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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 30, 2018 18:12:21 GMT -5
Kids are smart enough and worked hard to graduate in 3 years all while playing D1 ball ... that’s an accomplishment! Too bad for UA I can see fans being upset but I don’t begrudge the kids for wanting to play up, test their ability and possibly have a crack at the tournament..it’s their last shot! Good for them... Agree with 1I, why are we bashing kids that graduate in 3years and compete on the D1 level. They should be applauded for such accomplishment. On th other hand staff didn’t see this coming? That’s what reports make it sound like. Just wish the two of them good luck. I would hold my applause until I hear he was up front about this with Brown beginning of season so that UA could have recruited appropriately ... if not he basically screwed the program by hiding his agenda
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 30, 2018 18:21:16 GMT -5
Good point. ^^^^^^^ We have some smart people on this site.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 30, 2018 19:23:09 GMT -5
Agree with 1I, why are we bashing kids that graduate in 3years and compete on the D1 level. They should be applauded for such accomplishment. On th other hand staff didn’t see this coming? That’s what reports make it sound like. Just wish the two of them good luck. I would hold my applause until I hear he was up front about this with Brown beginning of season so that UA could have recruited appropriately ... if not he basically screwed the program by hiding his agenda That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. He’s doing what he feels he needs to do...regret is a tough pill to swallow. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier.
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Post by clickclack on Mar 30, 2018 19:28:19 GMT -5
I would hold my applause until I hear he was up front about this with Brown beginning of season so that UA could have recruited appropriately ... if not he basically screwed the program by hiding his agenda That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier. If you look at nichols saying essentially that it was a mutual decision to part way... Cremo probably looked at what's left.. Him, offensively challenged Campbell and 5 freshman and said wow... I have no shot to dance. So he bounced...
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Post by gorvy on Mar 30, 2018 19:33:57 GMT -5
I guess if coaches can rip players schollies away on a whim then overachieving players can give the finger too. It’s anarchy out there. Why do we sign mediocre coaches to 5 year contracts again? Oh wait that’s a different topic.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 30, 2018 19:57:50 GMT -5
I would hold my applause until I hear he was up front about this with Brown beginning of season so that UA could have recruited appropriately ... if not he basically screwed the program by hiding his agenda That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. He’s doing what he feels he needs to do...regret is a tough pill to swallow. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier. Well if Cremo gets a pass ... then we should give Nico one too ... each took a different path to reach the same conclusion ... gotta do what’s best for me not my team
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 30, 2018 20:04:36 GMT -5
Kids are smart enough and worked hard to graduate in 3 years all while playing D1 ball ... that’s an accomplishment! Too bad for UA I can see fans being upset but I don’t begrudge the kids for wanting to play up, test their ability and possibly have a crack at the tournament..it’s their last shot! Good for them... Agree with 1I, why are we bashing kids that graduate in 3years and compete on the D1 level. They should be applauded for such accomplishment. On th other hand staff didn’t see this coming? That’s what reports make it sound like. Just wish the two of them good luck. Who's bashing them? That's a great accomplishment. I hope they make their dreams come true eisewhere. Funny though, something tells me if this happened at Siena, our head coach would get CRUCIFIED out here. Not one word on Brown, on/or he has something to do with 4 departures in 24 hours?!?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 30, 2018 20:06:05 GMT -5
That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. He’s doing what he feels he needs to do...regret is a tough pill to swallow. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier. Well if Cremo gets a pass ... then we should give Nico one too ... each took a different path to reach the same conclusion ... gotta do what’s best for me not my team If you buy that Nico bailing was his entirely his own choice ... sure. Unfortunately with Nico there were many factors. I don’t know about giving him (Cremo) a “pass” but I definitely understand where he’s coming from ... end of story.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 30, 2018 20:08:45 GMT -5
That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. He’s doing what he feels he needs to do...regret is a tough pill to swallow. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier. Well if Cremo gets a pass ... then we should give Nico one too ... each took a different path to reach the same conclusion ... gotta do what’s best for me not my team While they may currently on the same path, they got their different ways. The two kids are nothing alike. Amazing how no one even presents the topic he might not have gotten along with the HC? Guess that only happens here 😜👍
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 30, 2018 20:14:59 GMT -5
Brown and Patsos both have transfer issues neither are great.
