. It is more than coincidental that these stories about improper conduct broke all at once. Once the school decided it wanted a new coach all of Patsos' warts were leaked through intermediaries in an attempt to force Pastos to resign because the school did not want to have to come up with $1 million to settle the contract. The school couldn't afford the complete buyout, so it attempted to embarrass and dirty-up Patsos to force him to resign and accept roughly one-third of what he was owed. As far as Wyland being ethical, yeah right. His career for the past two decades has been a conflict of interest. He's paid by a local media company to cover local sports, but is also allowed to be a paid employee of one of the college's he covers. How this has been allowed for so long boggles my mind. Ch. 13 must overlook the conflict because of the scoops he's provided by UAlbany. Talk about being desperate! Such is life in SmAlbany, where Siena plays its home games in a building where the largest paper in the area has naming rights. The TU is complicit and looks the other way, too, when it comes to this matter. It gives Wyland space everyday in its sports section. Wyland working for Ch. 13 and being a paid employee of UAlbany would be like Warner Wolfe working for CBS-New York and being on the Yankees payroll. It would never happen in New York. It should not happen in Albany. Ethical media .. good one!😉
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Post by saints22 on Apr 20, 2018 13:08:52 GMT -5
I am sure he wishes he didn’t mention a name and just kept it as an “assistant coach” is the one who was leaking info per his source. I am sure Rodgers source is Kelly O’Donnell who was at channel 6 and now works for the college. Not that hard to follow where Rodger gets his Siena info from since he’s not well liked on campus. Why would you say Kelly O’Donnell was giving information to Rodger Wyland? I seriously doubt that is true. Kelly has worked at Siena for only about two years, and he doesn’t work in Athletics. If he did what you suggest, and was found to have done it, he would likely be looking for another job very quickly. Why would he take that chance? From my few interactions with Kelly, he strikes me as a sincere, honest, earnest person. I’d be very surprised if he’s leaking anything to anyone.
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Post by great10110 on Apr 20, 2018 13:14:55 GMT -5
I am sure he wishes he didn’t mention a name and just kept it as an “assistant coach” is the one who was leaking info per his source. I am sure Rodgers source is Kelly O’Donnell who was at channel 6 and now works for the college. Not that hard to follow where Rodger gets his Siena info from since he’s not well liked on campus. Why would you say Kelly O’Donnell was giving information to Rodger Wyland? I seriously doubt that is true. Kelly has worked at Siena for only about two years, and he doesn’t work in Athletics. If he did what you suggest, and was found to have done it, he would likely be looking for another job very quickly. Why would he take that chance? From my few interactions with Kelly, he strikes me as a sincere, honest, earnest person. I’d be very surprised if he’s leaking anything to anyone. Who else is going to be his source? His source wasn’t Watson as he said he was told it was a Watson who was giving the leaks. Media guys help each other out. What you are saying goes for any employee of the college as his source has to be at the college. I’m not saying she’s a bad person, just that he could be the source
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 20, 2018 14:51:49 GMT -5
I haven't seen any denial responses from Watson?!
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Post by MTS on Apr 20, 2018 14:55:34 GMT -5
I haven't seen any denial responses from Watson?! Here's a question why are Watson, Manning and Durr still employed at Siena College?
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