HOWEVER.....
If you want to make a comparison look how Brown .660 has continually won and Patsos .450 has continually failed with the same transfer rate.
Someone is out recruiting and finding successful replacements where the other is evidently not ...just look at head to head competition. Who owns who?
It’s not about getting a “pass” it’s about overcoming adversity and being successful at your job!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 30, 2018 23:28:33 GMT -5
Brown and Patsos both have transfer issues neither are great. HOWEVER..... If you want to make a comparison look how Brown .660 has continually won and Patsos .450 has continually failed with the same transfer rate. Someone is out recruiting and finding successful replacements where the other is evidently not ...just look at head to head competition. Who owns who? It’s not about getting a “pass” it’s about overcoming adversity and being successful at your job! Stop padding Browns numbers with that 90-10 bull$hit at Sullivan CC. That "incredible job" got him the DOBO spot (4th assistant) at a brand new D-1 school! And HALF his roster at UA are JCs, which we don't take. HUGE advantage.
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Post by greenblood on Mar 31, 2018 4:33:20 GMT -5
Look, we can argue this until blue in the face. The root issue for all of us, no matter whether we support or have disdain for any other college bball team is that our beloved Siena Saints have fallen into an abyss of irrelevance as a D-1 program. Sweeping changes are needed to turn this around if that is the intent of the College. But, without those changes, athletically and academically, I think what we all fear the most is that this appearance of a lessai faire approach to lead the most visible, best supported collegiate program in the Capital District is that the institution will become just as irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 5:27:42 GMT -5
That’s a valid point however overly simplistic. It assumes he knew at the beginning of the season and pulled a fast one. I don’t think so....as a player he’s now closing in on the end if his NCAA career and he has more of his career in the rear view mirror then what’s left in front of him and I think for some things start to look a lot different. Goals, questions, aspirations....did I make the right decisions? Look Cremo stated pretty clearly in the TU article..... "This was not a one-day decision," Cremo said. "After the season ended, I put a lot of thought into it and talked to a lot of people in my corner. We felt this was the right thing to do." Do I think he set out to screw UA with a hidden agenda? No. I think he was in the position to graduate & decided he wanted to see what else he could accomplish with the time he has left. He’s doing what he feels he needs to do...regret is a tough pill to swallow. Does it leave UA in a bad way, could it be considered selfish? Yes, but I don’t think this was something he set out to do at the start of the year or earlier. Well if Cremo gets a pass ... then we should give Nico one too ... each took a different path to reach the same conclusion ... gotta do what’s best for me not my team I’m not really sure how you can compare the two situations. They are polar opposites, one guy does the work and graduates in 3 the other quits his team 2 years in a row, the only similarity is that neither will be with their team next year. Kudos to Cremo and I hope Nico finds a better fit.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 31, 2018 5:37:43 GMT -5
Everyone is missing my point - when I played sports it was always team FIRST - new era.
Remember.the Kojo drama ...
Last spring, after averaging 16.6 points a game, Mensah again had the urge to leave Siena, which is located in Loudonville, N.Y., near Albany. He was tired of playing in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference with little television exposure. He wanted to set himself on what he thought might be a clearer path to the N.B.A. draft. He told his coach, and he got the lecture he expected.
NCAA dream - good transfer NBA dream - bad transfer
Life is not always sic black or white or is it.
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Post by olddave on Mar 31, 2018 5:46:19 GMT -5
Brown and Patsos both have transfer issues neither are great. HOWEVER..... If you want to make a comparison look how Brown .660 has continually won and Patsos .450 has continually failed with the same transfer rate. Someone is out recruiting and finding successful replacements where the other is evidently not ...just look at head to head competition. Who owns who? It’s not about getting a “pass” it’s about overcoming adversity and being successful at your job! Stop padding Browns numbers with that 90-10 bull$hit at Sullivan CC. That "incredible job" got him the DOBO spot (4th assistant) at a brand new D-1 school! And HALF his roster at UA are JCs, which we don't take. HUGE advantage. And your point, whose fault is it we don’t try to take transfers JC, again want to compete than compete, times change change with them
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